Microsoft Tweaks Windows Explorer for Windows 8

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Personally, I wish they would go back to the dual-drive capable "dos shell" file manager they had in DOS 4.0. You could copy between drives or folders without having two windows open, or having to take your focus off the source folder and move it to the destination folder. IMHO, all subsequent M$ file managers have been much less than optimal when they removed this aspect of the dos shell file manager.

IMHO, M$ often de-features it's software but manages to convince users the removal of those very useful features actually makes the package better. 🙁
 


Total Commander for you. Me, I'm waaaay faster with multiple windows.
 
Problem is there are people who like ribbon, who like the Metro UI and like the classic interface.

Having ribbon in W8 is not "instead of" it is "as well as", you pick which one you prefer, surely free choice is the great communicator?
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Before anyone says "I hate ribbon", simple answer is DONT USE IT, whilst you are at it go back to using DOS.[/citation]
I have, its call PowerShell now :)
 
[citation][nom]Randomacts[/nom]I hope that can be turned off.[/citation]

I hope not. I hate having to say things to users like "Click the copy button on top of the screen, but if it isn't there, then...". Everything should be the same. I'm sure it can be hidden just like in office, so you can see more stuff on the screen at once.

[citation][nom]msgun98[/nom]The ribbon is microsoft's failed attempt at making a palette system more accessible. Don't make it the most prominent feature in Windows Explorer![/citation]

I actually think the ribbon makes much more sense in the Explorer UI than in Office. It didn't bother me as much in Office as it does others, but since you don't really need to customize the menus as much in Explorer as in Office, it makes sense. If you watch the video you realize how much easier it is for average users to figure out how do do things with ribbon vs. the menu interface, and keyboard shortcuts and quick access toolbar customization will be king for power users like us.

[citation][nom]amk-aka-phantom[/nom]The only thing that pisses me off more and more in Windows is its increasing focus on "sharing" and such. I don't want to "share" anything with anybody, damn it! Remove that wretched word and I'll be fine.Oh yeah, and I hope I can get rid of tabbed browsing and bring back the top menu (File/View/Edit/Tools/etc) instead of these big buttons. Seriously, this looks like Office 2007... I don't like this. The Ribbon can go and rm -rf itself...The problem with ALL modern software products is that they try to add something new and unwanted before there's any kind of stability achieved...[/citation]

I don't quite get what has you so upset over the sharing thing.

Windows' UI was pretty much unchanged since Windows 95. They made some changes in Vista and tweaked them in 7, but for you to act like they changed them just as you were getting used to them--I'd say 16 years is long enough. Also, hating the ribbon because it looks like Office 2007 is not a reason. I'm still trying to understand why so many people hate the ribbon in office. Once you get the hang of it it is actually easier to find what you're looking for on it.
 
My initial reaction was also "what the #*!¤=¤", but thinking about it, it really gives you the best of both worlds.
When I am at the keyboard i almost always use shortcut keys and sometimes right-clicks to access some commands. I just have to hide the ribbon (or collapse it).

But there are times when I am more laidback where I have to shift position to get to the keyboard. These times I use only the mouse and there are certain things that can't be done with right-clicking, like "select all" (CTRL+A).
These things can now be done with just one click on the ribbon.
Also, the ribbon have some big icons that is an advantage if you sit a bit away from the screen.
Good thing for us who mix intense "at the keyboard" sessions with more lazy laid-back ones....

Plus, the ribbon can be hidden when I'm using keyboard shortcuts and it takes up less space (as shown) than the explorer in Windows 7 anyway.

A big win for most users!
 
[citation][nom]bourgeoisdude[/nom]I hope not. I hate having to say things to users like "Click the copy button on top of the screen, but if it isn't there, then..."[/citation]
So does it burn you to know that CTRL+C and CTRL+V are just as useful and sometimes a lot quicker?
 
As long as Microsoft buys me a larger monitor to make up for the space I am losing, I will have no problem with the space wasted on the ribbon...
 


Yeah, that's the thing! You'd think that 16 years is enough for them to realize we don't want to "share" anything! Yet here we go again, new OS and these buttons still take up useful space :fou:
 
the win 8 launch is going to be dissappointing if they keep the ribbon interface as default and unchangeable. during the win 7 launch process I was already using the OS even in its pre beta form it was awesome, and stable. i havent felt the need to test win 8 due to that.
but i think i need to check out some pre beta ..............
 
I didn't ask for "Ribbon" don't like "ribbon" and if I could go back to DOS I would! But I found linux. NO FREAKIN RIBBON! .. ok so Ubuntu put in Unity... but quickly replaceable with xfce or any other Desktop manager you choose... Messing around with the GUI like that is one of the many reasons XP is still on most boxes and windows 7 may stick around even longer. (atlest make the damned thing user installable,a selective option not one forced upon users like a date you can't get rid of .If you want it .. great.. if not GET IT OUT OF HERE ..
 
