Need help, i5-3750K or i7-3770K?

[shawnalex]

I'm not sure whether to get an i5 or an i7 and my budget is £520 max. I want a computer that will last me a good few years that can manage to tackle future programs and games. People say go for i5 for gaming and i7 for video editing. Well, I do some moderate gaming and also some trans-coding and encoding videos. I don't do video editing so I'm not sure if an i5 is more than capable of doing trans-coding and encoding at a good speed rate. At the moment I have a PC with a dual core processor which takes hours to trans-code and encode small video files. Like I said, if I buy an i5 or i7 desktop, I won't intend to buy another PC or upgrade after a good few years.

I will provide more info if needed. Thanks in advance.

 

[elemein]

For your uses and budget, I actually think the FX-8350 will suit you better.

- FX 8350 and i5-3570K very close in gaming.
- FX 8350 is upgradeable with SR on release. LGA1155 is dead.
- FX 8350 does heavily multi-threaded applications better than the i7-3770K unless a program calls specifically for HT.
- FX 8350 is more balanced for your budget.

 

[Guest]

The wiser decision you will make is to buy a i5 3570K. Because 4 cores of i5 really beats 8cores of 8350 on a reliable basis. I won't take 8350 for long hours of work. If my system will run 12 hours a day. That was not good for an amd processor. I just saying this base on my own experience. I have both systems before. an AMD processors and Intel processors. Then intel wins for long hours of use.

If you will pursue to get and AMD processors. Just add a Water cooling system for an Instance.

 

[shawnalex]

Thanks for the replies guys, if I go with this AMD processor, is this ok for £511? Would this be okay for a good few years and can handle current/future games and programs?

Power Supply : 500 Watt
Motherboard : Asus M5A78L-M USB3
CPU : AMD FX 8350 Eight Core CPU (turbo 4.2Ghz)
Hard Drive : 1tb Sata Hard Drive
Memory : 8gb DDR3 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance Memory
Graphics Card : ATI 7750 1gb Gddr5

Or an i5-3570K for £502 (or i7-3770K for £507)? Would this be okay for a good few years and can handle current/future games and programs?

Power Supply : 500 Watt
Motherboard : Asus P8H61-MX USB3
CPU : Intel I5 3570K Quad Core CPU
Hard Drive : 1tb Sata Hard Drive
Memory : 8gb DDR3 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance Memory
Graphics Card : ATI HD 6670 2gb

 

[elemein]

For your uses and budget, I actually think the FX-8350 will suit you better.

- FX 8350 and i5-3570K very close in gaming.
- FX 8350 is upgradeable with SR on release. LGA1155 is dead.
- FX 8350 does heavily multi-threaded applications better than the i7-3770K unless a program calls specifically for HT.
- FX 8350 is more balanced for your budget.

Thanks for the reply, if I go with this AMD processor, is this ok for £511? Would this be okay for a good few years and can handle current/future games and programs?

Power Supply : 500 Watt
Motherboard : Asus M5A78L-M USB3
CPU : AMD FX 8350 Eight Core CPU (turbo 4.2Ghz)
Hard Drive : 1tb Sata Hard Drive
Memory : 8gb DDR3 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance Memory
Graphics Card : ATI 7750 1gb Gddr5

- Which PSU specifically?
- That Asus chipset is a bit limiting
- Maybe you'd want to drop down to 8320 instead?
- Which HDD?
- Memory is good.
- Gaming on a 7750 isn't exactly a great idea.

Would you like me to make a build?

 

[shawnalex]

- Which PSU specifically?
- That Asus chipset is a bit limiting
- Maybe you'd want to drop down to 8320 instead?
- Which HDD?
- Memory is good.
- Gaming on a 7750 isn't exactly a great idea.

Would you like me to make a build?

To be honest I'm not interested in AMD. Please look at my updated message above with the i5/i7 spec. Is that ok? The lower end PCs are more or less all using the same motherboard whereas the higher end PC's are using the better motherboards

 

[elemein]

- Which PSU specifically?
- That Asus chipset is a bit limiting
- Maybe you'd want to drop down to 8320 instead?
- Which HDD?
- Memory is good.
- Gaming on a 7750 isn't exactly a great idea.

