Nvidia GeForce GTX 1000 Series (Pascal) MegaThread: FAQ and Resources

[TehPenguin]

I found this top comment posted on one of jays videos the other day, quite interesting!
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GTX 1080 Ti = SLI 980 Ti = $749
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Would be interesting. Hopefully it gets 980ti performance from games with good SLI support ^^
Sadly, since the 1080 didn't really surpass 980 SLI in games where SLI had good support, I highly doubt the 1080ti will get 980ti perf.

 

[U6b36ef]

Doesn't 3gb seem a little small even for 1080p gaming? In my opinion, I think they should have gone with 4/8gb variants.

The 1060 will run on a 192-bit memory interface bus. That is only divisible evenly by 3 and 6 for an even amount of memory modules to be placed on the PCB (on the top anyway). Now 8 will go into 192 evenly (24), but that would be a waste on a 192-bit bus as it would choke that 8GB down as 8GB of VRAM needs at least a 256-bit bus to get full use of it. Never mind 8GB on it would raise the price of the 1060 even more and send it into the no-man's land of $330 or so, getting dangerously close to the non-FE 1070 territory when those prices and supply finally stabilize back to normal.

I am not sure what you are saying here. However it appears you think:

the bandwidth of the memory interface determines the amount of RAM that can be used.
That 192 is not divisible by 4 or 2, even when you say it's divisible by eight.

Thirdly I own a 2GB card with a 192 bit bus.

 

[Math Geek]

here's a little bit of teaser info on the Titan P(ascal) card. http://vrworld.com/2016/07/05/nvidia-gp100-titan-faster-geforce-1080/

says it should be announced by end of august and should run about 50% better than a 1080. that's a lot of performance!!!

 

[TehPenguin]

here's a little bit of teaser info on the Titan P(ascal) card. http://vrworld.com/2016/07/05/nvidia-gp100-titan-faster-geforce-1080/

says it should be announced by end of august and should run about 50% better than a 1080. that's a lot of performance!!!

looks promising.

If the 1080ti will get the same/similar perf. with less vRAM then I know what I will be getting myself for christmas.

End of August is still a long time, though.

 

[Quixit]

There never was a GTX640 IIRC.

That's a typo, I meant GTX 460.

I'm not sure if Nvidia will ever release anything slower than a GTX 1050, might not be worth their time. With iGPUs improving low-end sales are cooling off. They might just keep the 750 TI around forever.

 

[TechyInAZ]

here's a little bit of teaser info on the Titan P(ascal) card. http://vrworld.com/2016/07/05/nvidia-gp100-titan-faster-geforce-1080/

says it should be announced by end of august and should run about 50% better than a 1080. that's a lot of performance!!!

looks promising.

If the 1080ti will get the same/similar perf. with less vRAM then I know what I will be getting myself for christmas.

End of August is still a long time, though.

2 months is pretty fast in my opinion. 😛

 

[U6b36ef]

here's a little bit of teaser info on the Titan P(ascal) card. http://vrworld.com/2016/07/05/nvidia-gp100-titan-faster-geforce-1080/

says it should be announced by end of august and should run about 50% better than a 1080. that's a lot of performance!!!

Hahaha! Finally two of those in SLI might be the first time a Crysis game gets released and can be maxed. With full AA settings on too.

 

[Math Geek]

you don't think the crysis developers already have the 16k patch ready to go just waiting. THEY WILL NOT HAVE THEIR GAME RUNNING FULL SETTINGS IN MY LIFETIME MISTER!!!

lol

 

[10tacle]

I am not sure what you are saying here. However it appears you think: the bandwidth of the memory interface determines the amount of RAM that can be used. That 192 is not divisible by 4 or 2, even when you say it's divisible by eight. Thirdly I own a 2GB card with a 192 bit bus.

You missed the part where I said "That is only divisible evenly by 3 and 6 for an even amount of memory modules to be placed on the PCB (on the top anyway)."

On the GTX 660 that had 2GB VRAM and a 192-bit bus, Nvidia put additional memory modules on the back side of the PCB to supplement the VRAM on top. That is not an optimal way to put 2GB VRAM on a PCB. Surely you remember the 1.5GB and 3GB VRAM GTX 760 variants.