[citation][nom]digitalrazoe[/nom]ok so Ubuntu put in Unity... but quickly replaceable with xfce or any other Desktop manager you choose...[/citation]
That is different from Windows how?
Also configurable with multiple options both internally and with 3rd party add-ons.
 
imho, ribbon is not just bad idea, it is horrible but users have different needs and for some this may be improvement.
to me ribbon simply takes way too much of resource (in this context resource is the display resolution). mainstream display nowdays is 1366x768 and quick check on my MS Office 2007 says that from top of screen (maximized Word) to top of the document is 184 pixels. add to that lost pixels at the bottom of the screen and task bar and we are talking about less than 70% of screen vertically available for actual work area (exposed portion of the document).
Add to that large unused areas on sides of the document (about 25% on both left and right) and what is left is less than only some 40% of the entire screen space is left as usable work area (and that is when window is maximized). If this is not horrible waste of resources, i don't know what is it.

but since most people are computer illiterate lemmings using computers exclusively for email and entertainment, they can see ribbon as improvement. you may disagree all you want, but testament to this is one look into any computer store filled with junk (low resolution displays, glossy surfaces that are fingerprint magnet, terrible thermal management, huge bezzels and 'junk' such as batteries or fans sticking out of even oversized laptops etc.). that junk is meant to appeal to those lemmings, next you know computers will be sold in dollar stores.

anyone using computer for slightly more serious things will cry foul every time they see acres of screen space wasted on stupid ribbon. and it is vertical resolution that suffers most. does not matter that almost every product is wide screen when the software uses horizontal ribbon spanning entire screen.

I want it to display list of files and folders, see their name extension, size and date. As for frequently used function I need means to copy, move, rename and delete files. Does one really need ribbon for that much functionality?
Need proof that MS did terrible job on explorer? Here is what I absolutely hate about Vista Explorer:
i prefer Detail view, yet windows keeps changing view when i open another folder and no amount of tweaking can fore it to stick with Detail view PERMANENTLY. it may stay for few clicks but it is only matter of time until Explorer decides that it should display things as thumbnails or large icons or change MY columns to something else (for example navigating to a folder with media files hides some columns and introduces rating, ganre, bitrate etc.). I want everything to stay the way it was. worse, every time you click on any folder, all columns RESIZE!!!! so you go browsing through folders with long file names and you need to see the full names but with every click explorer keeps setting width of NAME, DATE etc to it's own defaults.

So someone decided that windows explorer sucks and needs improvement. That's GOOD!!!
Unfortunately they focus on wrong things to make the desperately needed improvements.
 
yaiks.. never in love with ribbon-ui. their assymetric icon placement makes my eyes longer to locked the (icon) target, thus it just confusing alot that helping me out. and the icon placement in ribbon-ui takes much larger area than in toolbar style, making it more cluttered and disturbing my eyes. i hope it can be turned off,, right-click menu and a few toolbar is enough. if not,, then a third party win8 explorer would necessary for me.
 
If they fixed all of the bugs and "by-design" flaws in offline-files caching and administration, that would be something. If they made copying as powerful as some of the advanced xcopy features, that would be something. If they integrated this in with shadow copies so that you could right-click a file and get an expander menu showing the most-recent previous versions and even allowing for comparison / diff views, that would be something. If they integrated fragmentation information into the details view so that you could see how badly (or not) the files were fragmented, that would be something even, albeit small. If they provided a "view as" feature so that you could see what the view would look like if you were logged in as someone else (with appropriate intersectioning restrictions as needed) to test file security settings, that would be something. If they could show me which files were locked by users on the network, and provide lock-removal by a button or click, that would be something.

If they can add some of the features that are currently only dialog-accessible to the instant view, I'm all for it. But I don't need a bigger "copy" button, thanks.
 
@sperglord

yuo mean 1680x1050. it is not mainstram at least for mobile products which is huge and ever growing segment.
i use dell workstation with 1920x1200 and still don't like the ribbon but it is even worse without it. yes it can be turned off but then there are no toolbars so it takes more clicks. you click on menue to select function and massive ribbon is back covering part of the document. there is no option for slim customizable toolbars.

i also don't like what windows explorer is like. don't really care if the ribbon is added or not but MS has forgotten how to make functional interface. the new features like ribbon look a lot like interfaces of ancient products that Microsoft once destroyed.
 
I kinda like what I see. I like how easy it looks to share on a corporate network. I think the ribbon is more suited to explorer than it is in office. The keyboard shortcuts being displayed are nice because I can never remember those shortcuts I rarely use (the older I get the less I remember :/).
 
Here we go just when i thought MS was actually making windows 8 interesting they have to put the ribon garbage in it. If the Ribon UI isn't popular then why are you doing it? lol. Collapsed doesn't really solve it, it just makes all those icons a small cluster fudge. You can put whipped cream on crap, but it's still crap.
 
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