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Hello,
I'm planning on new PC purchase now and would really appreciate any advice I can get. I've done a lot of research into building my own system for the first time or buying prebuilt. All I hear people say is build your own because you will save hundreds and be getting better parts. However, that does not seem to be true in the research I've done.

The pc I'm considering purchasing is from cyberpowerpc.com. I configured the pc through the customize option to have all brand name parts such as corsair & msi for everything from the motherboard to the psu, ram, ssd and liquid cooling, etc. the out the door price for this cyberpowerpc with all brand name parts comes to $1453

According to all the research I've done, to purchase the exact same parts separately to build the pc myself would cost a minimum of $1560 plus tax which would put the final cost well over $200 more then the cyberpowerpc and that's just for the same main components and doesn't even include the extras I'd be getting with the prebuilt pc. This is according to pcpartpicker, newegg and amazon.

My question is, should I pull the trigger on this prebuilt pc from cyberpowerpc or is there any reason to spend over $200 more to build the same pc myself or is there something I'm not understanding here when people say you will save hundreds to build the pc yourself?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you
 
Solution
Building it yourself is not always cheaper.
And cheaper should not be the only determinant.

1. You get to choose your parts list from ALL available options, not just what CyberPower has. Even if you do get to customize from their parts list.

2. And this is the main thing....you gain a much deeper understanding of how everything went together.
6 months from now, when there is an issue...you won't simply consider it a black box, beyond your ken to fix it.
You will know exactly how it was put together, and where the issue might be.

But...not everyone is ready to start with a pile of parts boxes and end up with a functional system.
Most semi-intelligent 12 year olds can do it, though.


I guess you're right that this is definitely the exception to the rule since normally there would not be so many sales / discounts you can combine and then the cost to build yourself would be much cheaper. However, the fact that all these discounts going on now that you can combine, is it worth it to go for it since its brand name parts and not cyberpowerpc parts or am I asking for trouble if I purchase from this company?
 


Oh I'm in absolute agreement with you. Cyberpower is definitely overpriced when it comes to prebuilts, and their deals and promo codes usually don't justify it vs. building it yourself. If I'm paying $1500 for a system I want to make damn sure I know about every component that goes into it. Believe me I've been burned by bad hardware before, I know what it's like. I usually don't go by customer reviews, because a lot of times you don't know the whole story. I've heard way too many horror stories about Cyberpower to be able to comfortably recommend them, from when I first started here to very recently. NZXT has their own prebuilt service now and it's comparable to Cyberpower but I'm seeing mixed reviews of it, I would need to know more before recommending them.
 
Building it yourself is not always cheaper.
And cheaper should not be the only determinant.

1. You get to choose your parts list from ALL available options, not just what CyberPower has. Even if you do get to customize from their parts list.

2. And this is the main thing....you gain a much deeper understanding of how everything went together.
6 months from now, when there is an issue...you won't simply consider it a black box, beyond your ken to fix it.
You will know exactly how it was put together, and where the issue might be.

But...not everyone is ready to start with a pile of parts boxes and end up with a functional system.
Most semi-intelligent 12 year olds can do it, though.
 
Solution
Thanks for everyone's help! The more I think about it the more I realize that I am trying to convince myself that purchasing from cyberpower might be okay and I know from prior that with my luck it will probably turn out bad and I will regret it so I will just go with my gut and forget about this company. Didn't help that when I called them now to ask a couple simple questions about the parts I would receive with this build, they were very rude! Is this is before I even purchased anything so I can only imagine how they might act once they already have my money and if I had an issue...
I think I will just build my own since I now know that there are people willing to help if I should run into any issues during the build which means a lot! Also, I don't think newegg charges tax in NY which would make purchasing the parts I want more feasible. I do game but will use this new PC for more photo & video editing so do you think a gtx 1060 will be okay or should I suck it up and purchase the 1070? (the 1080 would no question be out of my price range)
 
I would purchase the 1070. Don't settle. What if? I don't want any of those.

but will use this new PC for more photo & video editing

That leads me to like the 1700 from Ryzen with a B350 board

SOmething like PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($299.39 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard ($127.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($112.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card ($373.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.33 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG - WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1238.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-14 22:01 EDT-0400
 
You can then click on the link up there or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9psV9W . Then click on Edit this parts list so you can add your peripherals.