Would you like me to make a build?

To be honest I'm not interested in AMD. Please look at my updated message above with the i5/i7 spec. Is that ok? The lower end PCs are more or less all using the same motherboard whereas the higher end PC's are using the better motherboards

The 6670 is not a good gaming GPU.

 

[shawnalex]

The 6670 is not a good gaming GPU.

Ok. What if I told you I'm not interested in playing games that are multi-platform to PS3 or Xbox (games like - Crysis, Battfield, Assassins Creed series, etc.) but games that are MOBA, MMO's MMORPG's, etc.

Or are you just saying you don't recommend the 6670 at all?

 

[elemein]

The 6670 is not a good gaming GPU.

Ok. What if I told you I'm not interested in playing games that are multi-platform to PS3 or Xbox (games like - Crysis, Battfield, Assassins Creed series, etc.) but games that are MOBA, MMO's MMORPG's, etc.

Or are you just saying you don't recommend the 6670 at all?

There are many MMOs that load a GPU harder than even some cross platform games. GW2 comes to mind. The 6670 will work, but I dont reccomend it.

What I'm trying to explain is that your budget dowsnt really warrant a top end CPU. It's like putting a 7.0L V12 into a low budget car, then skimping on the tires. It'll work, but you can get so much more with a balanced build.

 

[shawnalex]

There are many MMOs that load a GPU harder than even some cross platform games. GW2 comes to mind. The 6670 will work, but I dont reccomend it.

What I'm trying to explain is that your budget dowsnt really warrant a top end CPU. It's like putting a 7.0L V12 into a low budget car, then skimping on the tires. It'll work, but you can get so much more with a balanced build.

Thanks you've given some great advice to me so far. Since you build computers, what would you say is a balanced i5k/i7k desktop build for a budget of £520 (yes lowering my max budget now)?

 

[elemein]

There are many MMOs that load a GPU harder than even some cross platform games. GW2 comes to mind. The 6670 will work, but I dont reccomend it.

What I'm trying to explain is that your budget dowsnt really warrant a top end CPU. It's like putting a 7.0L V12 into a low budget car, then skimping on the tires. It'll work, but you can get so much more with a balanced build.

Thanks you've given some great advice to me so far. Since you build computers, what would you say is a balanced i5k/i7k desktop build for a budget of £520 (yes lowering my max budget now)?

Does the processor need to be unlocked?

 

[shawnalex]

There are many MMOs that load a GPU harder than even some cross platform games. GW2 comes to mind. The 6670 will work, but I dont reccomend it.

What I'm trying to explain is that your budget dowsnt really warrant a top end CPU. It's like putting a 7.0L V12 into a low budget car, then skimping on the tires. It'll work, but you can get so much more with a balanced build.

Thanks you've given some great advice to me so far. Since you build computers, what would you say is a balanced i5k/i7k desktop build for a budget of £520 (yes lowering my max budget now)?

Does the processor need to be unlocked?

No it doesn't need to be overclocked or have the overclocking feature.

 

[ericjohn004]

Your going to WANT the overclocking feature. The i5 3570k is perfect for gaming. Absolutely perfect. If you going for a gaming build then there's no reason to even consider AMD. Maybe if you were doing a lot of multithreading, and maybe just a little gaming, then the 8350's alright. But for strictly gaming, the 3570k is the best processor you can buy.

You can get a 3570k and an Asrock Pro3 motherboard for 305$. If you don't want to overclock, then get the i5 3350P with the Asrock Pro3. I think you should get a z77 motherboard regardless. It has USB 3.0, SATAIII, SLI capable. And for only 94.99 you can't beat that.

A good graphics card for you would be a GTX650Ti for 124.99. Or if you must spend less than that, then get a 7770Ghz Edition for 99.99. The 7770Ghz Edition is still good enough to play plenty games at 1920x1080 if you lower the settings a little. The 6670 is two years old now. No reason to get old tech that doesn't even come close to the performance of a 7770. The 6670 can barely play MMO's on lower settings.

