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"Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rmarkoff-17A40C.04400424052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> "Saddam" had to go? Fine, but what do we do about the dozens of other
> countries with equally despotic rulers? Does the words "NORTH KOREA"
> ring a bell? Why does the Civil War in Sudan with MILLIONS killed
> continue?

We're doing all that can be done to contain the North Korea situation.
If we tried to interfere more, we'd incur the wrath of China, as well as
provoke the madman dictator of NK to use his nukes.
Sudan is a different situation. If other African nations feel that it's
destabilizing the region, they should send a joint peace keeping mission.
Let's face it, they're not in a strategically important region of the world,
so no need for the US to get directly involved.

--

John Richards
 
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John

Wrong re: NK.

China is no longer a NK supporter, yes they have a relationship but
China is no longer lavishing them aid and supplies. China is more
interested in trade with the west. Communism as a philosophy in China
is dead, what you have is centralized power with the Mao. I spent a
lot of time in Asia over the last few years. Having been in Beijing
(got great pictures on the way to China UniComm at Tiananmen Square
sp?) I can tell you this is not Nixon's China

What bush has done in NK set us back years. We had a deal, they
stayed isolated and we gave them food and oil (and get 50K troops on
SK just case). Bush started the saber rattling (axis of evil) cut off
their aid... surprise NK started with nukes again. No did bush want
this? Maybe he wanted the missile defense shield and we had no enemy
to build it for... till he provided NK.

Now 3 years later we are back to NK offering to give up nukes if we
give it back its aid. Full circle and I bet bush promoted this as a
victory

my issues in general is that bush is very dangerous to the safety of
our country




"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<SDosc.3252$GS6.1834@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>...
> "Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rmarkoff-17A40C.04400424052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> > "Saddam" had to go? Fine, but what do we do about the dozens of other
> > countries with equally despotic rulers? Does the words "NORTH KOREA"
> > ring a bell? Why does the Civil War in Sudan with MILLIONS killed
> > continue?
>
> We're doing all that can be done to contain the North Korea situation.
> If we tried to interfere more, we'd incur the wrath of China, as well as
> provoke the madman dictator of NK to use his nukes.
> Sudan is a different situation. If other African nations feel that it's
> destabilizing the region, they should send a joint peace keeping mission.
> Let's face it, they're not in a strategically important region of the world,
> so no need for the US to get directly involved.
 
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In article <SDosc.3252$GS6.1834@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rmarkoff-17A40C.04400424052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> > "Saddam" had to go? Fine, but what do we do about the dozens of other
> > countries with equally despotic rulers? Does the words "NORTH KOREA"
> > ring a bell? Why does the Civil War in Sudan with MILLIONS killed
> > continue?
>
> We're doing all that can be done to contain the North Korea situation.
> If we tried to interfere more, we'd incur the wrath of China, as well as
> provoke the madman dictator of NK to use his nukes.

Dream on. We've totally ignored Korea.
 
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Bush *has* tried to get more international help, but so far there
have been few takers. In fact, Spain and Italy have recently pulled out
because of the continuing suicide bomber attacks.
As far as him giving some of the reconstruction contracts to friends,
all politicians do this.

--

John Richards


"Ron" <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e0a6369d.0405231536.4bc6c41d@posting.google.com...
> John
>
> Really? How about allowing an International Coalition to help Iraq
> rebuild? Does that give the effort more legitimacy? Any beef with
> letting our allies send in more troops and take share the losses?
>
> Bush coghed at the condition that he could not continue to award all
> the non-bid contracts to his pals.
>
> I was really amused with SAIC getting the non bid contract to train
> jouranlists. I've met with them thier DC office years ago. They are
> the ultimate insiders. What qualfies an information security firm to
> get huge $$ to run a newspapers? Same thing that qualified WordCom the
> no bid contract to rebuild 100% of Iraqs cell phone infra-structure.
> B+FYI WorldCom re-sold Altell service, they know marketing but have
> never operated or laid a single foot of fiber. Oh yes, what makes
> these unqualified company qualified....? Politcal contributions. You
> want this guy running the war? I wouldn't let him clean my pool
>
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:<HG5sc.19888$Y67.18561@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>...
>> "Ron" <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e0a6369d.0405230856.2c8101d9@posting.google.com...
>> > BTW I support our troops 120% and believe we MUST succeed. I don't
>> > believe Bush understands how to succeed. He fires or ignores anyone
>> > who tells him the "emperor has no cloths" then claims bad intelligence
>> > when he finds out he is naked.
>>
>> Monday morning quarterbacking is real easy to do but not very
>> helpful. I haven't seen any of the Bush critics come up with a
>> better plan on how to run the war in Iraq.
 