Let the record show that this build comes in at much less than $1560.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($299.39 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard ($127.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($112.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card ($373.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V31 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.98 @ Directron)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.33 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG - WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Redragon - K555 INDRAH RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech - G502 Wired Optical Mouse ($59.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $1368.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-14 22:19 EDT-0400

Why the USB Wireless? PCIe wireless will be quicker and of course ethernet even quicker.
 
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So I decided to go with everyone's advice & build my own PC. I placed an order with Newegg last night for over $1500 because they are offering slight sales on some items (or at least they claim to be) for example the MSI Z270 Pro Carbon motherboard I ordered from them is advertised that it comes with a free wifi/Bluetooth pcie adapter (intel 8265ngw ) apparently valued at $65. As well as some other "free gifts" with the purchase of other parts I made.
During the checkout process it showed all these items & the free gifts in my cart, so I placed the order. I was looking over the order confirmation email today and noticed that there were 2 items missing from the order but I was still charged the same price. So I called newegg & spoke with CS & eventually a supervisor & was told by both that newegg is out of stock on the wifi/Bluetooth adapter & the other free gift so I will not be receiving them. I mentioned that these items were part of my order when I paid and I do not mind to wait for them if they are out of stock now but I was told that would not happen and I would not receive them! When I asked how they can take items out of my order but still charge me the same price without even notifying me, I was told that they can understand my frustration and feeling like I've been lied to and scammed but they do not consider this a big deal! When I informed them that the same items ARE STILL being advertised as coming with extra items and the extra items are still showing up in the cart and during checkout when you add the motherboard to the cart, I was told that they are aware of this but whomever orders these items WILL NOT be receiving the items they thing they're paying for, will not be notified of this and charged the same price anyway!!
I got so angry that I cancelled my entire order on the spot! How can they lie and cheat people like this?! The motherboard is still even now being advertised as coming with the wifi/Bluetooth pcie adapter! However, you will not receive it if you place the order and for people that do not scrutinize the confirmation email, they will not even know they won't be receiving what they thought they paid for because newegg does not even notify you that they are not sending you an item you paid for!! I think this is disgusting and disgraceful for a company like newegg to so blatantly cheat people and they straight out say they do not care when confronted on it!
I am attaching a screenshot of the item taken right now so you can see that the MB is still being offered with the adapter! Here is the link to the screenshot, https://postimg.org/image/tu0f78do5/
I promised the supervisor that I will do my best to get the word out about there disgusting and deceitful practices after I canceled the order so that's why I am posting here to hopefully warn people about this and was hoping the moderators can get the word out to people or call newegg and confront them on this deceitful practices!

Now I have to find a new place to order all the parts for my build again. I really appreciate everyone's
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help on this forum! Thank you everyone!
 
Just wanted to add as to my prior post, it's not even so much the items, it's the disgusting and blatant deceitfulness! I honestly did not expect this from a company as big as Newegg.

I really feel they should have honored their word, not because I was spending over $1500 on that order but because the items were in the cart during checkout when I paid and even today (a day later) still being advertised as the adapter coming with the motherboard!
The absolute worst, most disgusting & unforgivable part in my opinion is that they make these changes, romoving items from the order after a person already paid while charging them the same price and NOT EVEN NOTIFYING them that items have been removed from the order!
The fact that they do not notify customers that they removed items from the order after a person already paid and the fact that they continue to list the adapter as free with the motherboard while they know they will not actually be including anything leads me to believe that all this is done on purpose and they are knowing and purposely cheating people! There is no excuse for that and I never use this disgraceful company again after they admitted to not giving two sh*ts about cheating their customers!
 