The GTX 1060 will be using regular GDDR5 memory modules (as the 1070 uses), sold in 512MB, 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, and 8GB variants for mixing and matching with the memory interface bit width. GDDR5 ICs are still made in 32-bit bus width capacities (compared to the 1080's 64-bit GDDR5x ICs). So for:

128-bit, 4 chips
192-bit, 6 chips (+2 "orphan" chips for an even rounded number of VRAM)
256-bit, 8 chips
512-bit, 16 chips

^^That's just an example and not reflective in absolute. Hopefully this clears things up.

 

[9third]

1060 3DMark leaks: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1060-3dmark-benchmarks-leaked/
Looks very promising to me...

 

[TechyInAZ]

1060 3DMark leaks: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1060-3dmark-benchmarks-leaked/
Looks very promising to me...

Ok that makes a lot more sense. 6GB vram, no SLI, $250. I like that over $300 w/ SLI.

It makes perfect sense that the GP106 won't have SLI, as that would make two of these cards equal to a gtx 1080.

However, I'm trying to figure something out with the 6-pin. See how the PCB is only 3/4ths as long as the entire cooler? How is the 6-pin on the outer edge of the cooler if there is no PCB to put it on? Is it an extension?

 

[Mousemonkey]

1060 3DMark leaks: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1060-3dmark-benchmarks-leaked/
Looks very promising to me...

Ok that makes a lot more sense. 6GB vram, no SLI, $250. I like that over $300 w/ SLI.

It makes perfect sense that the GP106 won't have SLI, as that would make two of these cards equal to a gtx 1080.

However, I'm trying to figure something out with the 6-pin. See how the PCB is only 3/4ths as long as the entire cooler? How is the 6-pin on the outer edge of the cooler if there is no PCB to put it on? Is it an extension?

Next up, the PCB is shorter than the card itself, and NVIDIA's unique new reference-cooler makes the card about 50% longer than its PCB. NVIDIA listened to feedback about shorter PCBs pushing power connectors towards the middle of the cards; and innovated a unique design, in which the card's sole 6-pin PCIe power connector is located where you want it (towards the end), and internal high-current wires are soldered to the PCB. Neato? Think again. What if you want to change the cooler, or maybe use a water-block? Prepare to deal with six insulated wires sticking out of somewhere in the PCB, and running into that PCIe power receptacle.

https://www.techpowerup.com/223883/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-doesnt-support-sli-reference-pcb-difficult-to-mod

 

[-Fran-]

So it might be between 4 and 4.5 TFLOPs if clocked in the neighbor of the 1070. That would definitely put it in front of the RX480 (nVidia FLOPs are strangely weighted different/more in game performance), but not by much.

Now, removing SLI seems strange to me. I know nVidia started removing SLI from the bottom line, but the performance tier for it would still indicate it could make good use of it. Specially when using them in tandem brings you to 1080 levels.

Cheers!

 

[turkey3_scratch]

GTX 1070 new $430 Gigabyte G1 Gaming on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Graphics-GV-N1070G1-GAMING-8GD/dp/B01H0WU884

Stock is filled on July 9, sold through Amazon so Prime will work. Just letting you all know in case anybody was looking to buy it, get it now before they sell out.

 

[Warmacblu]

There were a bunch of 1070's back in stock today. MSI Gaming X and Sea Hawk variants were in stock this afternoon (EST).

 

[turkey3_scratch]

The Gaming X, at least on Newegg, are so overpriced.

 

[U6b36ef]

You know that link that was posted a bit back saying the chip manufacturer that makes the Pascal chips is struggling. Struggling to make the chips, and that's why supply is so slow.

Well, someone told me that Nvidia always delay supply after launch, to clear out old stock. I never heard that before. Is it true. It doesn't make sense though because they should get the new cards out. Then drop the price of the old ones quick. ...However the new cards as someone said before will eradicate old cards. Like the 1060 whiping out the 980.

 

[renz496]

So it might be between 4 and 4.5 TFLOPs if clocked in the neighbor of the 1070. That would definitely put it in front of the RX480 (nVidia FLOPs are strangely weighted different/more in game performance), but not by much.

Now, removing SLI seems strange to me. I know nVidia started removing SLI from the bottom line, but the performance tier for it would still indicate it could make good use of it. Specially when using them in tandem brings you to 1080 levels.

