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John

Really? How about allowing an International Coalition to help Iraq
rebuild? Does that give the effort more legitimacy? Any beef with
letting our allies send in more troops and take share the losses?

Bush coghed at the condition that he could not continue to award all
the non-bid contracts to his pals.

I was really amused with SAIC getting the non bid contract to train
jouranlists. I've met with them thier DC office years ago. They are
the ultimate insiders. What qualfies an information security firm to
get huge $$ to run a newspapers? Same thing that qualified WordCom the
no bid contract to rebuild 100% of Iraqs cell phone infra-structure.
B+FYI WorldCom re-sold Altell service, they know marketing but have
never operated or laid a single foot of fiber. Oh yes, what makes
these unqualified company qualified....? Politcal contributions. You
want this guy running the war? I wouldn't let him clean my pool

"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<HG5sc.19888$Y67.18561@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com>...
> "Ron" <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e0a6369d.0405230856.2c8101d9@posting.google.com...
> > BTW I support our troops 120% and believe we MUST succeed. I don't
> > believe Bush understands how to succeed. He fires or ignores anyone
> > who tells him the "emperor has no cloths" then claims bad intelligence
> > when he finds out he is naked.
>
> Monday morning quarterbacking is real easy to do but not very
> helpful. I haven't seen any of the Bush critics come up with a
> better plan on how to run the war in Iraq.
 
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Eric <caperenewal@webtv.net> wrote:

> this" or "should have done that" is insulting and absurd. The images of
> people hecking former the New York Mayor made me sick... *he* didn't
> cause 9/11... he was stunned and shocked like everyone else. Nobody
> had ever faced a challenge like that... it was a few hours of sheer
> panic... and to place blame on someone or a group of people is
> ridiculous.

Giuliani was hated in New York before 9/11 ever happened. That having
been said, I do think he did a damned good job of handling things afterwards.

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In article <22111-40B0DD9F-51@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>,
caperenewal@webtv.net (Eric) wrote:

> ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
> > I have you noticed my posts not being
> > consistent?
>
> No idea what that statement means.
>
> > Often the pork is attached just to make it easy
> > to attack the person who votes no, knowing
> > that most people, like you for example, don't
> > really follow what is going on and only listen
> > to the 30 second propaganda snippets.
>
> I follow politics *very* closely. All I was making a comment on was
> that this thread is about a Motorola phone, and you consistantly talking
> about Bush and politics in a cell phone group and thread. Its sad when
> one cannot just talk and discuss a topic without throwing some stupid
> political nonsense like "there's a place for you in the Bush
> administration" about every other post.

The soon to be Lame Duck Bush administration.
 
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rmarkoff@yahoo.com (Robert M) wrote:
> The soon to be Lame Duck Bush
> administration.

Can I take this that you do not like George W. Bush? I personally
cannot wait until election, but am still undecided as to who to vote
for.

Eric
 
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Eric <caperenewal@webtv.net> wrote:
> rmarkoff@yahoo.com (Robert?M) wrote:
>> The soon to be Lame Duck Bush
>> administration.
>
> Can I take this that you do not like George W. Bush? I personally
> cannot wait until election, but am still undecided as to who to vote
> for.

You mean the murderer? The guy who insists on killing our soldiers for
no good reason?

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In article <22110-40B0F60E-218@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net>,
caperenewal@webtv.net (Eric) wrote:

> rmarkoff@yahoo.com (Robert M) wrote:
> > The soon to be Lame Duck Bush
> > administration.
>
> Can I take this that you do not like George W. Bush? I personally
> cannot wait until election, but am still undecided as to who to vote
> for.
>
> Eric

The one who in 2000 said "We must not be diverted to engage in Nation
Building", or "I would call our Saudi friends and tell them to "Open the
Spigot"", or who on August 6, 2001 had a CIA briefing warning about
Terrorist using Hijacked Airplanes as weapons?. Or who is 2001, 2002,
and 2003 each time said "Just give me this tax cut and we'll quickly
turn around the economy". Or who went to war in Iraq on the say so of
Chalabi?

Only two economies have been turned around by George Bush: India and
Halliburton.
 
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Steve

I was reading about Verizons plan for national access recently. If I
find it I will forward it.

The other thing that looks like it can shake thingks up is WiFi
phones. I guess WiFi is getting some range. Wonder if it will
replace cellular?

Ron

Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:<nIGdnd5JZ76KjSzdRVn-vA@lmi.net>...
> Ron <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Larry
> >
> > Acutally I don't thing Vision is really 3G, more like 2.5G is what I
> > think I read.
>
> Right. When Sprint goes 1xEV-DV it'll be 3G. 1xRTT is 2.5G. Verizon's
> still mostly 2.5G, but they are rolling out EV-DO. Sprint is skipping DO
> and going directly to DV.
>
> > I think Verizon and Sprint are both looking at deploying the same
> > equipment here in the USA. Verizon has some high speed in spot areas
> > but I though I heard them say it would be a national thing by end of
> > year.
>
> They're testing 1xEV-DO in San Diego and DC. I'm a VZW customer as well
> as a Sprint customer and I haven't heard anything about nationwide deployment
> of BroadbandAccess (their brand name for their 1xEV-DO service) yet.
>
> >> 1X is another term for 3rd generation compatible which a phone has to
> >> be in order to be capable of Vision. But some of the phones (such as
> >> the Motorola V60V and Nokia 3588i) have Vision disabled.
>
> Specifically, Vision is 1xRTT, which allows for speeds of up to about 120K.
 
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"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:nIGdnd1JZ75XkyzdRVn-vA@lmi.net...
> Eric <caperenewal@webtv.net> wrote:
>> rmarkoff@yahoo.com (Robert?M) wrote:
>>> The soon to be Lame Duck Bush
>>> administration.
>>
>> Can I take this that you do not like George W. Bush? I personally
>> cannot wait until election, but am still undecided as to who to vote
>> for.
>
> You mean the murderer? The guy who insists on killing our soldiers for
> no good reason?

Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
majority of Iraqis feel that way.

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"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:nIGdndxJZ77TkizdRVn-vA@lmi.net...
> John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "Ron" <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e0a6369d.0405230856.2c8101d9@posting.google.com...
>>> BTW I support our troops 120% and believe we MUST succeed. I don't
>>> believe Bush understands how to succeed. He fires or ignores anyone
>>> who tells him the "emperor has no cloths" then claims bad intelligence
>>> when he finds out he is naked.
>>
>> Monday morning quarterbacking is real easy to do but not very
>> helpful. I haven't seen any of the Bush critics come up with a
>> better plan on how to run the war in Iraq.
>
> Duh, the answer is not to have gone there in the first place.

That's not very helpful at this point. Fact is, the majority of
Democrats agree that we can't just pull out of Iraq and let the
country self-destruct. Iran and Turkey would help themselves to the
best parts of Iraq, with the rest going back to the Stone Age.
You think gas prices are high now...

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In article <eaasc.245$%21.169@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> That's not very helpful at this point. Fact is, the majority of
> Democrats agree that we can't just pull out of Iraq and let the
> country self-destruct.

Yugoslavia went to pieces, and yet they want to hold Iraq together.
Destined to fail.
 
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Interesting, and well made point, yet the Bush doctrine was he would
do it alone and be hailed a hero. All that did not agree with him
where called unpatriotic.

That said Saddam had to go eventually and how to best handle the
vacuum is not an easy question. Yet, it is clear that Bush is
clueless. Hard to know what reality is when your Dad has bought
everything you have ever had.






Røbert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<rmarkoff-71B523.18362823052004@news5.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <eaasc.245$%21.169@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > That's not very helpful at this point. Fact is, the majority of
> > Democrats agree that we can't just pull out of Iraq and let the
> > country self-destruct.
>
> Yugoslavia went to pieces, and yet they want to hold Iraq together.
> Destined to fail.
 
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In article <72asc.243$xX.163@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
"John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:nIGdnd1JZ75XkyzdRVn-vA@lmi.net...
> > Eric <caperenewal@webtv.net> wrote:
> >> rmarkoff@yahoo.com (Robert?M) wrote:
> >>> The soon to be Lame Duck Bush
> >>> administration.
> >>
> >> Can I take this that you do not like George W. Bush? I personally
> >> cannot wait until election, but am still undecided as to who to vote
> >> for.
> >
> > You mean the murderer? The guy who insists on killing our soldiers for
> > no good reason?
>
> Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
> would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
> Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
> majority of Iraqis feel that way.

But we're too busy killing any Iraqi that want to get married.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040523/ap
_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack


Turns out there is so much proof we shot up a plain old wedding, our
military is losing any credibility it had left after the prison photos.
 
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"Røbert M" <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rmarkoff-C1F18E.18383123052004@news5.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <72asc.243$xX.163@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> > news:nIGdnd1JZ75XkyzdRVn-vA@lmi.net...
> > > Eric <caperenewal@webtv.net> wrote:
> > >> rmarkoff@yahoo.com (Robert?M) wrote:
> > >>> The soon to be Lame Duck Bush
> > >>> administration.
> > >>
> > >> Can I take this that you do not like George W. Bush? I personally
> > >> cannot wait until election, but am still undecided as to who to vote
> > >> for.
> > >
> > > You mean the murderer? The guy who insists on killing our soldiers for
> > > no good reason?
> >
> > Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
> > would like nothing better than to return their country back to the
feudal
> > Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
> > majority of Iraqis feel that way.
>
> But we're too busy killing any Iraqi that want to get married.
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20040523/ap
> _on_re_mi_ea/iraq_attack
>
>
> Turns out there is so much proof we shot up a plain old wedding, our
> military is losing any credibility it had left after the prison photos.

But I'll gladly put up with those photos, rather than non-military americans
being decapitated or having their corpses burned and hung from a bridge.
Those photos of the Iraqis were so embarrassing- I'm sure that many of those
depicted will be telling their humiliating story for years to come. I guess
our folks won't get the same chance.
 
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Scott

I respectfully have to disagree.

We need to support our troops. We do not need to support the people
that sent them, especially if they are incompetents

BTW Really supporting our troops is something that the people that
sent them there are NOT doing. While we had men on the ground the GOP
(fact, not a political statement go look it up) almost cut military
pay to make the tax cut number line up. A protest signed by all the
DNC and some GOP members, got that pay cut killed. When the latest
body armor was available (after 2000) Bush did not sent it to our
troops. We still have families sending protective gear to their kids.
That is a disgrace.

Bush & Co want to give 10 billion to build more Nuke plants (instead
of solar) but has no money to protect our guys on the front line.
Explain that one to me please? BTW The GAC report showed there is no
workable business case for new nuke plants but that isn't stopping
Bush from pushing it. After all what is better than 10 billion of
free pork for your pals when you have a tough election to win.


"Scott Stephenson" <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote in message

<snip>
> BTW- I seriously opposed the war, right up until the moment our troops
> engaged their first Iraqi. At that point, anything less than full support
> seemed to be anything but patriotic.
 
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In article <9179-40B1593A-310@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net>,
caperenewal@webtv.net (Eric) wrote:

> How does it make us look to the rest of the
> world that we portrayed ourselves as saviors to that country, and then
> because of a small group of misguided people, end up looking like we are
> no better than the people we are trying to defeat.

But as the story dribbles out, its not a small group. Word is Rumsfeld
et al, were upset that no one had found the WMD, and gave word to be
"more aggressive" in questioning witnesses, some of whom were labeled as
not entitled to any Geneva Convention protocol due to the "Non
Combatant" status. U Cal Berkely's graduation this weekend had protests
about that, as it was one of their Professors that wrote the memo
creating "non Combatants". Then the Baghdad Prison had everything wrong:

- Untrained MPs

- No posted copy of Geneva Protocols

- General from Guantanamo (where everyone was a noncombatant)
sent over to run the shop

- Military Intelligence told they were in Charge

- Prison had 5 times as many detainees as it was capable of holding

- Red Cross complaints were locally squelched

- Red Cross told over 70% of prisoners were wrongly arrested in sweeps.

- Prisoners not properly identified and segregated as to type.


So what has the Army done so far? Court martials for MPs, reprimands for
those intermediates that gave the orders, and now a ban on Cameras.

If there are no pictures, there'll be no abuse.


By now the Washington Post has ALL the pictures, and they'll continue to
dribble out, as Rumsfeld decided to continue to try to cover it up and
not bite the bullet and release all the pictures.
 
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In article <e0a6369d.0405232204.11bfb8c5@posting.google.com>,
ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:

> Interesting, and well made point, yet the Bush doctrine was he would
> do it alone and be hailed a hero. All that did not agree with him
> where called unpatriotic.
>
> That said Saddam had to go eventually and how to best handle the
> vacuum is not an easy question. Yet, it is clear that Bush is
> clueless. Hard to know what reality is when your Dad has bought
> everything you have ever had.

Word is now coming out that WMDs were a disinformation campaign from
Iran sent to the United States by Chalabi.

Bush et al were tricked into war by Iran.

"Saddam" had to go? Fine, but what do we do about the dozens of other
countries with equally despotic rulers? Does the words "NORTH KOREA"
ring a bell? Why does the Civil War in Sudan with MILLIONS killed
continue?
 
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Robert

The civil war in Sudan is over and tourism is coming back. We at
least some folks (like me) are wanting to go to Northern Sudan to go
diving now that the shooting is stopped.

The reason we do nothing about N Korea is everyone knows that will be
a huge battle with a huge commitment in time, money and casualties.
Bush was hoping for a Clinton'eque / Croatian victory where we came,
complete our goals and get out with zero. Croatia is where WWI
started (Crown Prince Ferdinand, etc.... go look it up) and the war
there was a (small) threat to stability in Europe. In that conflict
we had zero, yes zero, US casualties during the war and few
peacekeepers wounded after.

Actually what worries me most is that the US stopped buying (125K each
I think) the old soviet nuke arsenal. To ensure control of the nuke
material after a USSR missile was destroyed the US would pay for demo
and buy dangerous parts. Until 2000 we had a policy of working with
Russia to destroy and control the old nukes. Bush stopped that as
part of his "scr*w the arms treaty, I want a missile defense shield/
star wars" pork barrel policy. Recall that Bush was not concerned with
a suitcase nuke or terrorist attack in 2000 thus we he had us back on
a 50's style 2 front World War footing. Unfortunately after 9/11 this
still is the core if his defense doctrine.



Røbert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<rmarkoff-17A40C.04400424052004@news5.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <e0a6369d.0405232204.11bfb8c5@posting.google.com>,
> ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
>
> > Interesting, and well made point, yet the Bush doctrine was he would
> > do it alone and be hailed a hero. All that did not agree with him
> > where called unpatriotic.
> >
> > That said Saddam had to go eventually and how to best handle the
> > vacuum is not an easy question. Yet, it is clear that Bush is
> > clueless. Hard to know what reality is when your Dad has bought
> > everything you have ever had.
>
> Word is now coming out that WMDs were a disinformation campaign from
> Iran sent to the United States by Chalabi.
>
> Bush et al were tricked into war by Iran.
>
> "Saddam" had to go? Fine, but what do we do about the dozens of other
> countries with equally despotic rulers? Does the words "NORTH KOREA"
> ring a bell? Why does the Civil War in Sudan with MILLIONS killed
> continue?
 
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Bush was not tricked, he wanted to go and was eager for any
justification.

Bush fired or ignored all those (in the Pentagon, his cabinet, Nat
Security) that disagreed with him. Basiucally if you didn;t tell him
what he wanted to here you were toast.

Røbert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<rmarkoff-17A40C.04400424052004@news5.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <e0a6369d.0405232204.11bfb8c5@posting.google.com>,
> ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
>
> > Interesting, and well made point, yet the Bush doctrine was he would
> > do it alone and be hailed a hero. All that did not agree with him
> > where called unpatriotic.
> >
> > That said Saddam had to go eventually and how to best handle the
> > vacuum is not an easy question. Yet, it is clear that Bush is
> > clueless. Hard to know what reality is when your Dad has bought
> > everything you have ever had.
>
> Word is now coming out that WMDs were a disinformation campaign from
> Iran sent to the United States by Chalabi.
>
> Bush et al were tricked into war by Iran.
>
> "Saddam" had to go? Fine, but what do we do about the dozens of other
> countries with equally despotic rulers? Does the words "NORTH KOREA"
> ring a bell? Why does the Civil War in Sudan with MILLIONS killed
> continue?
 
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John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Huh? The only ones killing our soldiers are the Muslim fanatics who
> would like nothing better than to return their country back to the feudal
> Stone Age, where women are equivalent to cattle. I doubt that the
> majority of Iraqis feel that way.

We're fighting a losing battle, we've been fighting a losing battle, and
Rumsfeld and Bush refuse to pull out anyhow. We never should have been there
in the first place, and they both know it. Of course they aren't going and
killing soldiers *themselves.* But what they're doing is no better.

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In article <e0a6369d.0405231959.46e47d7c@posting.google.com>,
ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:

> 40-60 kbps
> (1xRTT)


Why is this half the rate others are touting?



Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Specifically, Vision is 1xRTT, which allows
> for speeds of up to about 120K.

===

Or is 120K a theoretical number for advertising purposes only.
 
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Robert

I didn't post that rate.
You can get 100K+ in 1X but typically you don't. It is a bandwidth
issue.
The faster you are allowed to send the more bandwidth you use. They
are not getting high speed by a new comression alg, it takes data,
data and more data over the air. I am wondering where the freq for
500K is going to come from.

Røbert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<rmarkoff-B44FCA.05133024052004@news5.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <e0a6369d.0405231959.46e47d7c@posting.google.com>,
> ronf957@hotmail.com (Ron) wrote:
>
> > 40-60 kbps
> > (1xRTT)
>
>
> Why is this half the rate others are touting?
>
>
>
> Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:<nIGdnd5JZ76KjSzdRVn-vA@lmi.net>
>
> > Specifically, Vision is 1xRTT, which allows
> > for speeds of up to about 120K.
>
> ===
>
> Or is 120K a theoretical number for advertising purposes only.
 
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Scott Stephenson <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> wrote:

> Ask any Viet Nam POW about the tactics used on them, and then tell me how
> they compare to the humiliation suffered by the Iraqi prisoners.

Hm. Another place the US military should never have gone.

> We don't have to give anyone reasons to hate us- they come up with plenty of
> their own. They hated us before 9/11, they hated us before Afghanistan,
> they hated us before Iraq, and they will hate us after Iraq. Freedom scares
> a lot of people, and successful freedom combined with the largest economy in
> the world makes people nervous.

We also, as a country, stick our noses where they don't belong and piss off
a lot of other people. Sometimes military action is necessary. Often it's
not.

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John Richards <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@no.spam.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I've worked for the Defense Department for 30 years

Heh. That explains the blinders you're apparently wearing.

> The reason Bush did not accept international aid offers before was
> because those offers were contingent upon the US relinquishing
> much of the right to determine the future of Iraq

I'm sorry, I didn't realize the US had that right in the first place.

> did the dying when they liberated Iraq, so *we* should have the
> major voice in determining Iraq's reconstruction.

Yeah, and we shouldn't have been doing the dying because we shouldn't
have been sent in in the first place, Mr. We'd-Better-Save-Iraq-So-We-
Don't-Have-To-Pay-High-Gas-Prices. Being a DoD employee, I don't rightfully
expect you to understand my perspective, since the war is probably partially
responsible for paying your paycheck.

I have the utmost respect for you as a soldier who had to deal with Vietnam
first hand. Unfortunately, I'm losing a lot of respect for you regarding your
opinions on the current war.

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R?bert M <rmarkoff@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <eaasc.245$%21.169@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
> "John Richards" <supportdesk70-NO-SPAM@NO.SPAM.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> That's not very helpful at this point. Fact is, the majority of
>> Democrats agree that we can't just pull out of Iraq and let the
>> country self-destruct.
>
> Yugoslavia went to pieces, and yet they want to hold Iraq together.
> Destined to fail.

Hey, and what were we supposed to be doing in Somalia?

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Ron <ronf957@hotmail.com> wrote:
> John
>
> Really? How about allowing an International Coalition to help Iraq
> rebuild? Does that give the effort more legitimacy? Any beef with
> letting our allies send in more troops and take share the losses?
>
> Bush coghed at the condition that he could not continue to award all
> the non-bid contracts to his pals.

My contention is, and has been all along, that this war is about oil and
money.

You're helping to prove my point.

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