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John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> As far as him giving some of the reconstruction contracts to friends,
> all politicians do this.

"Because THEY do it" isn't an excuse.

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John

wrong France, Germany and other Nato countries offered huge help but
Bush had to give up the 100% of all contracts (no bid to boot) go to
the USA. Basically we are paying 100% of the bill and he directs the
pork. Great deal unless you are a US taxpayer or serviceman


"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<jNosc.3253$VU6.1865@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>...
> Bush *has* tried to get more international help, but so far there
> have been few takers. In fact, Spain and Italy have recently pulled out
> because of the continuing suicide bomber attacks.
> As far as him giving some of the reconstruction contracts to friends,
> all politicians do this.
>
> --
>
> John Richards
>
>
> "Ron" <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e0a6369d.0405231536.4bc6c41d@posting.google.com...
> > John
> >
> > Really? How about allowing an International Coalition to help Iraq
> > rebuild? Does that give the effort more legitimacy? Any beef with
> > letting our allies send in more troops and take share the losses?
> >
> > Bush coghed at the condition that he could not continue to award all
> > the non-bid contracts to his pals.
> >
> > I was really amused with SAIC getting the non bid contract to train
> > jouranlists. I've met with them thier DC office years ago. They are
> > the ultimate insiders. What qualfies an information security firm to
> > get huge $$ to run a newspapers? Same thing that qualified WordCom the
> > no bid contract to rebuild 100% of Iraqs cell phone infra-structure.
> > B+FYI WorldCom re-sold Altell service, they know marketing but have
> > never operated or laid a single foot of fiber. Oh yes, what makes
> > these unqualified company qualified....? Politcal contributions. You
> > want this guy running the war? I wouldn't let him clean my pool
> >
> > "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:<HG5sc.19888$Y67.18561@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>...
> >> "Ron" <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e0a6369d.0405230856.2c8101d9@posting.google.com...
> >> > BTW I support our troops 120% and believe we MUST succeed. I don't
> >> > believe Bush understands how to succeed. He fires or ignores anyone
> >> > who tells him the "emperor has no cloths" then claims bad intelligence
> >> > when he finds out he is naked.
> >>
> >> Monday morning quarterbacking is real easy to do but not very
> >> helpful. I haven't seen any of the Bush critics come up with a
> >> better plan on how to run the war in Iraq.
 
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In article <jNosc.3253$VU6.1865@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Bush *has* tried to get more international help, but so far there
> have been few takers. In fact, Spain and Italy have recently pulled out
> because of the continuing suicide bomber attacks.
> As far as him giving some of the reconstruction contracts to friends,
> all politicians do this.

The only economies Bush has helped since 2001 is India and Halliburton.
 
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"Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rmarkoff-C1F18E.18383123052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <72asc.243$xX.163@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>> news:nIGdnd1JZ75XkyzdRVn-vA@lmi.net...
>> > Eric <caperenewal@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >> rmarkoff@yahoo.com (Robert?M) wrote:
>> >>> The soon to be Lame Duck Bush
>> >>> administration.
>> >>
>> >> Can I take this that you do not like George W. Bush? I personally
>> >> cannot wait until election, but am still undecided as to who to vote
>> >> for.
>> >
>> > You mean the murderer? The guy who insists on killing our soldiers for
>> > no good reason?
>>
>> Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
>> would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
>> Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
>> majority of Iraqis feel that way.
>
> But we're too busy killing any Iraqi that want to get married.
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040523/ap
> _on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack

Unbroken link:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040523/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack

So now you're accusing our soldiers of being indiscriminate killers of civilians?
Fact is, unlike their opponents, US soldiers do not knowingly target
non-combatants. But, as in any war, mistakes in military intelligence do happen.

--

John Richards
 
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John please cite A SINGLE example of no-bid contracts going to total
unqualified comanies in a time of war? Cite any abuse even close to
this in another administration?



Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:<QJWdndVMDdIY3C_dRVn-vw@lmi.net>...
> John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > As far as him giving some of the reconstruction contracts to friends,
> > all politicians do this.
>
> "Because THEY do it" isn't an excuse.
 