Cheers!

i dare to bet it is rare to see 1060 in SLI to match a single 1080 performance. even if 1060 does support SLI i think we will see similar situation as 960. TPU in their conclusion of 960 review having hard time to recommend such setup to most people. let's say 1060 MSRP is $250 (even this is generous estimation. some thinking it could cost more). two of them will cost $500. then compared to 1070. because of scaling you will see 1070 will always trailing 1060SLI performance. that's how it is between 960SLI and 970. when the price become much more stable 1070 attractiveness vs 1060 SLI will only increase. doing multi gpu setup for mid range card like this become less and less "attractive" to me. in the past going with two mid range card can give you performance better than the fastest single gpu. not only that the price of the two card combined also still cheaper than the fastest flagship card. GTX460 in SLI is one such example:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_460_SLI/25.html

While the cards do look like a solid alternative, you still have to consider the implications of a dual GPU setup. It requires proper SLI profile support from NVIDIA's drivers, otherwise you will be stuck with single card performance. It should also be noted that doubling the power consumption and fan noise will make this setup pretty much equal to a single GeForce GTX 480 card in those two fields - but at a lower price of $460 vs. $499. Whether this is worth the trouble is up for you to decide. What is crystal clear however is that the dual GTX 460 setup offers considerably more performance than a single GTX 480 card, up by 23%.

so the two combined can end up being 20% faster than a single 480. now look at 960SLI review:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_960_SLI/23.html

 

[renz496]

btw isn't it too soon for nvidia to launch titan pascal when we consider AMD don't even launch their high end cards that competes directly with 1080/1070 performance? this new rumor made me thinking about vega story launching in october. did nvidia know something about AMD vega and decided to one up AMD once more?

 

[TehPenguin]

btw isn't it too soon for nvidia to launch titan pascal when we consider AMD don't even launch their high end cards that competes directly with 1080/1070 performance? this new rumor made me thinking about vega story launching in october. did nvidia know something about AMD vega and decided to one up AMD once more?

I think they do suspect what AMD is plotting. Don't think it's too soon for a Titan, though. Titan's were always a class of their own and it will be the Ti's that'll compete with Vega if AMD even threatens the 1080 with it.

 

[renz496]

btw isn't it too soon for nvidia to launch titan pascal when we consider AMD don't even launch their high end cards that competes directly with 1080/1070 performance? this new rumor made me thinking about vega story launching in october. did nvidia know something about AMD vega and decided to one up AMD once more?

I think they do suspect what AMD is plotting. Don't think it's too soon for a Titan, though. Titan's were always a class of their own and it will be the Ti's that'll compete with Vega if AMD even threatens the 1080 with it.

i think nvidia will not going to release another card unless they know where Vega performance will land. but then again it's already over a year since titan x. still i think it is too soon for 600mm2 chip to make appearance right now. there will be no new node shrink soon and we probably going to stuck with 16nm far longer than 28nm did. if volta still on 16nm node how will nvidia intend to increase the performance?

 

[Math Geek]

some new 1060 firestrike numbers http://videocardz.com/61884/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-3dmark-fire-strike-performance

suggests a much smaller lead over the rx 480 than the leaked nvidia slides say. 10% or less. an oc'ed 480 can hit the same numbers. as far as i know, tomorrow is the paper launch of the card at an nvidia press event. could be real interesting depending on how they are priced compared to the custom 480's whenever they show up.

 

[9third]

some new 1060 firestrike numbers http://videocardz.com/61884/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-3dmark-fire-strike-performance

suggests a much smaller lead over the rx 480 than the leaked nvidia slides say. 10% or less. an oc'ed 480 can hit the same numbers. as far as i know, tomorrow is the paper launch of the card at an nvidia press event. could be real interesting depending on how they are priced compared to the custom 480's whenever they show up.

The thing is, reference RX 480's don't really oc very well, especially with that power issue and so far, nvidia has shown much better overclocking, with 1080's reaching 2Ghz

 

[Math Geek]

need to stay up with the reading. 😛 i just posted some numbers over at the amd thread from an aftermarket cooled (air and water) reference 480, overclocking very well and performing very well also. beat "R9 390X, 980 & Nano but is also effectively encroaching on R9 Fury territory." the custom 480 cards may just be in a whole different league than the stock reference ones. we'll know soon enough, but it is too early to just dismiss outright a card that is not even out yet. or declare a winner, a card that is also not out yet.

try to stay objective and avoid the brand bias so many demonstrate here.

 

[TechyInAZ]

http://videocardz.com/61868/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-rumors-part-3-more-pictures

Unfortunately they didn't show the back part of the card, but I've been wondering if this founders edition cooler uses air intakes from both the top and bottom of the fan. Similar to the Asus GTX 970 Turbo card which uses a blower style fan with intakes on both the top and bottom of the card. If so, (plus add in the low heat output of a 120W GPU), this founders edition card could actually cool quite well.