So for the CPU, GPU, and MoBo it'll run you about 405$. Which I think is about 330 euro(close to it). So you'll still have 200 euros left to get RAM, PSU, HDD DVD drive, and case.

Btw, you really don't want an AMD CPU if you play MMO's. MMO's mostly require only 2 cores. AMD's processors only work well if all 8 threads are being used. Intel processors work well no matter how many cores or threads are being used. So I wouldn't but an AMD for this specific situation.

 

[elemein]

-snip-

You do know they get VERY different prices in the UK than they do here, right?

Working on that build now, see what I can do.

 

[elemein]

Here ya go:

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/115Cr
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/115Cr/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/115Cr/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3330 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£131.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 PRO3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£60.00 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Intel Extreme Master, Limited Ed 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£41.45 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.06 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7790 1GB Video Card (£111.96 @ Dabs)
Case: Cooler Master Force 500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£32.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: OCZ ZT 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply (£71.97 @ Dabs)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£10.68 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £511.10
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-29 21:22 BST+0100)

@ eric: A 7770 and an i5-3570K was NOT gonna happen.

 

[shawnalex]

Thanks for the build elemein. Well I decided I'm going to raise my budget to range from £500-700.

Well, I don't think I'm going to overclock anytime soon but if I don't decide to overclock, should I still stick with the i5-3330? If I do decide to overclock, am I going to need to get a CPU cooler or more fans? If that is the case, then I'm not interested in spending the extra money to boost performance. I'm assuming you chose that processor so that it fits into the budget I mentioned earlier. Reason why I raised the budget is because I've decided to get a monitor with HDMI support which is going to cost around an extra £100 the AOC e2343Fi 60Hz 23.0" Monitor.

So basically I used the website (PCPartPicker) to check if the CPU i5-3570(K) still remains in my budget (which it does) with the current build you provided earlier. But do you advise to stay with the i5-3330 or change to the i5-3570(K) even if I'm not going to overclock anytime soon?

 

[elemein]

Thanks for the build elemein. Well I decided I'm going to raise my budget to range from £500-700.

Well, I don't think I'm going to overclock anytime soon but if I don't decide to overclock, should I still stick with the i5-3330? If I do decide to overclock, am I going to need to get a CPU cooler or more fans? If that is the case, then I'm not interested in spending the extra money to boost performance. I'm assuming you chose that processor so that it fits into the budget I mentioned earlier. Reason why I raised the budget is because I've decided to get a monitor with HDMI support which is going to cost around an extra £100 the AOC e2343Fi 60Hz 23.0" Monitor.

So basically I used the website (PCPartPicker) to check if the CPU i5-3570(K) still remains in my budget (which it does) with the current build you provided earlier. But do you advise to stay with the i5-3330 or change to the i5-3570(K) even if I'm not going to overclock anytime soon?

- You do not need new cooling parts to overclock. If you decide you want to overclock very highly and ambitiously however, then it is highly reccomended you do. In order to overclock, you should have an unlocked processor (denoted with a K), and a Z75 or Z77 chipset motherboard. This can raise the cost of the rig quite a bit.

- If you do not want to overclock, it'd be best to stick with the i5-3330; it's performance is nearly identical in gaming.

- I'll get working on a build with that new budget now. Will post in a little while.

 

[shawnalex]

- You do not need new cooling parts to overclock. If you decide you want to overclock very highly and ambitiously however, then it is highly reccomended you do. In order to overclock, you should have an unlocked processor (denoted with a K), and a Z75 or Z77 chipset motherboard. This can raise the cost of the rig quite a bit.

- If you do not want to overclock, it'd be best to stick with the i5-3330; it's performance is nearly identical in gaming.

- I'll get working on a build with that new budget now. Will post in a little while.

