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There was a link posted for the 1080 in the UK previously. I'm sure the same link would show 1070s. Go back a couple of pages (4 or 5?).

Cheers!
 
I am so hyped now, The last time i bought an nvidia card was like gt9500, now GTX1070 is out, price and range seems an awesome card for gaming. I cant wait to see more benchmark tests and competition between rx480...
 
I fought with the EVGA website for about 45 minutes trying to get the SC model 1070 this morning. I eventually got to the point where I could add it to my cart but constant server error messages prevented me from buying one. Now it looks like they are sold out of everything except the Founders Edition, which I don't want.

Oh well, I guess I have time to read reviews of all the custom models before making my purchase decision now. I might even end up grabbing a factory overclocked 1080 model if Amazon gets them in stock first.

I don't really need more than a 1070 for my 1440p monitor but I already sold my SLI 970s and I'm starting to get impatient.
 


I would say you're just very behind the times then if you think any of that is new information. There was not a single grey thing about their marketing, people are just too retarded to even bother reading it, and there are far too many people out there only concerned with their e-peens. That's where all those $3000 and above computer systems come from.
 

They did it as a favor to their AIB partners in order to sell more high-end custom cards. The uber cards (FTW, Classified, HoF, Lightning, G1, etc.) are now all going to seem like they're being priced reasonably when compared to the reference model. The regular custom models are going to seem downright cheap. More of these cards will sell. That wasn't always the case with a cheap reference card in the mix.

It is completely normal and has been the pattern over the past several years that the reference models were available weeks before custom models. So the whole notion of this being a "fanboy" tax or trying to milk as much as they can from the first few weeks is a bit misguided. You need to look at the bigger picture, beyond just the first few weeks and see that these things are going straight to the top of the Steam hardware survey, and the AIB partners are going to be very pleased with the pricing structure.

Edit:. I forgot to mention that I'm not just making this up. I read it in a financial analysis (stock market) report.
 
This is an excerpt from Guru3D's review of the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_gaming_x_review,31.html



Is this true? If so there isn't much real reason to pay more for the EVGA ACX 3.0 SC 1070 or FTW model is there? If what he is saying is true I should be able to buy the EVGA ACX 3.0 model with the reference clock speeds to save a bit of money and achieve similar clock rates.

If Nvidia is limiting what kinds of overclocks are possible and even reference models are capable of hitting those clock speeds all of EVGA's ACX models should be able to hit 2GHz since they have the same cooler right?

edit I'm not sure why that quote went in there twice. Looking at my post in the editor it looks like it should only be there once. I'm obviously missing something. Also, those typos aren't mine. That is a direct copy and past from his published review.
 
based on what we have seen of the 1080 models, i'd say this is very true. there is going to be little difference in the cards top oc ability due to nvidia limitations.

however, there have already been BIG difference shown with hoe they perform at those clocks. the ASUS strix 1080 was a lot more stable with the clock rate and did not wildly go up and down like the reference card does at high clocks. it will be worth the price for some of these custom cards but we won't know for sure until they have been tested and we can see how they do. cooling/extras/looks will also factor in. unless someone decides to write and release a custom bios for the cards that will allow for different numbers, we'll see the same thing with most of the cards.

for the average user who may not want to oc, then like always, the cards that come pre-oc'ed are still the best bet for that last bit of performance out of the box.
 


Right. I still don't want to buy a Founders Edition card but EVGA sells a version that is basically the reference card with an ACX 3.0 cooler on it. Since this card has the same cooler as the SC and FTW models with reference clock speeds we should theoretically be able to get it to 2.0-2.1GHz ourselves without paying the extra money.

I was originally targeting the EVGA ACX 3.0 SC 1070. Today I saw that this is available for $440. I wasn't able to see the price of the ACX3.0 model with reference clock speeds before their website crashed but my guess is that it will be around $400. Since it sounds like this limits are true it probably doesn't make sense for someone who is comfortable with overclocking, like myself, to spend $440 for the Superclocked model. The FTW model which will probably cost more than the Founders Edition seems to make even less sense.
 