Hello everyone,

I was contacted my another csr from newegg now. (I originally told them I would be posting about what occurred everywhere so maybe they saw?)
Anyway, she tried to explain that whole thing was one big misunderstanding & the previous reps I spoke with were misinformed when they said the items were out of stock & apparently the items are still in-stock and there was a "glitch" in the system that removed the items from the order without notifying me and charging the same price. I had already cancelled my order but she assured me that if I were to place it again I will definitely receive those items & if they were for some reason not listed in the confirmation email again, she would personally make sure it got sent out & that neweeg would also credit me back a few bucks for placing a large order and having so much trouble with it. So I went ahead and replaced part of the order again just to make sure everything was okay. Everything looks fine so far and the items are now listed on the new email confirmation I received. I was told that I was receive the small credit for all the trouble once I place the full order again, however I did receive a fraud alert email from chase now because of how many times newegg charged substantial charges to the card in the last 24 hours so I decided to wait a day before replacing the remainder of the order & receive the credit they promised me now.

I just wanted to update on what has happened since my last post a few hours ago because I was very angry and said a lot of harsh things about this company and if all this really was a "glitch" in the system and misinformed newegg employees, I felt I owed it to update since I referred to them being deceitful scammers in the previous post. Anyway, once again, I really appreciate everyone's help on this forum and I will continue to update once I receive the parts and put my first build together.
Thanks!
 
Thanks. I have a couple more questions for you now about my build if you don't mind to share some more advice. This is everything I have repurchased so far for the build.
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BntqM8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BntqM8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($327.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($163.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LED 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($120.60 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V51 ATX Mid Tower Case ($96.82 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG - GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($16.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($132.89 @ OutletPC)
Other: MSI Wi-Fi/Bluetooth PCI-E Adapter (Intel 8265NGW) ($44.49 @ B&H)
Total: $1313.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-16 19:53 EDT-0400

I started debating on what to do in regards to the gpu again since I am already hitting the budget I gave myself. Also, I am planning to install windows 10 Pro for my build but a quick google search shows prices anywhere from $15 - $199 Are any of the lower priced ones legit or would it be wise to stay away?

Thanks again
 
Also for a monitor I've been thinking about the new HP 27B curved display for a while now because it seems to be reasonably priced at around $220 a lot of places. Any thoughts on this?
Thanks
 


'Cheap' Windows is 'not legit' Windows.
Seriously. If you see it much cheaper than the major retailers (Newegg/Amazon/Microcenter), it is not legit.

Any particular reason for Win 10 Pro?
 


10 Pro because I am not familiar with Linux and hate the fact that on my current widows 10 home laptop they bar a whole bunch of basic features like encryption of folders & whatnot that they only make available to pro users. Besides, from my recollection to upgrade to pro from home directly from windows cost $100 while for a new install the price diff between them is around $30 from all big box retailers so I figured if I'm gonna go with pro it might as well be now

Also, I figured as much but I see of these sellers for the "cheap" windows pro have hundreds or even thousands of positive feedbacks on the google search so I thought I should ask if maybe someone here tried it and had a good outcome...
 


That sucks. It sounds like a nightmare. You don't get charged for the promo items, if you look closely at your receipt, those items do get deducted. The prices are there for inventory purposes. I figured that out when I got my new laptop and they charged me $150 for a promo item, but they deducted it at the end. I've ordered a ton of stuff from Newegg over the years but this might be one of the first I've ever heard of something like that.
 
Hey everyone,

So this is what I decided to go with & everything I have purchased so far. I decided to go with the zotac 1060 amp for now since the cheapest 1070 I could find was at least $150 more & 1080's at least $250 more. However, I purchased it from Amazon because they're usually very good about letting you return/exchange within 30 days if I decide to upgrade. ( I paid $260 after tax for it)

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRsrQV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRsrQV/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - Z270 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($166.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LED 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($120.60 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($299.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V51 ATX Mid Tower Case ($114.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($95.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG - WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($49.50 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($132.89 @ OutletPC)
Other: MSI Wi-Fi/Bluetooth PCI-E Adapter (Intel 8265NGW)
Total: $1650.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-17 21:19 EDT-0400

I've never built a PC before so I really hope I made the right decision and that it doesn't turn out to be much more complicated then I am expecting... I will continue to update if anyone would like once I receive everything in a few days and complete the build. Also any tips would be greatly appreciated

Thanks!
 
