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In article <eRyge.1126$Lu6.1047@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
theOneOne@dodgeit.com says...
> Doug Jacobs wrote:
> > In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>dont be so sure of yourself. They are few, if any DVD players on the
> >>market today that can compare to what the Xbox can bench. Can you say...
> >>720p/1080i upscaling?
> >
> >
> > Upscaling won't be found in the entry-level players, but it is available
> > in other players. In a quick search, I found a player that does do
> > upscaling to 1080i for about $170. Considering you have to at least buy
> > the XBox and the DVD kit, you're already up to about $165.
> >
> > But from what I understand, you have to do some pretty extensive hacking
> > to get the XBox to do this, yes? Replace the CPU and RAM? Or is that
> > just to get some games to play at higher resolutions?
>
> also, check out the screenshots I posted of XBMC.
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/anscv
> http://tinyurl.com/dcdyy
> http://tinyurl.com/8gu6c
> http://tinyurl.com/cngsp
> http://tinyurl.com/bcoz7
> http://tinyurl.com/c738a
> http://tinyurl.com/77wyp
> http://tinyurl.com/844uq
> http://tinyurl.com/de76w
> http://tinyurl.com/c3ete
>
>
>
>


I did, and I have a major woody.
 
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Andrew Stirling wrote:
> "theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
> news:eRyge.1126$Lu6.1047@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Doug Jacobs wrote:
>>
>>>In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>dont be so sure of yourself. They are few, if any DVD players on the
>>>>market today that can compare to what the Xbox can bench. Can you say...
>>>>720p/1080i upscaling?
>>>
>>>
>>>Upscaling won't be found in the entry-level players, but it is available
>>>in other players. In a quick search, I found a player that does do
>>>upscaling to 1080i for about $170. Considering you have to at least buy
>>>the XBox and the DVD kit, you're already up to about $165.
>>>
>>>But from what I understand, you have to do some pretty extensive hacking
>>>to get the XBox to do this, yes? Replace the CPU and RAM? Or is that
>>>just to get some games to play at higher resolutions?
>>
>>also, check out the screenshots I posted of XBMC.
>
>
> Just because something does upscaling doesn't make it great though. There
> are other things which are vitally important to picture and sound quality.
> Just because it's got a tick next to all the boxes doesn't make it good at
> any of them.
>
>
The picture looks outstanding; plain and simple. Similiarly, it supports
5.1/DTS passthrough. Am I stating it is absolutely the best unit you can
buy on the market today for the hightest video/audio sound quality? No.
My point is a. price for performance, nothing can touch it and b. there
are no "media hubs" on the market today as functional, scalable, and
robust. LOL, you sound like you have some sort of vial resentment
torwards it, yet you've never even tried it. I guess if it doesn't cost
an arm and a leg, it must be no good there Sir Stirling Twit. Get a clue.
 
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Fred Liken wrote:
> "theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
> news:6Yzge.914$cd6.220@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Fred Liken wrote:
>>
>>>"theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1Pyge.1122$Lu6.486@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>whattya mean $165. You already HAVE an xbox. Its just icing on the cake
>>>>and only a piece of it's media playback functionality. BTW, my you don't
>>>>need the dvd kit. No extensive hacking, just install XBMC. Replace the
>>>>CPU and and add more RAM for *native* 720p/1080i videos; upscaling works
>>>>great for DVDs.
>>>
>>>
>>>You need a mod, chip?
>>
>>well, you could get away with a soft mod exploit, but the only software
>>that does this is XBMC, so yes, you do need some sort of mod.
>
>
> I'm confused. Does XBMC let you do it with the soft mod exploit? I'm very
> intrigued. Want to see it side by side with an old DVD player.
>
>
hmmm....I think if you do the legwork you can find a side by side.I
don't have the xbox hooked up to a HD (43" sony RPTV, my HDTV CRT is in
the bedroom) but I've heard nothing but outstanding results. FYI, the
DVD player in XBMC is still kind of in BETA. No DVD menu but it should
be completed fairly shortly due too demand. Likwise, if you were only
looking for 480p, the MS dvd player funtion works well, provided you do
a VERY simple Hex Edit of a couple fields. Try registering @ xbox-scene
and xbmc forums and doing a search.
Yes, you can do a soft mod exploit and than re-write you EEPROM I
believe. I think by doing this however, you'd lose any Xbox Live
capability. I would go with the mod chip. You can pick up a solderless
mod for around only $50. And than buy whatever hard drive size you
prefer. If you wanna check out the other features, check out my reply to
Andrew.
 