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"Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message news😱PKdnU7NrOgz_izd4p2dnA@adelphia.com...
>
> One last thing- we see the same types of things happen in this country every
> day. Serial killers, sexual predators, child predators to name a few. I
> haven't seen a whole lot of posting on these subjects. Are we saying that
> the treatment of a few Iraqi prisoners is more important to us than the
> treatment of our own citizens? Are you more outraged by the tactics used on
> prisoners of war than you are of the tactics used by your own local kiddy
> pervert? Are these things only important when they draw the attention of
> the national press? Think carefully about your answers- they will say a lot
> about your sense of right and wrong.

You've hit on a very important point. Those in this country who oppose the
current US position in Iraq will cease upon anything, blow it out of proportion,
and use it to gain a few political points. It says more about their inner hate
than about their proclaimed self-righteousness.

--

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"Ron" <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e0a6369d.0405232217.121d21ad@posting.google.com...
>
> We need to support our troops. We do not need to support the people
> that sent them, especially if they are incompetents
>
> BTW Really supporting our troops is something that the people that
> sent them there are NOT doing. While we had men on the ground the GOP
> (fact, not a political statement go look it up) almost cut military
> pay to make the tax cut number line up. A protest signed by all the
> DNC and some GOP members, got that pay cut killed. When the latest
> body armor was available (after 2000) Bush did not sent it to our
> troops. We still have families sending protective gear to their kids.
> That is a disgrace.

Fact is that the Democrats have continually cut funds for the Defense
Department, and are even now balking at supplying the funds to
continue operations in Iraq. If you were to take a survey of our troops,
asking them who supports them better, they'd say the Democrats for
military pay and the Republicans for everything else.

--

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John

Wrong again, big difference between defense spending and military
budget (you ought to know that)

Example, the GOP howled over Clinton's gutting of the military bill
with the line item veto. Typical bull "he is weak on defense, etc…".
The criteria for the cuts was simple.

1) Anything the Joint chiefs, pentagon, etc.. asked for that was in
the bill they got
2) Any other items tacked on by member of congress that did no have a
sponsors name on the line item, and no sponsor would come forward to
explain what the port was for got cut.

That is not weak on defense that is strong on no pork hiding in a
defense bill. In contrast the GOP has ignored the requests of the
pentagon for defense items and instead spent billions on obsolete
systems like the fleet of 1950's b-52 Newt pushed though in the 90's.
The DNC did silly thing like JDAM missiles, Drone planes, land
warrior, etc…. you know the weapons that helped us win the initial
assault in Iraq.





"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<7bpsc.3257$V%6.2532@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>...
> "Ron" <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e0a6369d.0405232217.121d21ad@posting.google.com...
> >
> > We need to support our troops. We do not need to support the people
> > that sent them, especially if they are incompetents
> >
> > BTW Really supporting our troops is something that the people that
> > sent them there are NOT doing. While we had men on the ground the GOP
> > (fact, not a political statement go look it up) almost cut military
> > pay to make the tax cut number line up. A protest signed by all the
> > DNC and some GOP members, got that pay cut killed. When the latest
> > body armor was available (after 2000) Bush did not sent it to our
> > troops. We still have families sending protective gear to their kids.
> > That is a disgrace.
>
> Fact is that the Democrats have continually cut funds for the Defense
> Department, and are even now balking at supplying the funds to
> continue operations in Iraq. If you were to take a survey of our troops,
> asking them who supports them better, they'd say the Democrats for
> military pay and the Republicans for everything else.
 
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In article <7bpsc.3257$V%6.2532@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Fact is that the Democrats have continually cut funds for the Defense
> Department, and are even now balking at supplying the funds to
> continue operations in Iraq.

No, they and Kerry support the funds, but by having an even larger
deficit.
 
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In article <G4psc.3256$BZ6.3031@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news😱PKdnU7NrOgz_izd4p2dnA@adelphia.com...
> >
> > One last thing- we see the same types of things happen in this country
> > every
> > day. Serial killers, sexual predators, child predators to name a few. I
> > haven't seen a whole lot of posting on these subjects. Are we saying that
> > the treatment of a few Iraqi prisoners is more important to us than the
> > treatment of our own citizens? Are you more outraged by the tactics used
> > on
> > prisoners of war

But thats the whole problem you just glossed over. These folks are
called "illegal combatants", and not accorded any rights under Geneva
Conventions.






