Nvidia Announces GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, 2080, 2070 (Developing)

[jimmysmitty]

Honestly I can easily see a $1200 price tag. Real Time ray tracing for the first time ever? That takes a LOT of resources.

More like it WASTES a lot of resources, not to mention all the die space dedicated to even-more-useless-to-gaming AI features. Maybe it's good for a company like Pixar when they upgrade their render farm, but it's going to remain totally useless for gaming, and doubly useless for VR.
Eventually you're going to see some games with a "slightly shiner glass" checkbox that will drop your FPS from 100+ down to 30 (or you'll see dedicated ray tracing games that look like they added enhanced lighting to the PS3), but I can't imagine many developers spending the literal years it will take to bring their engine tech up to that level.
Ray tracing is always going to fall on the wrong side of the "visual fidelity vs resources used" curve. Building out hardware to solve the problem faster doesn't change the fact that it was never a rendering method that was intended to be efficient enough for gaming. Yes, at the highest-end ray tracing looks a lot better than what current gaming tech can render, but "highest end" means a room full of dedicated hardware spending hours to render a single frame. These cards are not going to provide anything anywhere close to that in real time.

This will be a luxury cosmetic feature, only because Nvidia will probably lock it behind Geforce cards. Developers won't use any of this for important features, because then they are also locked to one manufacturer, reducing their player base.

I see it as potentially like PhysX: amazing tech, a lot of potential, but being limited to one hardware relegates it to cosmetic status. We could have physics-based games years ago if Radeons could run PhysX code. I see the same happening to this.

All of these features are available with Microsoft DXR. This is just a hardware version because hardware is better for raytracing than software.

 

[saunupe1911]

HDMI 2.1?

No, 2.0b....even says so on the NVIDIA web site specs....which is...DISAPPOINTING.

It has DisplayPort 1.4 which will drive 4K@>60Hz though....you just won't be able to pass the sound through your AV receiver.

And that's the most disappointing part! I prefer to game passing my sound through my home theater setup. I can probably still get away with this by switching audio output in Windows.

But yeah a lot of people game on small 4k TVs. Sooo many people buy these for their kids gaming setups with 1060s.

 

[mlee 2500]

HDMI 2.1?

No, 2.0b....even says so on the NVIDIA web site specs....which is...DISAPPOINTING.

It has DisplayPort 1.4 which will drive 4K@>60Hz though....you just won't be able to pass the sound through your AV receiver.

My hype just died a little. Are you telling me I can't do anything over 4k at 60fps...? WTF is the point of a 2080TI, or even a 2080 for gaming at this time then...?

YOU CAN, you just have to use the DisplayPort on the card instead of the HDMI.

But yeah, total bummer if you were hoping to pass the audio.

Oh gotcha gotcha. Why would I want to pass the audio? I don't think I've ever even considered plugging my speakers into anything BUT my tower/sound card.

Well, yeah..and you would clearly be in the majority/normal typical use case for doing so.

But, imagine you had a really high end 5.1 or 7.2 conventional speaker system surrounding your monitor, and you wanted surround sound from the 150 Watt AV Amp receiver necessary to drive the speakers decently. Then your only option for passing the Audio to the amp is either in a compressed SPDIF format, using DTS Direct or Dobly Live, which is a total pain in the arse and not even always easily supported, or, much better, passing the audio through over HDMI. Except now if you do that you limit your monitor resolution/frequency.

 

[Jed_King_12]

HDMI 2.1?

No, 2.0b....even says so on the NVIDIA web site specs....which is...DISAPPOINTING.

It has DisplayPort 1.4 which will drive 4K@>60Hz though....you just won't be able to pass the sound through your AV receiver.

My hype just died a little. Are you telling me I can't do anything over 4k at 60fps...? WTF is the point of a 2080TI, or even a 2080 for gaming at this time then...?

YOU CAN, you just have to use the DisplayPort on the card instead of the HDMI.

But yeah, total bummer if you were hoping to pass the audio.

Oh gotcha gotcha. Why would I want to pass the audio? I don't think I've ever even considered plugging my speakers into anything BUT my tower/sound card.

Well, yeah..and you would clearly be in the majority/normal typical use case for doing so.

But, imagine you had a really high end 5.1 or 7.2 conventional speaker system surrounding your monitor, and you wanted surround sound from the 150 Watt AV Amp receiver necessary to drive the speakers decently. Then your only option for passing the Audio to the amp is either in a compressed SPDIF format, using DTS Direct or Dobly Live, which is a total pain in the arse and not even always easily supported, or, much better, passing the audio through over HDMI. Except now if you do that you limit your monitor resolution/frequency.

Hmmm...very interesting. I didn't even know this stuff, so thank you for the information! I wonder why they didn't just slap HDMI 2.1 on the card...how hard would that have been? Or are they going to finally do another xx90 card and include it on that? That just seems silly though...

 

[mlee 2500]

HDMI 2.1?

No, 2.0b....even says so on the NVIDIA web site specs....which is...DISAPPOINTING.

