Moar guns ... we need moar guns

[riser]

This one made my day!

But freedom should be a subjective feeling, so I just have to pretend to believe you. 😀

Regardless, this is not the issue.
The fact is that I have difficulty to understand the pro-guns.
The place where I feel more secure, it is in my house. This is where I need the least possible weapons.
I could possibly need a gun when I go out or when I'm at work, where I feel less safe (muggings are fairly regular at my place of work).
I guess it does not change once crossed the Atlantic. So why pile of weapons in your room and under your mattress? it's really something I do not understand. (I do not know if these sentences are understandable)
And I do not need a renewed vigilance, I do not see what could happen to me, and even though I'll defend myself.

I admit, i don't know many things about the bill done in '94. only think it was a good idea.

Hopefully a couple people don't break into your house.. For that matter, I hope you don't have a wife and a kid with you and two adult men on Meth break in. Good luck to you.

 

[wanamingo]

Yep the NRA has gone off the deep end and suggested putting armed cops in every school.

Looks like liberty waving conservatives are ushering in the police state.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

Yep the NRA has gone off the deep end and suggested putting armed cops in every school.

Looks like liberty waving conservatives are ushering in the police state.

Well are they going to perform strip searches and have metal detectors at every school. Something to limit the children's liberties?
Without cops or any armed guards these gun free zones are not impervious to guns.

 

[ex_bubblehead]

Defense aside, guns are just plain fun to shoot. Fill some old milk jugs with water and blow them up with a .44 magnum. Loads of fun! Or unload on an old junk car with an AR-15 or shotgun. Loads of fun! Have a family shooting competition with prizes at the end. Loads of fun, and a family affair that brings people closer.

So I think the phrase "don't knock it until you try it" applies here. Cheers!

And you ought to see what a .50 cal round does to an old hard drive, assuming you can find any of the drive afterward :lol:

 

[Reynod]

Hey ... a week later and none of you care a hoot about the 20 kids that got executed ... back to bragging about your various guns.

My efforts here are wasted ...

 

[chunkymonster]

Yep the NRA has gone off the deep end and suggested putting armed cops in every school.

Looks like liberty waving conservatives are ushering in the police state.

We've already got local police and armed guards patrolling college campuses. We've already got trained security patrolling shopping malls and public centers. We've already got armed air marshals flying undercover. Having properly trained and armed personnel to protect the innocent in these situations goes unnoticed; heck most people welcome the thought of having this level of protection.

Most schools in New Jersey already have an armed "security liaison" assigned to them.

The citizens and school board in Harrold, Texas allow teachers to carry concealed weapons in the classroom. Oklahoma, Missouri, Minnsota, South Dakota and Oregon have proposed legislation to allow teachers to do the same in their State.

But, seemingly because the NRA suggests placing properly trained armed personnel where the most innocent of our society spend the majority of their young lives, somehow they are ushering in a police state.

Yeah okay...

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OK, niow its once again time to go to the real reasons here.
All those states cm just mentioned are good or great hunting states.
Can anyone see the correlation between living in one of these states where hunting traditions, the proper use and respect for guns havnt fallen off the map?

How then does that change, or contain within some states frame of mind, and also that of the criminal?
And, not knowing this, one might argue against such things.
Since when, when things work better we retract from it?

And so far, the arguement is, the NRA types are to be forgotten, instead of, they may have something to teach us

OK, I just threw in Jersey, but hey, its probably a union right to carry, so its a pass then

 

[wanamingo]

Im not sure where the logic for having armed guards is coming from. Columbine had an armed guard on patrol and it made no difference.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/columbine-armed-guards-schools-students-safe-article-1.1225796
keep trying

 

[amdfangirl]

If you can figure out where the money is going to come from then (with politics), by all means that sounds like an excellent idea.

Just make sure they reserve lethal force for those carrying guns and about to fire on them.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

If you can figure out where the money is going to come from then (with politics), by all means that sounds like an excellent idea.

Just make sure they reserve lethal force for those carrying guns and about to fire on them.

^That is police code.

 

[amdfangirl]

Exactly. I want trained police rather than regular security guards.

 

[Reynod]

We have pretty safe schools here because we have virtually no guns on the streets other than those smuggled / stolen etc ...

In the US nearly 300 people are shot every day ... most thankfully are not killed ... but the number is clearly indicative of a country out of control.

Multiply that out across your lifespan and the average UX citizen has nearly a 3% chance of being shot during the course of their life.

Thats just completely nuts.

 

[riser]

You also have to realize Rey that most of these shootings happen in the Ghettos of cities. Chicago has a dozen shootings a day. My former craphole city has on average 5 shootings a week.