> than you are of the tactics used by your own local kiddy
> > pervert? Are these things only important when they draw the attention of
> > the national press? Think carefully about your answers- they will say a
> > lot
> > about your sense of right and wrong.
>
> You've hit on a very important point. Those in this country who oppose the
> current US position in Iraq will cease upon anything, blow it out of
> proportion,
> and use it to gain a few political points. It says more about their inner
> hate
> than about their proclaimed self-righteousness.
 
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In article <e0a6369d.0405240812.6ad21d31@posting.google.com>,
ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:

> Robert
>
> I didn't post that rate.
> You can get 100K+ in 1X but typically you don't. It is a bandwidth
> issue.

And Sobol posted 120K, so I conclude I was right. It's a theoretical
limit used only for advertising purposes that wont be seen in the Real
World.

> The faster you are allowed to send the more bandwidth you use. They
> are not getting high speed by a new comression alg, it takes data,
> data and more data over the air. I am wondering where the freq for
> 500K is going to come from.
>
> Røbert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<rmarkoff-B44FCA.05133024052004@news5.west.earthlink.net>...
> > In article <e0a6369d.0405231959.46e47d7c@posting.google.com>,
> > ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
> >
> > > 40-60 kbps
> > > (1xRTT)
> >
> >
> > Why is this half the rate others are touting?
> >
> >
> >
> > Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> > news:<nIGdnd5JZ76KjSzdRVn-vA@lmi.net>
> >
> > > Specifically, Vision is 1xRTT, which allows
> > > for speeds of up to about 120K.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Or is 120K a theoretical number for advertising purposes only.
 
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R?bert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <e0a6369d.0405240812.6ad21d31@posting.google.com>,
> ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
>
>> Robert
>>
>> I didn't post that rate.
>> You can get 100K+ in 1X but typically you don't. It is a bandwidth
>> issue.
>
> And Sobol posted 120K, so I conclude I was right. It's a theoretical
> limit used only for advertising purposes that wont be seen in the Real
> World.

I've heard of people getting 100-120K. I've only ever gotten 80-90K on
Verizon (haven't used Vision yet), but then I've only used Verizon's 1x
data service a grand total of maybe a half-dozen times.

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Some carriers are giving around 100K not sure if Sprint is one of
them. The issue is they can if they want to. I would call 100mbit
Ethernet a theoretical limit since you are never going to see it
except under a non-real world scenario. You can get 100K+ from 2.5G
but a carrier might throttle you back. Different things


Røbert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<rmarkoff-E66CC2.11293824052004@news5.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <e0a6369d.0405240812.6ad21d31@posting.google.com>,
> ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
>
> > Robert
> >
> > I didn't post that rate.
> > You can get 100K+ in 1X but typically you don't. It is a bandwidth
> > issue.
>
> And Sobol posted 120K, so I conclude I was right. It's a theoretical
> limit used only for advertising purposes that wont be seen in the Real
> World.
>
> > The faster you are allowed to send the more bandwidth you use. They
> > are not getting high speed by a new comression alg, it takes data,
> > data and more data over the air. I am wondering where the freq for
> > 500K is going to come from.
> >
> > Røbert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:<rmarkoff-B44FCA.05133024052004@news5.west.earthlink.net>...
> > > In article <e0a6369d.0405231959.46e47d7c@posting.google.com>,
> > > ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
> > >
> > > > 40-60 kbps
> > > > (1xRTT)
> > >
> > >
> > > Why is this half the rate others are touting?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> > > news:<nIGdnd5JZ76KjSzdRVn-vA@lmi.net>
> > >
> > > > Specifically, Vision is 1xRTT, which allows
> > > > for speeds of up to about 120K.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > Or is 120K a theoretical number for advertising purposes only.
 