It has DisplayPort 1.4 which will drive 4K@>60Hz though....you just won't be able to pass the sound through your AV receiver.

My hype just died a little. Are you telling me I can't do anything over 4k at 60fps...? WTF is the point of a 2080TI, or even a 2080 for gaming at this time then...?

YOU CAN, you just have to use the DisplayPort on the card instead of the HDMI.

But yeah, total bummer if you were hoping to pass the audio.

Oh gotcha gotcha. Why would I want to pass the audio? I don't think I've ever even considered plugging my speakers into anything BUT my tower/sound card.

Well, yeah..and you would clearly be in the majority/normal typical use case for doing so.

But, imagine you had a really high end 5.1 or 7.2 conventional speaker system surrounding your monitor, and you wanted surround sound from the 150 Watt AV Amp receiver necessary to drive the speakers decently. Then your only option for passing the Audio to the amp is either in a compressed SPDIF format, using DTS Direct or Dobly Live, which is a total pain in the arse and not even always easily supported, or, much better, passing the audio through over HDMI. Except now if you do that you limit your monitor resolution/frequency.

Hmmm...very interesting. I didn't even know this stuff, so thank you for the information! I wonder why they didn't just slap HDMI 2.1 on the card...how hard would that have been? Or are they going to finally do another xx90 card and include it on that? That just seems silly though...

I suspect it's timing...and we're about 6 months to a year out from seeing any HDMI 2.1 supported devices (like TV's, monitors, etc). I had hoped that NVIDIA would future proof this generation of card in anticipation of that, but honestly, by the time you have an HDMI 2.1 monitor you'll probably only be a year or so away from upgrading to the RTX 2180 or whatever.

But yeah...you should totally have Card support before Monitor support

 

[Tolik_]

Wow just wow. Seems like nvidia targeting rich people with this prices, because average consumer can't afford this cards at prices that high.

p.s. I apologize in advance for my english.

 

[saunupe1911]

Wow just wow. Seems like nvidia targeting rich people with this prices, because average consumer can't afford this cards at prices that high.

p.s. I apologize in advance for my english.

Only a few fool would even think about purchasing these day one unless you are reviewer or don't have a card at all! I've got to see benchmark reviews and 3rd party models before I even think about spending a dime. At that rate I probably won't consider a purchase until next summer or even later when liquid cooled versions have released.

 

[timf79]

It will be interesting to see how the 2080TI compares to the TitanXP (since my TitanXP is abotu 6 month old)...

 

[Tolik_]

Wow just wow. Seems like nvidia targeting rich people with this prices, because average consumer can't afford this cards at prices that high.

p.s. I apologize in advance for my english.

Only a few fool would even think about purchasing these day one unless you are reviewer or don't have a card at all! I've got to see benchmark reviews and 3rd party models before I even think about spending a dime. At that rate I probably won't consider a purchase until next summer or even later when liquid cooled versions have released.

Yeah man I hear that. I hope Nvidia realized that most people can't afford cards at this prices.

 

[SkyBill40]

I don't think there are many, outside of some of the more hardcore members on this hardware forum that plan on upgrading their GPU every generation. If you're still happy with your 1080 that's great. There is no need to go out and buy a 2080. I'm still happy with my 1070 that I got a week after launch back in 2016 and I don't plan to upgrade this generation either, especially not with the price increase over the previous generation.

This generation might not be for us but there are still plenty of people rocking a 970, 980, 980 Ti or older card who might be ready to jump now. They really don't need us to upgrade every generation to do well. I'll just plan on moving to a 3070 or an AMD equivalent in 2019 or 2020 when they come out.

Oh, I fully get that. Truth be told, I jumped from a 660Ti to the 1080. I've got bills and responsibilities to address and while I do just fine financially, I don't see the point in upgrading my GPU every revision because computing and gaming are more of a hobby than anything else. You make a good point for those who have waited to make the jump (or may still be waiting) before doling out their hard earned cash. I'll probably keep this 1080 for at least the next two generations beyond this newly released one as I don't really see games taking advantage of my 8GB VRAM unless resolutions of 4k or higher demand it.

I'm sure these are a marvel as far as ability and tech are concerned... but paper releases and specs are just that. I'll reserve judgment and see hard data before buying into Nvidia's boastfulness.

 

[Tolik_]

$1200? What are they smoking? Sure, a lot of people will still buy them, but the VAST majority of those looking to upgrade their 1080ti cards will NOT. This pricing is going to bite them in the a$$.

They are smoking obviously something strong with prices like that.

 

[InvalidError]

$1200? What are they smoking?

Simple: Nvidia can sell fundamentally the same GPU under the Tesla brand for $3000+, so it is already "eating a huge loss" by offering the 2080Ti for 'only' $1200. It doesn't want to sell more 2080Ti than necessary to keep enthusiasts from outright revolting and is pricing them accordingly.

 

[JamesSneed]

Oh how times have changed, just 4 years ago one could get a brand new 980 Ti for $649.

 

[DookieDraws]

Seriously, everyone should start complaining about those ridiculous prices until NVIDIA lowers them. Hit up all the popular tech forums / sites and social media outlets and complain, complain, complain! Hell, even go outside and yell at the sky, if you want. Just be careful not to scare the cat if you do.

You could make a difference! Now let's go!

 

[camieabz]

No need to complain. Just don't part with your cash. Supply and demand. Prices will drop. When gfx is more than 50% of the price of the total PC, it's crazy. I'll not fund that pricing system.

 

[poopflinger]

When gaming at 4k with my 1080ti it is sometimes pushed to using more than 10GB of VRAM. How is an RTX 2080 going to support 4k gaming with only 8GB VRAM?

 

[mlee 2500]

When gaming at 4k with my 1080ti it is sometimes pushed to using more than 10GB of VRAM. How is an RTX 2080 going to support 4k gaming with only 8GB VRAM?

Game developers are not going to assume everyone has a top of the line flag ship GPU with 11GB...and won't for a long time. Like, when everybody has that much.

I often game at 4K, using a GTX 980, which only has 4GB VRAM. In all that time, only on a a few occasions...playing particularly massive Total War: Warhammer battles at 4K, have I maxed the memory out, and then it just uses system memory. So, yeah, I wish I had gotten the 6GB variety, but my anecdotal experience suggest 8GB will be more then fine for everything I've played.

 

[thrakazog]

So, the 20 series cards will outperform the 10 series cards by a country mile.......in giga-rays and RTX-OPs......brand new measurements never used on previous cards. I'm going to laugh when that ends up being the standard 10% - 20% performance increase on most games......

 

[jimmysmitty]

When gaming at 4k with my 1080ti it is sometimes pushed to using more than 10GB of VRAM. How is an RTX 2080 going to support 4k gaming with only 8GB VRAM?

4K can be optimized fo fit happily in 8GB of VRAM. Some game devs are just lazy.

So, the 20 series cards will outperform the 10 series cards by a country mile.......in giga-rays and RTX-OPs......brand new measurements never used on previous cards. I'm going to laugh when that ends up being the standard 10% - 20% performance increase on most games......

In current games, yes. However in games that decide to use newer DXR/RTX/Raytracing no. Thats where Turing will shine.

 

[kinggremlin]

1080ti is based on 471 mm die. 2080ti is based on a 754mm die. The same die the Quadro 6000 uses (with twice as much RAM) for $6300. I doubt 13GB of DDR6 costs anywhere near $5000. Anyone who thought Nvidia would sell this card for $700-$800 was out of their mind. Yes, it totally sucks for the mainstream consumer, however, the truth is that Nvidia will sell every card they can produce, so it makes total sense to charge this much. The mistake Nvidia made was calling the card a 2080ti. Had they called it an RTX Titan instead, which would have made more sense based on the timing of the release, there would be far fewer complaints about the price.

 

[alextheblue]

Honestly I can easily see a $1200 price tag. Real Time ray tracing for the first time ever? That takes a LOT of resources.

I mean, it takes a dedicated hardware block. PowerVR introduced realtime ray tracing on a mobile GPU some time ago. But now that Nvidia can do it, ooooh, ahhhh!

Seriously, everyone should start complaining about those ridiculous prices until NVIDIA lowers them. Hit up all the popular tech forums / sites and social media outlets and complain, complain, complain! Hell, even go outside and yell at the sky, if you want. Just be careful not to scare the cat if you do.

You could make a difference! Now let's go!

You can scream all you want, if you buy their stuff you're encouraging them. As someone else already said, vote with your wallet. Don't like it? Don't buy anything from them.

 

[stdragon]

Way too pricy IMHO

Me? You know, I'll sit on the sidelines for two reasons. 1: it's first gen raytracing in hardware. 2: it's new, I'd wait for a price drop anyways.

It's a good card, and I hope the bleeding edge gamers find them of value.

 

[kinggremlin]

Honestly I can easily see a $1200 price tag. Real Time ray tracing for the first time ever? That takes a LOT of resources.

I mean, it takes a dedicated hardware block. PowerVR introduced realtime ray tracing on a mobile GPU some time ago. But now that Nvidia can do it, ooooh, ahhhh!

Except it wasn't PowerVR that developed the technology. PowerVR bought a company called Caustic Graphics and dropped CG's hardware raytracing technology into their own GPU's. You need to stop being dense as well. Comparing the two is like saying Oculus didn't come up with the first viable VR system because Nintendo released the Virtual Boy in the 1990's. Clearly these are completely different levels of the technology. PowerVR's mobile implementation is not remotely capable of being used in the applications that NVidia is using their raytracing technology.

 

[MisterZ]

My next PC is definitely going to be a dual 2080 Ti's in SLi and i9 9th gen. with 128 GB DDR4. Doom Eternal is going to rock at 200fps.

 

[giovanni86]

Unless i see benchmarks that say 2080ti smokes my two in sli, ima stay put. After all i think having two is a waste, i always saw better performance from one then the two together. But alas my system is 6 years old. If one 2080ti does the supposed job the two tis i have currently i may be tempted to buy one.