Where I am now.. a bigger hunting state and a city the same size as the last, they have a shooting about once a month. Oddily enough, most of those people doing the shootings are from non-hunting states who came here because family was in the area.

 

[amdfangirl]

Hey look riser they based a Digimon off you 😛

The offensive power fired from the gigantic revolver on its left arm is said to rival that of a single nuclear warhead

Sounds about right... 😉

http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/RizeGreymon

 

[riser]

About time someone recognizes me for awesome. haha

Nice find.

Orange is fitting since I live in Tennessee now. hah

 

[Reynod]

Your probably glowing orange for a different reason riser ...

Check your dosimeter.

 

[riser]

I don't get checked unless something happens. It's the other people.

Don't drink the water though. The mutations are interesting, yet sick. You probably won't read too much on that though.

On a side note, many people I work with are recovering from cancer or have autistic kids... something to do with too much mercury. Water I'd guess.

 

[Reynod]

Yes though on a positive note the world would be a different place if it were not for that place.

 

[amdfangirl]

Yooz spel chek Reynod.

Don't maik me cleen up after u... 😛

 

[MU_Engineer]

Whats the rationale behind having assault weapons at all? They arent used for hunting and no reasonable person would consider one for self defense.

Why do you need an assault weapon?

Actually AR-15s and the like are frequently used for hunting. They are accurate, have low recoil, and are very versatile because of the modular design. They are one of a very few semi-automatic rifles which can be cleaned from the breech rather than the muzzle and can be changed from one caliber to another in less than a minute by putting on a new upper. Those are all useful traits for hunting. The AR-15 with the stock .223 upper is widely used around here for getting rid of pests such as gophers, prairie dogs, coyotes, etc. and they do a very good job at it. Some people use them on deer but a .223 underpowered for deer. Certain larger caliber uppers like the 6.8 SPC were designed explicitly for hunting purposes because the .223 isn't powerful enough for deer hunting. And let's not forget the AR-10 clones (essentially a larger AR-15) which shoot short-action cartridges like the .243, .260 Rem, 7mm-08, and .308. The .243 is a marginal deer round but the rest are fine deer rounds.

You guys do see how the philosophy of limited access to healthcare and complete access to guns might.... make these problems worse?

So why would you want weapons designed not for hunting or defense? If its a tool then what purpose does a rifle (With extended clips) serve?

Target shooting would be one reason. It is a pain to reload a magazine on a plinking rifle every five shots. If you are shooting at spinning targets or especially a dueling tree you will also want to be able to shoot a reasonable number of rounds before needing to reload.

Dumbass quote of the day and this is why:

Democrat's pushed HIPAA and it was passed. The push was to allow teenagers, 16 years and older, to be on birth control without their parents having access to their healthcare records. So you have a parent with a 16 year old kid who no longer has access to their child's healthcare records. Great for HIPAA, parents have to ask their own children about their health issues because they don't have legal access to them.

Enter the mental health debate. HIPAA protects menta health patients ages 16 and older from parents and others from seeing their health issues unless said person grants access to see those records. The issue is a 16 year old could be diagnosed with a mental health issue but after age 16, parents don't necessarily get to know this if their child doesn't want it known. While the HIPAA law enacted one benefit for the progressives, the short sightedness of the program failed to understand the full impact of the law.

Because of HIPAA mental health issues are not going to be public knowledge and presentable on a background check when purchasing a firearm or anything else unless ruled incompetent by a doctor. This means people with mental health issues do not need to tell anyone, nor can anyone look it up, and they are legally allowed to purchase a firearm.

Changes to HIPAA should be made to allow better help to mental health people instead of cloaking the issue behind a wall of political agendas.

A little OT, but HIPAA was really the first step of a fully socialized health care system as it would allow for the national electronic medical records needed by a socialized system. I work in healthcare and have had multiple government drones tell me this verbatim. The privacy parts of the bill were there to try to assuage fears of confidentiality breaches when everybody's records are all sitting in one government server farm. They have also had the beneficial to the government effect of being a source of fine revenue (it is trivial to accidentally violate HIPAA and the fines are huge) and spawning a cottage industry of compliance staff, all of whose jobs are dependent on the law remaining in effect and thus very likely Democrat voters. The "P" in HIPAA is for "portability" of records, also needed for establishing a single national socialized EMR system. If it was just about teenagers getting birth control, that could have been done- and in many states has been done- with other laws specifically targeting that issue rather than the morass which is HIPAA.