The "grays" is not defined by what they say explicitly, but implicitly.

Fine, we'll have to agree to disagree then.



There are no such things as "favors" in business. In this case, nVidia just saw an opportunity and took it. They just called it a name people wouldn't feel ripped off with.

Cheers!
 


one difference is the power delivery on the ftw card. the ftw has 10+2 power phases and the rest have 5+1. might make a difference in stability buying the cheaper card and trying for max oc. plus the acx 3.0 cards have the single 8 pin connection while the ftw has 2 x 8 pins. something to consider anyway.

so there are differences in the cards besides clock speed. i am going to update the 1080 models listings on the first page to include power phases and dimensions since this is a consideration for card choices i have seen asked about a lot lately.
 
I saw that but what good does the extra power available from the second 8 pin do if they still have the same limit on overclocking? As you said, it might make it a little more stable at 2.0-2.1GHz but reviewers don't seem to be having trouble getting any of cards stable at that clock speed. If they can't push past that because of Nvidia's limiters it seems like that second 8 pin port is mostly for marketing purposes.

The Founders Edition cards do have trouble maintaining those max clock speeds because of temperatures but the ACX 3.0 and other custom coolers should be able to get around that problem.
 
i can't find it again but one of the many reviews i have read showed the reference edition with wild clock swings at high overclock. talking jumping between 1.2 ghz and 2 ghz back and forth like crazy. the strix card sat at 2 ghz and only moved between 1.9 and 2.1 slightly. can't find it again but i'll update if i do. but this is the biggest thing i am imagining with the custom cards. the extra power and cooling will let it stay very stable at oc speeds like this. while the cheaper cards with pretty much reference specs will suffer from these fps swings at oc.

will want to see some more analysis and reviews but i am imaging this will be a reason to go with the better cards. at least something like the strix which is not crazy overkill but has some extra features over the FE. that's pretty much my point of the phases and such. should smooth out the performance and make it more stable.
 


that was a custom card bios they made. it is possible i wonder what kind of threats nvidia makes to keep vendors from doing this themselves.won't get that speed but 2.4/5 should be possible with high end air cooling or hybrid set-up
 
@Math Geek
Quote: "jumping between 1.2 ghz and 2 ghz back and forth like crazy."

You are way off on the magnitude of the issue.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/05/17/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1080_founders_edition_review/5#.V1sI3LsrKUk
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i'm still looking for that review i saw. i just remember with max oc, it was all over the place up and down. it was compared to the strix which was almost constant clock at same oc level. problem was it was not a new review (since there has only been a couple it would be easy to find) but rather was an analysis of those reviews compared to the reference. the result was something like the fluctuations translated to visible stuttering and frame drops, plus power consumption was just as up and down with the speed variations.

just too many sites with too many articles for me to find it again 🙁 i usually keep a list of links to interesting stuff but i seemed to have skipped this link.
 


Huh, that still looks really crazy unstable though, compared to the others. But non of the others get anywhere near those clockspeeds so we don't actually have anything to compare it to.
 
i think its safe to say to wait for more reviews, more updates to stuff/drivers. Great job with this thread by the way! great source of info and in particular making sure those get the best bang for the $$$ is much appreciated assurance
 
thanks, i have all the 1070 card info collected and will update that piece tomorrow. card makers are finally updating product pages and adding in some cards we know exist but were never officially announced or verified.

looking forward to a lot more reviews coming in and hopefully they will start to show up soon as cards become more available. i don't think you can go wrong with any of the cards really. some may be a bit more stable but in the end they are all awesome performers for the money if you avoid the reference card pricing. i'm adding some other sites to my daily rounds to hopefully catch more reviews as they show.

of course anyone finding any should not hesitate to share them so they can be added in 😀
 


http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_gaming_x_review,30.html

Boost Clock = 2088 / 1683 = 24%
Memory = 9400 / 8000 = 17.5%

As for details ... MSI has 10 phase design / Giga 6+2 and Asus 6+1.
 
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