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In article <Copsc.3258$J27.2798@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The reason Bush did not accept international aid offers before was
> because those offers were contingent upon the US relinquishing
> much of the right to determine the future of Iraq.

Have you watched the news today. The resolution Bush introduced into the
UN today does EXACTLY THAT.
 
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Yes now getting re-elected donesn't look so easy his pals need to give
up the pork.... till after november

Røbert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<rmarkoff-1976E4.11421724052004@news5.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <Copsc.3258$J27.2798@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > The reason Bush did not accept international aid offers before was
> > because those offers were contingent upon the US relinquishing
> > much of the right to determine the future of Iraq.
>
> Have you watched the news today. The resolution Bush introduced into the
> UN today does EXACTLY THAT.
 
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In article <e0a6369d.0405231959.46e47d7c@posting.google.com>,
Ron <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote:
>....
><http://www.ibm.com/industries/financialservices/pdf/ExploitingtheFullOpportunityof2.5Gand3GNetworks.pdf>
>
> Examples of bit rates and costs of data transmission for 2G, 2.5G
>and
> 3G networks
>
> Bit Rates 2G 2.5G 3G
>
> CDMA Family 19.2 kbps 40-60 kbps 300-600 kbps and up
> (1xRTT)
> GSM Family 9.6-14.4 kbps 20-30 kbps per 144 kbps (high
>mobility)
> GPRS channel to 2Mbps (stationary)
> Cost of $ 0.80 and up $ 0.20 and up $ 0.02 and up
> transmission
> per Mbps

I'm unclear on the intent of this. Is this trying to say
that on average those costs are what it costs the provider
to provide said transmissions? Or is this some sort rates
that IBM charges?
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Say Folks,

I've stayed out of this thread. I avoid political and religious with a
passion, as they all eventually end up with the same answer one day, one
week or as long as one month ... the agreement to disagree.

Would you all make an effort to at least to change the subject header, so
that those folks who don't want to participate in this political discussion
will know to avoid it immediately.

Thanks, Bob
 
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"Bob Smith" <usirsclt_No_Spam_@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Say Folks,
>
> I've stayed out of this thread. I avoid political and religious with a
> passion, as they all eventually end up with the same answer one day, one
> week or as long as one month ... the agreement to disagree.
>
> Would you all make an effort to at least to change the subject header, so
> that those folks who don't want to participate in this political
discussion
> will know to avoid it immediately.
>
> Thanks, Bob

Just to follow up, I already had changed the subject line, but the thread
I'm talking about is "Re: Motorola V60V Now available from Telesales"

Bob
 
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"Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rmarkoff-F4B95D.11315424052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <e0a6369d.0405240755.5206f491@posting.google.com>,
> ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
>
>> The reason we do nothing about N Korea is everyone knows that will be
>> a huge battle with a huge commitment in time, money and casualties.
>
> And thats different from Iraq, how?

1) NK has a huge conventional army
2) NK has nukes
3) NK has China as an ally

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China is more interested in ties with the west than Nk

"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<Bzqsc.3691$hb1.1781@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>...
> "Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rmarkoff-F4B95D.11315424052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> > In article <e0a6369d.0405240755.5206f491@posting.google.com>,
> > ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
> >
> >> The reason we do nothing about N Korea is everyone knows that will be
> >> a huge battle with a huge commitment in time, money and casualties.
> >
> > And thats different from Iraq, how?
>
> 1) NK has a huge conventional army
> 2) NK has nukes
> 3) NK has China as an ally
 
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"Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rmarkoff-1976E4.11421724052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <Copsc.3258$J27.2798@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> The reason Bush did not accept international aid offers before was
>> because those offers were contingent upon the US relinquishing
>> much of the right to determine the future of Iraq.
>
> Have you watched the news today. The resolution Bush introduced into the
> UN today does EXACTLY THAT.

If nothing else, it proves that Bush is flexible. If at first you can't get
things to go 90% your way, then you settle for something that gives
you, say, 60% of what you want. It's called negotiating.

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When bush back pedals and does 180 it is flexibility if Kerry varies
10% he flip-flops. Eye of the beholder I guess

BTW what it proves is bush finally realizes he has lost control of the
situation and is asking the UN for help. Why pray tell did he have to
wait till it was completely out of control to do the right thing?


"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<0Gqsc.3693$D81.3324@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>...
> "Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rmarkoff-1976E4.11421724052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> > In article <Copsc.3258$J27.2798@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
> > "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The reason Bush did not accept international aid offers before was
> >> because those offers were contingent upon the US relinquishing
> >> much of the right to determine the future of Iraq.
> >
> > Have you watched the news today. The resolution Bush introduced into the
> > UN today does EXACTLY THAT.
>
> If nothing else, it proves that Bush is flexible. If at first you can't get
> things to go 90% your way, then you settle for something that gives
> you, say, 60% of what you want. It's called negotiating.
 
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In article <guqsc.3689$q81.1075@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I see you fixated on my throwaway gas price remark and totally ignored
> the rest of my argument. Letting Iraq self-destruct will cause far worse
> world stability problems than what we have now.

Name one person that has suggested "Pull all our troops out tomorrow"?

The closest anyone has come to that is Dennis Kucinish, and even he
would let Iraq self-destruct:

"It was wrong to go in, it is wrong to stay in. We need to get the UN
involved and bring in UN peacekeepers. We need to turn over to the UN
control of the oil to be handled on behalf of the Iraqi people until the
Iraqi people are self-governing, control of the contracts so there will
be no more Halliburton sweetheart deals, no more privatization of Iraq,
and no trying to run the government of Iraq by remote control. We need
to help rebuild Iraq to the extent that we destroyed it, pay reparations
to the families of innocent civilians and noncombatants who have lost
their lives, help to rebuild Iraq, help to pay for a UN peacekeeping
mission, and BRING OUR TROOPS HOME."

http://www.kucinich.us/issues/iraq.php
 
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In article <Bzqsc.3691$hb1.1781@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rmarkoff-F4B95D.11315424052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> > In article <e0a6369d.0405240755.5206f491@posting.google.com>,
> > ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
> >
> >> The reason we do nothing about N Korea is everyone knows that will be
> >> a huge battle with a huge commitment in time, money and casualties.
> >
> > And thats different from Iraq, how?
>
> 1) NK has a huge conventional army
> 2) NK has nukes
> 3) NK has China as an ally

We were told Iraq had nukes too. Ask Cheney.

Cheney is the main cheerleader for attacking Iraq because breaking news
Saddam has chemical and bio weapons. And, he keeps telling us, Saddam
now also has nukes. 9/4/2002



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..htm>
 
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John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> As I have pointed out before (don't you read?) Steven Sobol seems to
> represent that position, as does a sizable minority in this country. That
> position definitely exists, but I agree that it probably won't come to >
> fruition.

I said "get the hell out." I didn't suggest doing so in a haphazard way.
I don't believe Bush supports getting out at all.

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"Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rmarkoff-E2AF74.11412324052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <ospsc.3259$T17.2125@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>> news:M7qdnZjoG8N3jS_d4p2dnA@lmi.net...
>> > John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
>> >> would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
>> >> Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
>> >> majority of Iraqis feel that way.
>> >
>> > We're fighting a losing battle, we've been fighting a losing battle, and
>> > Rumsfeld and Bush refuse to pull out anyhow. We never should have been
>> > there
>> > in the first place, and they both know it. Of course they aren't going and
>> > killing soldiers *themselves.* But what they're doing is no better.
>>
>> While the reasons for going into Iraq in the first place are a bit murky,
>> the fact is that we're there now, and if we pulled out unilaterally, it
>> would result in the biggest bloodbath the world has ever seen.
>
> Not even Ralph Nader has suggested pulling out unillaterally. Such a
> straw man argument.

Not "straw man" at all. I was addressing Steven Sobol's position:
"Get the hell out of Iraq and cut our losses." There is a good-sized
minority in the US who feels that way.

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"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:zqadnQQvgstboS_dRVn-ig@lmi.net...
> John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> I've worked for the Defense Department for 30 years
>
> Heh. That explains the blinders you're apparently wearing.
>
>> The reason Bush did not accept international aid offers before was
>> because those offers were contingent upon the US relinquishing
>> much of the right to determine the future of Iraq
>
> I'm sorry, I didn't realize the US had that right in the first place.

We earned that right by liberating Iraq. Same reason we ran the
Marshall Plan after WW2.

>> did the dying when they liberated Iraq, so *we* should have the
>> major voice in determining Iraq's reconstruction.
>
> Yeah, and we shouldn't have been doing the dying because we shouldn't
> have been sent in in the first place, Mr. We'd-Better-Save-Iraq-So-We-
> Don't-Have-To-Pay-High-Gas-Prices.

Typical red herring argument. You know damn well that gas price was
never my main point, just a throw-away remark.
In another thread I stated that I won't mind if gas goes to $3 a gallon,
because that may get some of those damn SUVs off the road.

> Being a DoD employee, I don't rightfully
> expect you to understand my perspective, since the war is probably partially
> responsible for paying your paycheck.

No more paycheck, I've been retired for several years.
So, working for DoD is now a disreputable occupation? Do you really think
I'm some mindless minion who can't think for himself?

> I have the utmost respect for you as a soldier who had to deal with Vietnam
> first hand. Unfortunately, I'm losing a lot of respect for you regarding your
> opinions on the current war.

Well then you've lost respect for the majority of Americans who still
support the Iraq war. I would hardly lose respect for someone because they
happen to have a different opinion on the Iraq issue than I do.

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John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> much of the right to determine the future of Iraq
>>
>> I'm sorry, I didn't realize the US had that right in the first place.
>
> We earned that right by liberating Iraq. Same reason we ran the
> Marshall Plan after WW2.

We entered Ww2 for a vastly different reason than the reason we entered
Iraq. We had no good reason to enter Iraq.

>> Being a DoD employee, I don't rightfully
>> expect you to understand my perspective, since the war is probably partially
>> responsible for paying your paycheck.
>
> No more paycheck, I've been retired for several years.
> So, working for DoD is now a disreputable occupation? Do you really think
> I'm some mindless minion who can't think for himself?

Nope, and nope.

> Well then you've lost respect for the majority of Americans who still
> support the Iraq war.

So be it. The majority of Americans only support the war because the media
presents stories that push them in that direction. (Until recently, that is.)


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"Ron" <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Scott
>
> I respectfully have to disagree.
>
> We need to support our troops. We do not need to support the people
> that sent them, especially if they are incompetents

Incompetent or not (and I wouldn't disagree), they represent a link in the
chain of command. While I understand the ability to disagree with the
orders, yet support those carrying them out, we (as a country) have done a
pretty shitty job of it. The abuse scandal is a perfect example- the kids
caught in the photos are the focus of this country's wrath. Is there
anybody that truly believes that a General in a nicely decorated office
didn't only know about it, but ordered it? Where is our support for these
kids- kids who have been conditioned to follow orders at all costs. We, as
a country, only support our troops when we get a "touchy-feely" feeling from
it. When things go bad, the 'support' becomes very silent in nature.

>
> BTW Really supporting our troops is something that the people that
> sent them there are NOT doing. While we had men on the ground the GOP
> (fact, not a political statement go look it up) almost cut military
> pay to make the tax cut number line up. A protest signed by all the
> DNC and some GOP members, got that pay cut killed. When the latest
> body armor was available (after 2000) Bush did not sent it to our
> troops. We still have families sending protective gear to their kids.
> That is a disgrace.

No argument there- and we have nobody but ourselves to blame for it. We
continue to value charisma over philosophy when selecting the almighty of
this country. And once they have taken office, there is no rope strong
enough to remove them from office. We, as a society, are no better. Both
the government and people of this country are reactive to a fault. Being an
entitlement society, we only react when the government tells us there is a
problem, and are unable to solve problems without them involved. We don't
ask how much or how long- we let the government determine that, and NEVER do
anything to shake up the status quo. Sure, we may vote a couple out of
office, but they are replaced by the newer model- better connected and even
more power hungry. We, as a society, refuse to get actively involved. THe
experiment will work, but only with the original set of rules in action.

>
> Bush & Co want to give 10 billion to build more Nuke plants (instead
> of solar) but has no money to protect our guys on the front line.
> Explain that one to me please? BTW The GAC report showed there is no
> workable business case for new nuke plants but that isn't stopping
> Bush from pushing it. After all what is better than 10 billion of
> free pork for your pals when you have a tough election to win.
>
>

There hasn't been a workable business case for anything done over the last
eight years or so. Both parties have had their chance, and both have failed
miserably. And given the choices for the next four years, I don't see any
break in the pattern any time soon.
 
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"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > Ask any Viet Nam POW about the tactics used on them, and then tell me
how
> > they compare to the humiliation suffered by the Iraqi prisoners.
>
> Hm. Another place the US military should never have gone.

Yep- no argument there. I just would hate to see these troops treated the
same upon their return. Hopefully, we have grown enough as a society for
that not to happen.

>
> > We don't have to give anyone reasons to hate us- they come up with
plenty of
> > their own. They hated us before 9/11, they hated us before Afghanistan,
> > they hated us before Iraq, and they will hate us after Iraq. Freedom
scares
> > a lot of people, and successful freedom combined with the largest
economy in
> > the world makes people nervous.
>
> We also, as a country, stick our noses where they don't belong and piss
off
> a lot of other people. Sometimes military action is necessary. Often it's
> not.
>
> --

We piss them off, until they need something from us. Then, they are willing
to temporarily look the other way while they hold out their hands. How much
would our country benefit if 50 cents of every dollar sent overseas to
another government remained in-house? And I've got to be honest- if I send
a few billion dollars a year your way, you can expect my nose to be present
in your business. If you don't like it, that's fine, but the gravy train
stops right then and there.
 
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> In article <G4psc.3256$BZ6.3031@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > "Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news😱PKdnU7NrOgz_izd4p2dnA@adelphia.com...
> > >
> > > One last thing- we see the same types of things happen in this country
> > > every
> > > day. Serial killers, sexual predators, child predators to name a few.
I
> > > haven't seen a whole lot of posting on these subjects. Are we saying
that
> > > the treatment of a few Iraqi prisoners is more important to us than
the
> > > treatment of our own citizens? Are you more outraged by the tactics
used
> > > on
> > > prisoners of war
>
> But thats the whole problem you just glossed over. These folks are
> called "illegal combatants", and not accorded any rights under Geneva
> Conventions.
>

No- they have been openly afforded all of the rights under the Gerneva
Convention. Unfortunately, it is under the interpretation of the White
House legal team. The interpretation leaves a lot to be desired. Does
anybody else break out in a sick laugh when that fact is mentioned?
 
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"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> R?bert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Fact is, unlike their opponents, US soldiers do not knowingly target
> >> non-combatants. But, as in any war, mistakes in military intelligence
do
> >> happen.
> >
> > But such attacks destroy our credibility, and insisting it wasnt a
> > wedding makes it worse.
>
> Stop the presses: I agree with Phillipe.
>
> --

But wouldn't you both agree that the effort of the troops on the ground to
minimize these types of things should far outweigh the very infrequent
instances where a mistake occurs?
 
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"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:QJWdndVMDdIY3C_dRVn-vw@lmi.net...
> John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> As far as him giving some of the reconstruction contracts to friends,
>> all politicians do this.
>
> "Because THEY do it" isn't an excuse.

When you find a politician that doesn't let us know.
Chances are, he won't get elected (a la Ralph Nader).

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In article <lHrsc.601$PL7.456@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Well then you've lost respect for the majority of Americans who still
> support the Iraq war.

Duh, the last CNN/Time magazine poll said:

"And 56 percent of those polled say the war is not worth U.S. lives and
other costs."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/14/bush.kerry/index.html

also:

"Sen. John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. He
wins the support of 51 percent of likely voters, compared to 46 percent
for Bush. "


YOU CAN NO LONGER CORRECTLY CLAIM A MAJORITY SUPPORT THE WAR.
 
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I wonder what the poll numbers would be if the question was should be
pack up0 and leave.... I think that is a very dangerous path as well

Røbert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<rmarkoff-02766A.14371824052004@news5.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <lHrsc.601$PL7.456@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Well then you've lost respect for the majority of Americans who still
> > support the Iraq war.
>
> Duh, the last CNN/Time magazine poll said:
>
> "And 56 percent of those polled say the war is not worth U.S. lives and
> other costs."
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/14/bush.kerry/index.html
>
> also:
>
> "Sen. John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. He
> wins the support of 51 percent of likely voters, compared to 46 percent
> for Bush. "
>
>
> YOU CAN NO LONGER CORRECTLY CLAIM A MAJORITY SUPPORT THE WAR.
 
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In article <U2ssc.603$PL7.189@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:QJWdndVMDdIY3C_dRVn-vw@lmi.net...
> > John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> As far as him giving some of the reconstruction contracts to friends,
> >> all politicians do this.
> >
> > "Because THEY do it" isn't an excuse.
>
> When you find a politician that doesn't let us know.
> Chances are, he won't get elected (a la Ralph Nader).

You think Nader doesn't have friends and cronies?
 
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In article <cissc.608$PL7.171@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> As I have pointed out before (don't you read?) Steven Sobol seems to
> represent that position, as does a sizable minority in this country. That
> position definitely exists, but I agree that it probably won't come to
> fruition.

Sorry I long ago PLONKed Sobol, and I don't think that does represent a
sizable minority, and beside I wouldn't trust any figures from you
anymore. You said a Majority of Americans support the war, and the
latest CNN poll says thats not the case.

No responsible politician has suggest pulling out unilaterally. Not
Kerry, Not Clinton, Not Kucinich, not Clark, not Kennedy, not McCain and
not Nader.

Meanwhile, back at rewarding friends, there are those that suggest the
war was started to make business for Halliburton, and even its buddies
in DOD, are with-holding funds from now for overbilling on gasoline and
meals.
 
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"Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rmarkoff-02766A.14371824052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <lHrsc.601$PL7.456@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Well then you've lost respect for the majority of Americans who still
>> support the Iraq war.
>
> Duh, the last CNN/Time magazine poll said:
>
> "And 56 percent of those polled say the war is not worth U.S. lives and
> other costs."
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/14/bush.kerry/index.html
> also:
>
> "Sen. John Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. He
> wins the support of 51 percent of likely voters, compared to 46 percent
> for Bush. "
>
>
> YOU CAN NO LONGER CORRECTLY CLAIM A MAJORITY SUPPORT THE WAR.

Please don't shout, it's not polite.
Results of polls depend greatly on how you phrase the question, and timing.
That particular poll was heavily influenced by the recent Iraqi prisoners scandal.
The same poll also says "More people than not believe that going to
war with Iraq was the right thing to do." As soon as the prisoner news
dies down, support for the war will go back up to where it was in April.
Here's another pertinent quote from that poll:
"Bush appears to have an advantage over Kerry on the war on terrorism
with 49 percent saying he would do a better job, compared to 42 percent
for Kerry. He also had the edge in "moral values" -- 46 percent to 42 percent."

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John Richards