BTW, mental health questions are asked on the BATFE 4437 form when you get a new firearm. It is illegal (perjury) to say you do not have mental health issues when you do. And a doc can certainly notify law enforcement when a mentally ill person wants a firearm, that's exempted from HIPAA as well as very well enshrined in legal precedent with the Tarasoff case.

OMG as far as I am concerned a .223 / 5.56mm centrefire round is high powered.

Yes it doesn't quite have the same punch as a .308 REM / 7.62mm NATO round but for all intensive purposes at 100 metres or closer it does enough damage.

"Doesn't have quite the same punch as a .308" is like saying a 1.6 P4 is "not quite as fast" as an i7-3970X. The .223 is illegal in many areas for deer hunting. Deer are of similar size and construction as people. That and the constant complaints from service members saying their M4 "poodle shooters" aren't working nearly as well as the terrorists' 7.62x39s should be a clue that the 5.56x45 isn't that good of a military round. Now if we happen to be fighting an invasion of terrorist gophers, by all means pull out the 5.56!

If this round wasn't any good then why did NATO adopt it and replace the former?

The rationale was not simply based on the ability to carry more rounds.

Politics, mainly.

I am not some idiot you can convince in this regard ... I did 7 years mil service and fired and SERVICED most of the mil weapons.

riser ... the wild boar arguement is pathetic ... where is the sport in not giving the boar the chance to chew the hunter up a bit eh?

The point of hunting isn't to necessarily be on a level playing field with the game. If you think the hunter should be roughed up by the game they are hunting, I think your helmet may have been on a little too tight for a little too long in the service.

You should be going out with just a spear and a knife ... an assault rifle is overkill.

We need to remove semi automatics fullstop ... along with handguns.

Only cops and the forces should have these.

The way the gun nuts have twisted the 2nd amendment and pulled the wool over the eyes of the American people is a travesty that urgently needs to be corrected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

freedom [for Protestants] to bear arms for their defence, as allowed by law,

Read the writings of the writers of the Constitution. The entire reason the U.S. was able to beat the British colonial overlords was because so many colonists were armed. The Founders were very careful in their crafting of the Constitution such that they did not want the country to become what they just rebelled against.

Note ... NO MENTION OF HIGH POWERED ASSAULT RIFLES ABOVE !!

Yes, because those were around in 1776

As for the neighbour and the need to get out an AR15 and "be ready" just in case they swarm your house for "purely self defence" is the kind of response that tells sane people you shouldn't really have one of those handy.

Just ring the cops, hide and wait.

Yes, because the cops are always only 10 seconds away...

Totally agree!

Also, following the NRA Marksmanship Qualification Program to achieve the various levels of competency (Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert, etc) can test the skill level of any wannabe gun know-it-all.

I've been shooting in the Small Bore Prone matches at my club. Putting a .22 LR in the X ring at 200 yards is a challenge even with a scope. Whole lotta fun trying though...

That's pretty impressive given a .22 drops something like 2 feet at 200 yards. I have only ever tried to shoot mine at 100 and you can certainly tell it has a rainbow trajectory.

 

[Reynod]

I see you wasted at least 30 minutes of your life trying to refute what I wrote in 20 seconds ... and somehow still didn't convince me.

At the end of the day there are more guns in your country than cutlery.

Getting rid of all of them to make the place safe is almost impossible now ... that probably makes the gun nuts feel better.

Frankly the best option might be to immigrate to a safer place.

As the unofficial 51st State feel free to come here ... but leave your eliphant guns behind.

We are lucky to have a much smaller population and the benefit of Prime Minister Howard's decision at the time, which was very forward thinking.

I don't miss not having any weapons in the house either ... honestly.

Well I still have a bit of a sword collection in case we are attacked by ninjas ... but that is unlikely now as I donated to the Fukishima disaster.

 

[MU_Engineer]

As the unofficial 51st State feel free to come here ... but leave your eliphant guns behind.

We are lucky to have a much smaller population and the benefit of Prime Minister Howard's decision at the time, which was very forward thinking.

I don't miss not having any weapons in the house either ... honestly.

Well I still have a bit of a sword collection in case we are attacked by ninjas ... but that is unlikely now as I donated to the Fukishima disaster.

Umm, swords are weapons. The Japanese killed a boatload of people (mainly Chinese prisoners) with swords of various types during WWII. Sword attacks in Japan are not uncommon even today. I'd much rather be shot than hacked up by a sword.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

See:
Africa & machete

 

[subcriminal]

Less guns does not equal less crime according to this harvard study, which debunks a lot of anti-gun myths and mantras.

An interesting read no matter which side you're on.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf