Nvidia GeForce GTX 1000 Series (Pascal) MegaThread: FAQ and Resources

[renz496]

I am old enough to remember way back when I was an early adopter of the gtx 280 and I actually got a rebate check for $175 or something like that in the mail from Nvidia because costs of the card dropped so dramatically so quickly after release. Can't remember if that was because of a red team card or what, but I have to think so. There's always hoping.

well that is because of HD4800 pricing. but it is not easy for AMD to repeat such move right now. not when we consider how AMD financial situation right now compared to a decade ago. also cost wise Vega most likely end up being more expensive than nvidia GTX1080ti to produce because of those HBM2. and for nvidia part they have always been cautious against AMD since that HD4800 moment. instead on the defensive side they were the one that attacking even when they have the lead. but they do it in a way that they can still get massive profit.

I don't know what you mean by AMD's financial position. Do you mean they had more money back then?

I am hoping that their new Ryzen CPUs will make a good return. Thus hitting Intel who are too expensive now generally. Thus helping AMD along, and giving them money to produce some competing GPUs. Nividia have it all their own way right now and that's another reason why they are charging so much. I think they rule the high end GPU, meaning AMD have nothing in the top four GPUs. (Might be wrong there.)

at least i think so because AMD is quite successful with their althon before. also in 2008 AMD is just start feeling the heat from the massive cash they spend in order to get ATI under their roof in 2006. it is not until a few years later that we see the true impact.

 

[RobCrezz]

Well it isn't low-profile, but single slot is cool. Rather it be something like a 1050 or 1050ti since a 1070 is likely to scream under load.Would be nice if some of the ELSA cards were sold in the US.

I kind of want to re-build my HTPC into a sleeker case.

Well, it's thin profile, which depending on the case design, may be "low profile." cause there are a few HTPC cases with only 1 PCI slot.

Just a bit confusing, because low profile has always meant half height slot.

The reason workstations cards can be single slot more often is because the clock speeds will usually be running much lower, so the heat and power requirements are lower.

 

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It can't be time to start a new Volta thread, can it?

NVIDIA's Volta Reportedly Poised for Anticipated, Early Q3 2017 Launch

 

[-Fran-]

I'm still wondering about nVidia getting nVLink to the consumer market.

Cheers!

 

[renz496]

It can't be time to start a new Volta thread, can it?

NVIDIA's Volta Reportedly Poised for Anticipated, Early Q3 2017 Launch

they point some interesting point about this upcoming volta. they said there won't be any massive change to the architecture like how maxwell to pascal is not a massive change. though right now i see some people speculate that volta could be nvidia massive architecture change since Fermi. and this rumor also talking about even more expensive Geforce? meaning GTX2080 or whatever nvidia want to call it will be even more expensive than $700 1080ti? the reasoning is pascal did not generate much profit like nvidia expect. make no mistake though with pascal generation nvidia did generate more revenue than they was before but it seems nvidia expect get even more. so this early volta release is set to increase nvidia revenue by selling them at much higher price.

personally i still can't believe this at all. usually my stance is "don't deny the possibilities of a rumor end up being true" but not on this one. i will take it more seriously when VCZ start talking about it.

 

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It can't be time to start a new Volta thread, can it?

NVIDIA's Volta Reportedly Poised for Anticipated, Early Q3 2017 Launch

they point some interesting point about this upcoming volta. they said there won't be any massive change to the architecture like how maxwell to pascal is not a massive change. though right now i see some people speculate that volta could be nvidia massive architecture change since Fermi. and this rumor also talking about even more expensive Geforce? meaning GTX2080 or whatever nvidia want to call it will be even more expensive than $700 1080ti? the reasoning is pascal did not generate much profit like nvidia expect. make no mistake though with pascal generation nvidia did generate more revenue than they was before but it seems nvidia expect get even more. so this early volta release is set to increase nvidia revenue by selling them at much higher price.

personally i still can't believe this at all. usually my stance is "don't deny the possibilities of a rumor end up being true" but not on this one. i will take it more seriously when VCZ start talking about it.

Some more news and analysis here from financial site The Motley Fool:
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/17/report-nvidia-prepping-new-volta-architecture-gami.aspx

 

[renz496]

I'm still wondering about nVidia getting nVLink to the consumer market.

Cheers!

right now the only way to use NVlink on consumer grade product is for multi gpu setup. and it is setup that many people not interested with. NVLink can also improve CPU to GPU communication but that means nvidia have to replace PCI-E interface on their GPU with NVLink. and that also going to affect motherboard side. need mobo that an support NVLink specifically just for nvidia GPU? that will be a though sell.

 

[renz496]

It can't be time to start a new Volta thread, can it?

NVIDIA's Volta Reportedly Poised for Anticipated, Early Q3 2017 Launch

they point some interesting point about this upcoming volta. they said there won't be any massive change to the architecture like how maxwell to pascal is not a massive change. though right now i see some people speculate that volta could be nvidia massive architecture change since Fermi. and this rumor also talking about even more expensive Geforce? meaning GTX2080 or whatever nvidia want to call it will be even more expensive than $700 1080ti? the reasoning is pascal did not generate much profit like nvidia expect. make no mistake though with pascal generation nvidia did generate more revenue than they was before but it seems nvidia expect get even more. so this early volta release is set to increase nvidia revenue by selling them at much higher price.

personally i still can't believe this at all. usually my stance is "don't deny the possibilities of a rumor end up being true" but not on this one. i will take it more seriously when VCZ start talking about it.

Some more news and analysis here from financial site The Motley Fool:
https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/17/report-nvidia-prepping-new-volta-architecture-gami.aspx

in any case more info will probably going to surface next month with nvidia main GTC event.

 

[simon12]

Ah, I thought you meant a real bug or issue with the 1070. :lol:

I thought he got an STD from a graphics card

 

[-Fran-]

I'm still wondering about nVidia getting nVLink to the consumer market.

Cheers!

right now the only way to use NVlink on consumer grade product is for multi gpu setup. and it is setup that many people not interested with. NVLink can also improve CPU to GPU communication but that means nvidia have to replace PCI-E interface on their GPU with NVLink. and that also going to affect motherboard side. need mobo that an support NVLink specifically just for nvidia GPU? that will be a though sell.

I bet you would have said the same thing about GSync.

It's hardly about the expenses, but how much more performance/efficiency brings to the table. Part of the information I was told basically explained how there were going to implement it next to the PCI and not *through* it. I can say this much; if nVLink is all I was told, it might have a market.

Cheers! 😛

 

[imnotagamer007]

What is the comfortable temp range for an 1080 ti?

 

[TechyInAZ]

What is the comfortable temp range for an 1080 ti?

The 70C range. Keep it below the low 80s and you'll be fine.

 

[imnotagamer007]

Do you have a source on this info?

 

[renz496]

Do you have a source on this info?

there is tons of GTX1080ti review out there. go read for the reference design review and then read at least one of the custom card review. then you'll know where the "sweet spot" for the card.

 

[mr91]

A good non reference 1080 ti such as the MSI Gaming X should give you temps below 70 however the reference was designed to run over 80 degrees at stock.

Depends on ambient temperatures and Case air flow...



http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_gtx_1080_ti_gaming_x_review,8.html

 

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GPU Temperature Comparison
Card: Idle/Load/Gaming Noise
Palit GTX 1080 Ti GameRock Premium 45°C/75°C/38 dBA
Gigabyte GTX 1080 Ti Xtreme Gaming 46°C/71°C/33 dBA
MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X 53°C/72°C/35 dBA
ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX OC 46°C/69°C/33 dBA
GTX 1080 Ti FE 34°C/84°C/39 dBA
Titan X Pascal 42°C/84°C/39 dBA
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti_GameRock_Premium/34.html

 

[U6b36ef]

The 1080 and are still in fairly short supply on Amazon UK. I guess they just are not selling that many because of the high prices. Usually there are all makes and all models of the cards. Many are stocked but some are only a few left.

The 1080 Ti are barely in stock.

It's a bit of a mess really with these high prices. (I sometimes think that because places like the US sell electrical goods so cheap (meaning no tax). Maybe it increases prices in the UK. I might be wrong. However if Nvidia call sell so many in the US, then they have made their profit. They are not fighting for sales, so no need to be competitive over prices.)

 

[LeKeiser]

Just switched yesterday from a KFA2 1060 OC to a KFA2 1070 EX that I bought for €350. I have changed my display couple of weeks ago, it's a 2560x1440, so the 1060 was fighting a bit I guess to fill all those pixels 😀 The 1070 does a great job, got it at a very good price I think. It's totally silent also. I really vouch for this brand

 

[renz496]

so nvidia using TSMC 12nm process is rumor no more. Volta GV100 will be built using this new node. and GV100 is the biggest "GPU" nvidia ever created today. 815mm2. and here i thought that 600mm2 will be the absolute limit they can go regardless of process node.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Nvidia got me again, good bye AMD, it was nice 6 years run with 6990 and 290X, but time to move back to green side with 1080ti, it's simply far superior to anything red team can offer now and I suspect this year too.

That's a very silly thing to say when we haven't really seen what Vega is capable of and the price they will be charging for it. I love my 1080 and I'm sure I'd like a 1080 ti as well but I'm going to wait until Vega before I make a purchase. Only going to be waiting because I really don't need another card.

maybe you can say that because you already have 1080 performance right now. but what about people that holding back from buying cards like 1080 because they were waiting for AMD to release something that competitive? it is almost a year since nvidia release 1080/1070 to the market. yes AMD have been slowing down releasing new cards this past few years but most often they still offer something that can compete with nvidia fastest card. 290X vs 780ti, Fury X vs 980ti. of course people expecting AMD to compete directly with 1080 after a few weeks/months after nvidia release 1080. but in the end AMD doesn't have anything to offer against 1080 for almost a year. this is also probably the reason why some people a bit skeptical about Vega going to compete head to head with 1080ti.

I want to buy a Vega card BUT I decided long ago that playing the waiting game is just silly. You can wait until you're in your grave if you really want the most bang for your buck. Same goes with cars, you can wait for a 2018 model and it'll probably be better than your 2017 model and possibly for the same price. Point being, why wait? You can only 'future proof' for so long.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

(I sometimes think that because places like the US sell electrical goods so cheap (meaning no tax)..)

LOL, we pay tax on everything. However, we can get out of paying tax sometimes buying through E-tailers.

 

[renz496]

so before we all migrate to Volta thread one more gift from pascal, smallest 1080ti in the market:

https://videocardz.com/69781/zotac-introduces-a-pair-of-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-mini-cards

 

[TechyInAZ]

That's cute!! :lol:

Pretty cool. Now more people can fit those into smaller form factor cases.

 

[Phaaze88]

That is indeed impressive, but a wash all the same. I'm sure it'll make some mini case owners happy, but they won't perform/boost as well as their big 2 and 3 slot brothers. If I had an itx, I'd just stick with a 1060. No point in getting something like that(mini 1080ti) when I can OC a 1060 to about the same performance level for much cheaper. Zotac shot themselves in the foot on this one.

 

[renz496]

That is indeed impressive, but a wash all the same. I'm sure it'll make some mini case owners happy, but they won't perform/boost as well as their big 2 and 3 slot brothers. If I had an itx, I'd just stick with a 1060. No point in getting something like that(mini 1080ti) when I can OC a 1060 to about the same performance level for much cheaper. Zotac shot themselves in the foot on this one.

even if the mini will not boost as the other after market 1080ti the base performance should not be slower than stock 1080ti. even Oced to 2.1ghz there is no way 1060 can reach 1080ti base performance.