Hey guys,

I am still waiting on delivery for most of the components for the build. I have a quick question and as always I would really appreciate all the advice I can get. As I previously mentioned, I will be using this build for some gaming but primarily for editing. So I decided to start with the GTX 1060 and see how it goes because building my own PC instead purchasing the prebuilt cyberpowerpc we previously discussed is costing more & has already put over the budget I gave myself. That being said the GTX 1060 can be returned / exchanged within the first 30 days if I decide to get the 1070 instead.

Now for the question, Should I get the Zotac 1060 AMP! 6GB card or the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 DirectX 12 GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING X+ 6GB card?

Both cards are $299 retail but the Zotac card I purchased (it can still canceled now since it has not shipped yet) directly from Amazon was USED-LIKE NEW card (described as a new card with some damage to the box) was $265 after tax (free shipping) However, the MSI card on newegg right now is $299 but with a $30 MIR for a total cost of $269 since they do not charge tax in NY. Since both cards are about the same price I am not sure which is a better card for me? I think Amazon customer service is a million times better then newegg CS but Amazon charges tax in NY where as Newegg does not. So if I were to purchase the MSI card it would be from Newegg or if I keep the Zotac card it would be from Amazon.

Does anyone have any advice as to which of these 2 gpu's would be better for me needs?

Thanks everyone
 


You really can't go wrong either way. I like both Zotac and MSI cards, they're both solid options.
 


I'm usually a little nervous when starting a build and I always mess up something, but it's always been something that I could fix. Maybe I didn't seat something properly or a cable is loose or blocking a fan. But having the experience of building it gives me the ability to fix it because I know exactly what's in it. That's one reason I prefer my own build, even if I pay a little more. Does the prebuilt unit really have all the retail parts in standard form in a standard case that can be upgraded the same way as the one I built? I've never seen that. All the prebuilt machines I've seen are difficult or impossible to upgrade with nonstandard cases and connections, i.e., shortcuts that lower their costs and drive me nuts.

It seems to me the question is, do you really want to build it or not? If so, go ahead and take the risk. You'll be glad you did.
 


Hey,

So I finally received delivery of all the parts & put the entire thing together. I was actually pretty simple after watching a couple recommended videos for builds. The entire build took me about 2 & half hours but I was taking my time to make sure I was doing everything properly & I ran into a small hiccup when installing windows 10 pro with it not recognizing the Samsung 960 m.2 nvme drive but after realizing I needed to first add the intel rapid storage driver everything went smoothly.
I am happy I went with everyone's advice here & built my own PC instead of purchasing the cyberpower one I mentioned. Not only did building my own give me an added appreciation and knowledge of how all the components come together to make a pc work, I think in the end it was also actually cheaper to build it myself...
The original PC I was considering purchasing from cyberpower was a great price but configuring the PC I built myself on their website (as close to it as possible since they do not offer all the parts I used) came to around $1800 & a quick calculation of what I spent after all the cash back, price match, MIR etc comes to around $1350.

I am adding a picture of my build. Now, I know it's probably nowhere near as nice a job as you guys can probably do but it was the first time I have ever built a PC so please be nice. Here are the links to the pics,




Build is,
Thermaltake V51 power cover edition case
Intel 7700K CPU
MSI Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon
Corsair H100i V2
Corsair Vengeance LED 3000 2x8GB
Samsung 960 M.2 500GB x2
LG Bluray RW drive
Zotac GTX 1060 AMP
Corsair quite LED fans
Intel 8265 PCIe wireless & Bluetooth adapter
EVGA 650w G2 PSU

I think that's everything? Anyway, thanks again everyone! I really appreciate all the advice & recommendations!
Thanks
 


$450 and a far better appreciation of how it went together.
win win.
 


Definitely a win win imho! I am really happy I decided to visit this forum before purchasing anything. I am definitely happy with the outcome thus far and relieved that I probably avoided a nightmare headache by staying away from cyberpowerpc & building it myself after all the horror stories I've read.

Thanks
 
It's good to hear that you're happy with the outcome thus far. You weren't the first to ask and you won't be the last. If there is a single post or member within this post that solved your issue can you please pick their answer as the solution? Yes, this was a community effort, as many questions are. The next person that comes by and searches for Cyberpower may see this post. If you choose a solution you will make it easier for them.