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In article <NVosc.3255$gX6.1444@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rmarkoff-C1F18E.18383123052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> > In article <72asc.243$xX.163@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
> > "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> >> news:nIGdnd1JZ75XkyzdRVn-vA@lmi.net...
> >> > Eric <caperenewal@webtv.net> wrote:
> >> >> rmarkoff@yahoo.com (Robert?M) wrote:
> >> >>> The soon to be Lame Duck Bush
> >> >>> administration.
> >> >>
> >> >> Can I take this that you do not like George W. Bush? I personally
> >> >> cannot wait until election, but am still undecided as to who to vote
> >> >> for.
> >> >
> >> > You mean the murderer? The guy who insists on killing our soldiers for
> >> > no good reason?
> >>
> >> Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
> >> would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
> >> Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
> >> majority of Iraqis feel that way.
> >
> > But we're too busy killing any Iraqi that want to get married.
> >
> > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040523/ap
> > _on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack
>
> Unbroken link:
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040523/ap_on_r
> e_mi_ea/iraq_attack
>
> So now you're accusing our soldiers of being indiscriminate killers of
> civilians?
> Fact is, unlike their opponents, US soldiers do not knowingly target
> non-combatants. But, as in any war, mistakes in military intelligence do
> happen.

But such attacks destroy our credibility, and insisting it wasnt a
wedding makes it worse.
 
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R?bert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Fact is, unlike their opponents, US soldiers do not knowingly target
>> non-combatants. But, as in any war, mistakes in military intelligence do
>> happen.
>
> But such attacks destroy our credibility, and insisting it wasnt a
> wedding makes it worse.

Stop the presses: I agree with Phillipe.

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In article <e0a6369d.0405240758.51c0ab80@posting.google.com>,
ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:

> Bush was not tricked, he wanted to go and was eager for any
> justification.
>
> Bush fired or ignored all those (in the Pentagon, his cabinet, Nat
> Security) that disagreed with him. Basiucally if you didn;t tell him
> what he wanted to here you were toast.

Or your wife's career in the CIA was ruined?
 
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In article <e0a6369d.0405240755.5206f491@posting.google.com>,
ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:

> The reason we do nothing about N Korea is everyone knows that will be
> a huge battle with a huge commitment in time, money and casualties.

And thats different from Iraq, how?
 
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R?bert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <e0a6369d.0405240755.5206f491@posting.google.com>,
> ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
>
>> The reason we do nothing about N Korea is everyone knows that will be
>> a huge battle with a huge commitment in time, money and casualties.
>
> And thats different from Iraq, how?

No oil in North Korea?

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"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:M7qdnZjoG8N3jS_d4p2dnA@lmi.net...
> John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
>> would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
>> Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
>> majority of Iraqis feel that way.
>
> We're fighting a losing battle, we've been fighting a losing battle, and
> Rumsfeld and Bush refuse to pull out anyhow. We never should have been there
> in the first place, and they both know it. Of course they aren't going and
> killing soldiers *themselves.* But what they're doing is no better.

While the reasons for going into Iraq in the first place are a bit murky,
the fact is that we're there now, and if we pulled out unilaterally, it
would result in the biggest bloodbath the world has ever seen.

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John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> While the reasons for going into Iraq in the first place are a bit murky,
> the fact is that we're there now, and if we pulled out unilaterally, it
> would result in the biggest bloodbath the world has ever seen.

That's not what you just said.

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In article <ospsc.3259$T17.2125@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:M7qdnZjoG8N3jS_d4p2dnA@lmi.net...
> > John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
> >> would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
> >> Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
> >> majority of Iraqis feel that way.
> >
> > We're fighting a losing battle, we've been fighting a losing battle, and
> > Rumsfeld and Bush refuse to pull out anyhow. We never should have been
> > there
> > in the first place, and they both know it. Of course they aren't going and
> > killing soldiers *themselves.* But what they're doing is no better.
>
> While the reasons for going into Iraq in the first place are a bit murky,
> the fact is that we're there now, and if we pulled out unilaterally, it
> would result in the biggest bloodbath the world has ever seen.

Not even Ralph Nader has suggested pulling out unillaterally. Such a
straw man argument.

http://www.voptnader.org

"Most recently, in the much-publicized meeting with Senator Kerry, Nader
urged withdrawal from Iraq -- something quite different from the
installation of a puppet government and a permanent corporate and
military occupation. Nader told Kerry that announcing a definite date
for real withdrawal would reverse the spiral of violence by giving
mainstream Iraqis a definite stake in an independent government. (There
would be a need for appropriate autonomies for Shiite, Sunnis and
Kurds.) Nader has called for a responsible withdrawal over six months
phased with a neutral peacekeeping force, internationally supervised
elections, continued rebuilding and humanitarian aid and withdrawal of
corporations and troops from Iraq."
http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=18
 
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