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yes, I'm quite thrilled with your last points. you summated it pretty
well. It sounds ludicrious to think a powerfully spec'ed system like
the xbox 2 wouldn't be up for the challenge of multi tasking or
"scheduling" as it's deemed by Doug.After reading an article on the new
dual cores coming from Intel, that's exactly what they're intended for
and early benchmarks reflect it. It's to my understanding with this
type or process management, are where the true gains of multi core can
be appreciated b4 widespread software/OS adoption. i.e. You'll be able
to play a game (with no drop in frame rate) while while encoding a
video on your PC. You'd have to think that feat would be even easier on
the box considering its not hosting NT or a bunch of other hungry ,
unecessary software.

You expressed my thoughts in much clearer terms. I would very much
like to see Doug's response :)

Thanks Fred.
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:

> > I'd take the OP's $1000 PIONEER ELITE DVD player over your $29 APEX
> shweet! :) but would you pay $972 more of you fanboy dollars?... is
> the question jerky.

If the only two choices I had were the Apex and the Pioneer Elite, I know
I'd spend the extra money.

The Apex may do an adequate job when connected to most mainstream TVs, but
you're going to be very dissapointed when you hook it up to high-end
display...

Yes, "digital is digital" but there's a lot more to a good DVD player than
simply putting the bits from the disc onto the screen.

For folks who insist on flim-like reproductions of their movies, a $1000
DVD player isn't a whole lot. I've seen pricier units.

Of course, like audio, how much to spend is going to greatly depend on the
person. If you honestly can't see any difference between a $30 APEX and a
$1000 Pioneer Elite player, then, yeah, don't spend the extra money.
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:

> whattya mean $165. You already HAVE an xbox. Its just icing on the cake
> and only a piece of it's media playback functionality. BTW, my you don't
> need the dvd kit. No extensive hacking, just install XBMC. Replace the
> CPU and and add more RAM for *native* 720p/1080i videos; upscaling works
> great for DVDs.

I mean if you had neither a DVD player or XBox, which would you do?
Granted, even if the XBox plus mods are a litte more expensive than the
DVD player, it's still going to be able to play games. But if you're not
interested in games at all, you're still arguing that it makes sense to
buy XBox, yes?
 
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:
>
>> whattya mean $165. You already HAVE an xbox. Its just icing on the cake
>> and only a piece of it's media playback functionality. BTW, my you don't
>> need the dvd kit. No extensive hacking, just install XBMC. Replace the
>> CPU and and add more RAM for *native* 720p/1080i videos; upscaling works
>> great for DVDs.
>
> I mean if you had neither a DVD player or XBox, which would you do?
> Granted, even if the XBox plus mods are a litte more expensive than the
> DVD player, it's still going to be able to play games. But if you're not
> interested in games at all, you're still arguing that it makes sense to
> buy XBox, yes?

Getting back to the initial discussion about the 360 and DVR... What if you
don't want to play games? I could easily see them using the 360 as a
launching point for other DVR appliances and of course, their MCE.
 
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Doug Jacobs wrote:
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:
>
>
>>whattya mean $165. You already HAVE an xbox. Its just icing on the cake
>>and only a piece of it's media playback functionality. BTW, my you don't
>>need the dvd kit. No extensive hacking, just install XBMC. Replace the
>>CPU and and add more RAM for *native* 720p/1080i videos; upscaling works
>>great for DVDs.
>
>
> I mean if you had neither a DVD player or XBox, which would you do?
> Granted, even if the XBox plus mods are a litte more expensive than the
> DVD player, it's still going to be able to play games. But if you're not
> interested in games at all, you're still arguing that it makes sense to
> buy XBox, yes?


well, that wasn't my argument but If you read the feature I listed of
XBMC, isn't it obviously the better deal? Killer GUI, constant updates,
all in one media hub linking every piece of multimedia on the pc to the
living room. If you disagree, than its apparent you want nothing more
than to flame me because any comparison at that price that sez otherwise
is too convoluted for me to even comprehend.


But hey Doug, for the sake of this idiotic argument. Let's say that you
didn't like playing games, didn't care about any kind of multimedia
playback 'cept for playing movies, liked being inconvienenced by
constantly burning and swapping disks for all your media (i.e. family
videos, pics etc.), never took pictures that you wanted to display on a
big screen to friends, hated free radio stations, disliked movie
trailers, never surfed the net for fun multimedia to watch, and lived in
a cave (which would probably support all myriad of sharp contradictions
to a movie fanatic), than yes Doug, you would be correct! :)
 
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Fred Liken wrote:
> "Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
> news:11877lf567mnl6b@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>whattya mean $165. You already HAVE an xbox. Its just icing on the cake
>>>and only a piece of it's media playback functionality. BTW, my you don't
>>>need the dvd kit. No extensive hacking, just install XBMC. Replace the
>>>CPU and and add more RAM for *native* 720p/1080i videos; upscaling works
>>>great for DVDs.
>>
>>I mean if you had neither a DVD player or XBox, which would you do?
>>Granted, even if the XBox plus mods are a litte more expensive than the
>>DVD player, it's still going to be able to play games. But if you're not
>>interested in games at all, you're still arguing that it makes sense to
>>buy XBox, yes?
>
>
> Getting back to the initial discussion about the 360 and DVR... What if you
> don't want to play games? I could easily see them using the 360 as a
> launching point for other DVR appliances and of course, their MCE.
>
>
damn skippy :) Because MS is trying to do this whole convergence thing,
it's a no brainer at least the latter will happen at some point.
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:

> > A DVR is not something I want sharing resources with another
> > resource-intensive application, like a game.

> I'm not really talking about doing both tasks at the same time but with
> object oriented thread management and 2-3 cores (plus GPU), I don't
> think it would be a big problem.

So, I'd have to stop playing my game in order for the box to record a TV
show? That doesn't sound very appealing to me.

Again, I'm more concerned with the memory bus. A DVR is encoding a live
TV signal. Even if you've got an abundance of CPU power to throw at the
problem, you still have to be able to deal with the stream of data coming
in from the TV signal. Writing the data back to disk isn't nearly such a
realtime operation.

And while all this IO is going on, you're going to have a game running as
well - which is another very IO intensive application.

> well, we'll see I guess. I don't think recordings will be fuzzy. Its
> just a matter of porting MCE to the xbox. to tell you the truth ,
> I don't have alot of faith in Microsoft's solution. Too much DRM. I'm
> looking torwards a cracked solution that would allow xvid compressions
> that could record a 30-60 minute show at 300MB @ near dvd quality.

The fuzziness in the recordings is due to how much compression you apply
to the signal. Remember, DVRs do real-time encoding. Faster processors
would allow you to do better compression. I think the Tivo uses an encoded
form of MPEG-2 (I'm not sure.) I'd love to be able to do realtime xvid
compression with no dropped frames. But as it stands now, Tivo turns an
hour of TV into something between 1 and 2 GB, depending on the compression
level. Higher compression results in a fuzzier picture.

> >>HUGE HD huh? how much is a 250GB HD now? a buck fifty?
> >
> >
> > Granted, HD prices continue to drop, but consider this, if you want your
> > DVR to handle HDTV signals, they'll use up roughly 4x what a SD signal
> > uses. Using my Tivo as a guide, that'd mean that a 250GB drive would be
> > able to store ~60 hours at "low quality" (fuzzier than VHS-EP), or ~15
> > hours at "best quality" (nearly lossless compression.)

> sorry compression isn't it? see my last point.

I'm speaking from my experience with Tivo. It doesn't achieve anything
close to xvid due to the lower processing power in the box. And throw in
the fact that a HD signal is going to contain more data than a SD one, so
you'll have to improve processor anyways.
 
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> So, I'd have to stop playing my game in order for the box to record a TV
> show? That doesn't sound very appealing to me.

Ever heard of multitasking? You're acting like the overhead to encode video
using a dedicated sub processor is all that intense.

> Again, I'm more concerned with the memory bus. A DVR is encoding a live
> TV signal. Even if you've got an abundance of CPU power to throw at the
> problem,

DVRs on the market don't use a CPU to encode the signal.

> you still have to be able to deal with the stream of data coming
> in from the TV signal. Writing the data back to disk isn't nearly such a
> realtime operation.

The DVR would be hitting the HDD and the Game would be hitting the CD drive.
They wouldn't be competing for the same resource. Modern buses have plenty
of bandwidth to do both.

> And while all this IO is going on, you're going to have a game running as
> well - which is another very IO intensive application.

Fact is, my friend, that if DVR is indeed in the specs, so will be necessary
support systems. All of which are prefectly mundane.

You really have a wide eye'd overwhelmed view of tech... almost a mystical
haze.

> The fuzziness in the recordings is due to how much compression you apply
> to the signal. Remember, DVRs do real-time encoding. Faster processors
> would allow you to do better compression.

They use dedicated compression hardware. This has been stated time and time
again. Why do you still make such ignorant comments?

>> sorry compression isn't it? see my last point.
>
> I'm speaking from my experience with Tivo. It doesn't achieve anything
> close to xvid due to the lower processing power in the box. And throw in
> the fact that a HD signal is going to contain more data than a SD one, so
> you'll have to improve processor anyways.

The Tivo uses a cheap off the shelf Sony encoder. It's nothing impressive.
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Jim Campey <ugvx@no.jfcsoft.spam.co.uk> wrote:

> The thing is, the people that write/read in these NG's aren't the
> majority of punters. It's highly unlikely that anyone who spends the
> time in here will give a rats arse what their missus thinks because
> we're (semi) dedicated gamers.

That's true.

> But........the average punter buys a white box, brings it home and the
> missus says "WTF is that thing doing here. It aint going under the TV
> that's for sure" (or something similar)

> Or maybe I just pick women who are obsessed with the way things look
> in the house? :)

Maybe. Though I could see my wife giving me some grief about how the
thing would stick out against the silver and black of the other components.

Like I said, maybe it's just a scam to get people to buy one of the
customized faceplates - which you know only cost them pennies to make.
 
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>
> The fuzziness in the recordings is due to how much compression you apply
> to the signal. Remember, DVRs do real-time encoding. Faster processors
> would allow you to do better compression. I think the Tivo uses an encoded
> form of MPEG-2 (I'm not sure.) I'd love to be able to do realtime xvid
> compression with no dropped frames. But as it stands now, Tivo turns an
> hour of TV into something between 1 and 2 GB, depending on the compression
> level. Higher compression results in a fuzzier picture.
>
>
gotcha, you talking about pixelation or blockiness. I've never heard it
put into the terms "fuzzy" b4.
 
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"theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> The fuzziness in the recordings is due to how much compression you apply
>> to the signal. Remember, DVRs do real-time encoding. Faster processors
>> would allow you to do better compression. I think the Tivo uses an
>> encoded
>> form of MPEG-2 (I'm not sure.) I'd love to be able to do realtime xvid
>> compression with no dropped frames. But as it stands now, Tivo turns an
>> hour of TV into something between 1 and 2 GB, depending on the
>> compression level. Higher compression results in a fuzzier picture.
>>
>>
> gotcha, you talking about pixelation or blockiness. I've never heard it
> put into the terms "fuzzy" b4.

They're called "compression artifacts". Just another instance of Doug
talking about something he knows nothing about and making up stuff in his
head to wrap around the unknowns.
 
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In alt.games.video.xbox Fred Liken <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote:

> Getting back to the initial discussion about the 360 and DVR... What if you
> don't want to play games? I could easily see them using the 360 as a
> launching point for other DVR appliances and of course, their MCE.

Yeah, I guess. Though 40GB is very small for a DVR. Replacing the HD
would be one of the first things I'd look at.

The big selling point would be if someone managed to hack the 360 to
record HDTV signals, as that would definitely make the 360 the cheapest
HD-DVR solution on the market.
 
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In alt.games.video.xbox theOne <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote:

> Here is a more elaborate schooling Pip:

> I was checking out your rig: DVR-920H-S. Nice, but a g? C?mon.
> From what I see, there is no Ethernet port. There?s convergence shot to
> hell. No video/audio/picture streaming. It has a 250GB hard drive. Ok,
> $150. As the gentlemen Doug recently mentioned, how much recording is
> that? 15-60 hours of near lossless compression? Pioneer claims over 400
> hours?! At what resolution? Quality after compression? Hmm?.maybe if it
> supported DivX/Xvid you could retain a bit more quality at lower
> bitrates. Clearly consumer DVD burners and current technologies have a
> little further to go. DVD?s current capacity isn?t built for High Def.
> And firewire support for Camcorder dubs? LMAO...what prosumer is going
> to edit their home videos with such a limited tool set??

First, the numbers I quoted were for HD signals. At SD, that's about
~120-240 on a Tivo.

This isn't a Tivo, however. The datasheet quotes 433 hours, though I have
no idea what sort of compression scheme(s) they're using... Obviously,
that's going to be at its highest compression/lowest quality setting.

Even then, this isn't being billed as a media center. And it does 2
things that the XBox CAN'T - record TV shows, and burn DVDs.
 
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"theOne" <cmtipton@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> yes, I'm quite thrilled with your last points. you summated it pretty
> well. It sounds ludicrious to think a powerfully spec'ed system like
> the xbox 2 wouldn't be up for the challenge of multi tasking or
> "scheduling" as it's deemed by Doug.After reading an article on the new
> dual cores coming from Intel, that's exactly what they're intended for
> and early benchmarks reflect it. It's to my understanding with this
> type or process management, are where the true gains of multi core can
> be appreciated b4 widespread software/OS adoption. i.e. You'll be able
> to play a game (with no drop in frame rate) while while encoding a
> video on your PC. You'd have to think that feat would be even easier on
> the box considering its not hosting NT or a bunch of other hungry ,
> unecessary software.
>
> You expressed my thoughts in much clearer terms. I would very much
> like to see Doug's response :)

He's kill filed you by now. He does that when he starts looking foolish.
 
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.games.video.xbox Fred Liken <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote:
>
>> Getting back to the initial discussion about the 360 and DVR... What if
>> you
>> don't want to play games? I could easily see them using the 360 as a
>> launching point for other DVR appliances and of course, their MCE.
>
> Yeah, I guess. Though 40GB is very small for a DVR. Replacing the HD
> would be one of the first things I'd look at.

You can put a really cheap HDD in your PC and use that for the MCE
functionalities. And, the XBox 360 has an end user swappable drive, so it's
kind of a moot point.

> The big selling point would be if someone managed to hack the 360 to
> record HDTV signals, as that would definitely make the 360 the cheapest
> HD-DVR solution on the market.

That's assuming it has the hardware to begin with the encode an HD signal,
granted. The cheapest solution will probably always be a ghetto PC.
 
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:59:01 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:

>Like I said, maybe it's just a scam to get people to buy one of the
>customized faceplates - which you know only cost them pennies to make.

Good point! :)
--
Jim

\\// ||) //\\ \\//
GT: HedCase
//\\ ||) \\// //\\


Everyone hates me because I'm paranoid
 
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Fred Liken wrote:
> "Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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>
>>In alt.games.video.xbox Fred Liken <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Getting back to the initial discussion about the 360 and DVR... What if
>>>you
>>>don't want to play games? I could easily see them using the 360 as a
>>>launching point for other DVR appliances and of course, their MCE.
>>
>>Yeah, I guess. Though 40GB is very small for a DVR. Replacing the HD
>>would be one of the first things I'd look at.
>
>
> You can put a really cheap HDD in your PC and use that for the MCE
> functionalities. And, the XBox 360 has an end user swappable drive, so it's
> kind of a moot point.

I think he missed the key words "launching point". FYI, Fred, you can
use your xbox 1 for a dvr launching point with an python extension of XBMC.
 