Yeah, I too think I'm better off with the i5-3330 if I'm not going to overclock. Ok, I'll stick with the i5-3330 then and not bother with overclocking, also saving me money. Also, just to let you know, I don't intend to make sure the cost of the rig is exact £700. Just an estimate of how much I might be willing to pay. Once again, I thank you for the help your giving me. If there's any way to give you rep I would once this all finishes

 

[elemein]

- You do not need new cooling parts to overclock. If you decide you want to overclock very highly and ambitiously however, then it is highly reccomended you do. In order to overclock, you should have an unlocked processor (denoted with a K), and a Z75 or Z77 chipset motherboard. This can raise the cost of the rig quite a bit.

- If you do not want to overclock, it'd be best to stick with the i5-3330; it's performance is nearly identical in gaming.

- I'll get working on a build with that new budget now. Will post in a little while.

Yeah, I too think I'm better off with the i5-3330 if I'm not going to overclock. Ok, I'll stick with the i5-3330 then and not bother with overclocking, also saving me money. Also, just to let you know, I don't intend to make sure the cost of the rig is exact £700. Just an estimate of how much I might be willing to pay. Once again, I thank you for the help your giving me. If there's any way to give you rep I would once this all finishes

Try this:
PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/11uTh
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/11uTh/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/11uTh/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£143.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 PRO3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£60.00 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£38.91 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.06 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (£287.99 @ Aria PC)
Case: Cooler Master Force 500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£32.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£72.96 @ Dabs)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£10.54 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £697.44
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-31 04:25 BST+0100)

I decided to go for the 3470 instead as there was extra money in the budget. The GTX670 is truly an amazing GPU as well.

Also, keep in mind there is the option of waiting for Haswell. Just mentioning it.

 

[Gennaios]

go for the middle solution the i7-3770!

 

[elemein]

go for the middle solution the i7-3770!

What? Why would he possibly do that? He's gaming, the i7-3770 is completely not cost efficient whatsoever, and how in the world is that "the middle" solution?

 

[Gennaios]

why bla bla!did you read what he wrote!he wants to play games and use the cpu for video encoding!the i7 for gaming would be wasted but if he does some encoding than yes!think smart why is that the middle solution according to his title!ridiculous

 

[shawnalex]

Try this:
PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/11uTh
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/11uTh/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/11uTh/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£143.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 PRO3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£60.00 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£38.91 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£50.06 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (£287.99 @ Aria PC)
Case: Cooler Master Force 500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£32.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£72.96 @ Dabs)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£10.54 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £697.44
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-05-31 04:25 BST+0100)

I decided to go for the 3470 instead as there was extra money in the budget. The GTX670 is truly an amazing GPU as well.

Also, keep in mind there is the option of waiting for Haswell. Just mentioning it.

Yeah...about this built, I think you forgot that I mentioned 1 or 2 posts ago that I raised my budget so that I can buy a monitor with HDMI support which costs £100. Love the build you provided but it's over the budget when I add the monitor along. The first build you gave me totaled up to around £600+ along with the monitor (I added that myself). I think the first build you provided is good but if better components can be added that fits into my budget, then I might consider it or just use the first build you provided. Sorry if I did not make myself clear enough that I'm going to also purchase a monitor with HDMI support that would be included within my budget 🙁

 

[elemein]

why bla bla!did you read what he wrote!he wants to play games and use the cpu for video encoding!the i7 for gaming would be wasted but if he does some encoding than yes!think smart why is that the middle solution according to his title!ridiculous

A "!" does not substitute a period.

The i7-3770 does not fit his budget. If it was put in, it would be imbalanced, you'd need to cheap out on the GPU.
Also, his primary use is gaming.

The i5 will do very well in his budget.

 

[elemein]

Yeah...about this built, I think you forgot that I mentioned 1 or 2 posts ago that I raised my budget so that I can buy a monitor with HDMI support which costs £100. Love the build you provided but it's over the budget when I add the monitor along. The first build you gave me totaled up to around £600+ along with the monitor (I added that myself). I think the first build you provided is good but if better components can be added that fits into my budget, then I might consider it or just use the first build you provided. Sorry if I did not make myself clear enough that I'm going to also purchase a monitor with HDMI support 🙁

So you are actually asking for a 600 budget build instead of a 700?