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"theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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> Fred Liken wrote:
>> "Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
>> news:1187psbh1apa545@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>In alt.games.video.xbox Fred Liken <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Getting back to the initial discussion about the 360 and DVR... What if
>>>>you
>>>>don't want to play games? I could easily see them using the 360 as a
>>>>launching point for other DVR appliances and of course, their MCE.
>>>
>>>Yeah, I guess. Though 40GB is very small for a DVR. Replacing the HD
>>>would be one of the first things I'd look at.
>>
>>
>> You can put a really cheap HDD in your PC and use that for the MCE
>> functionalities. And, the XBox 360 has an end user swappable drive, so
>> it's kind of a moot point.
>
> I think he missed the key words "launching point". FYI, Fred, you can use
> your xbox 1 for a dvr launching point with an python extension of XBMC.

Doesn't the xbox already have an official MS Media Center package for
viewing MCE content?
 
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 theOne <cmtipton@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, I'm quite thrilled with your last points. you summated it pretty
> well. It sounds ludicrious to think a powerfully spec'ed system like
> the xbox 2 wouldn't be up for the challenge of multi tasking or
> "scheduling" as it's deemed by Doug.After reading an article on the new
> dual cores coming from Intel, that's exactly what they're intended for
> and early benchmarks reflect it. It's to my understanding with this
> type or process management, are where the true gains of multi core can
> be appreciated b4 widespread software/OS adoption. i.e. You'll be able
> to play a game (with no drop in frame rate) while while encoding a
> video on your PC. You'd have to think that feat would be even easier on
> the box considering its not hosting NT or a bunch of other hungry ,
> unecessary software.

I'm still skeptical about whether the memory system would be able to keep
up with 2 very demanding processes running.

The developers - unless told otherwise - are going to assume their game is
going to be the only thing running on the Xbox, and as such are going to
assume they can use all the memory in the system. If you suddenly
introduce a second application - such as a video encoder - it's going to
take up some memory, yes? This could impact the game's performance and
stability.
 
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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> I'm still skeptical about whether the memory system would be able to keep
> up with 2 very demanding processes running.

You're skeptical, but also ignorant of what you're talking about, so par for
the course.

> The developers - unless told otherwise - are going to assume their game is
> going to be the only thing running on the Xbox, and as such are going to
> assume they can use all the memory in the system. If you suddenly
> introduce a second application - such as a video encoder - it's going to
> take up some memory, yes? This could impact the game's performance and
> stability.

At this point, it's actually quite funny you're still harping on that seeing
as it's been explained to you multiple times. The video encoding would be
done in hardware, cheap hardware even, just like the Tivo, etc, etc, etc,
not software. Why is that so hard for you to wrap your little mind around?
lol. As far as performance and memory, the Tivo only has 16 megs, mind you.
It's hardly worth mentioning, even.
 
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Fred Liken wrote:
> "theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
> news:Zc6he.1194$Zk3.706@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>
>>Fred Liken wrote:
>>
>>>"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1187psbh1apa545@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>In alt.games.video.xbox Fred Liken <fredliken@toocool4school.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Getting back to the initial discussion about the 360 and DVR... What if
>>>>>you
>>>>>don't want to play games? I could easily see them using the 360 as a
>>>>>launching point for other DVR appliances and of course, their MCE.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, I guess. Though 40GB is very small for a DVR. Replacing the HD
>>>>would be one of the first things I'd look at.
>>>
>>>
>>>You can put a really cheap HDD in your PC and use that for the MCE
>>>functionalities. And, the XBox 360 has an end user swappable drive, so
>>>it's kind of a moot point.
>>
>>I think he missed the key words "launching point". FYI, Fred, you can use
>>your xbox 1 for a dvr launching point with an python extension of XBMC.
>
>
> Doesn't the xbox already have an official MS Media Center package for
> viewing MCE content?
>
>


dvr-ms? I don't think there is any such thing, but I was referring to TIVO.
 
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"theOne" <theOneOne@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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> Fred Liken wrote:

>>>I think he missed the key words "launching point". FYI, Fred, you can use
>>>your xbox 1 for a dvr launching point with an python extension of XBMC.

>> Doesn't the xbox already have an official MS Media Center package for
>> viewing MCE content?

> dvr-ms? I don't think there is any such thing, but I was referring to
> TIVO.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/xboxmediacenterextender.htm
 
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