Nvidia: GeForce GTX 480 Was Designed to Run Hot

[a4mula]

My comments never once insinuated that high operational temps would cause the 470/480 to fail. They stated that heat that high would have detrimental effects on every other part in your pc. It's going to sit on top of an already hot 1366 northbridge. It's going to be an inch away from an already hot i7 930. Will it damage these parts? No, but if you think for a moment that you're going to achieve the same overclocks on air you're kidding yourself. You can't just throw an additional 50c into a case and shrug it off as it's no big deal. The days of watercooling were coming to a close, this gpu brings them back full force.

 

[soundefx]

This simply shows that they can't solve the heat issue, so they are saying that is was planned rather than it is a problem and will be solved.

 

[psiboy]

"Designed to run hot" is marketing lies for "our engineering sucks,: omg! they are so hot... : how do we sell them to consumers : I know, tell em we designed them to run hot!" In a world where energy efficiency matters and the total heat inside your pc case is critical Nvidia have scored an Epic fail in my books.

 

[moonwave]

It's obvious that Nvidia wanted to be FASTER than the radeon card. This card was meant to be released 6 months back and compete with the radeon, but it didn't make it. That said, it wasn't required that it be any faster at all. Just competitive. However again, they made it faster and with that came some more heat. Not enough to really matter. Nvidia has tested and designed them to withstand this heat and clearly explained that. So yeah, you get a slightly hotter card, a litte more fan noise, BUT again, the card is a little bit faster. Well guess what? You could probably use a Card tuner program to slow it down to the performance of a radeon card and it would have less heat. And maybe this card will remain slightly hotter, but to act like it's a piece of garbage is what fantards do. I HATE fantards because they ruin every blog. They never try to look at what might be good, they just suck. There are also features to be had on the the gtx470/480 that are not on the competition. As far as I'm concerned there aren't any HUGE differences between these cards. The GTX 470 will produce absolutely stunning graphics. So it boils down to it being 6 months late, so it gets bashed. wow. If you have a radeon, then keep it and enjoy it as this won't be much better. But if someone needs a new card, BOTH brands are fine solutions. I doubt you can really go wrong with this. I read about some of the great detail levels it can get and it's eye candy and it sounds great. I'm tempted to get this one over the radeon. If it turns out that it's not much different and not that big of a deal, I WILL get it. I figure if I hate it, I can always return it. It's too bad that so few people have such a closed mind. Mac fantards are just as bad when they get all excited. *rolls eyes*.

 

[moonwave]

I'll also add... If the card works as advertised and is slightly faster than radeon it seems like it's not such a big deal that it warrants complaining. I mean if you put it in the case and in a month or two you've forgotten about it, and it's there working just fine, and nothing has been harmed etc, then I don't see a problem with it. Sure I might be tempted to choose radeon over nvidia, but that temptation isn't that strong. Again, if it works as it should it shouldn't matter. I'd say probably 90% of the fears here won't come true. I will look at sale prices and some more specs between the two companies. THAT's how it should be done. Not all the dumb stuff occurring here where people take things out of context, misquote things, and then add their own exaggerations on top of those errors. Just silly really...

 

[mindless728]

woah woah woah here, CUDA and PhysX as things ati doesn't have, PhysX was never used well, it was always added as an afterthought to a game and it offers nothing in terms of actual game play, CUDA is going to go the way of the dinosaur with opencl and DirectCompute being vendor neutral

don't expect the prices to stay at the MSRP levels, the 5850 went from $260 to $320 from low stock (making low availability)

personally, the GTX470 is good, its between the 5850 and 5870, and is priced accordingly, uses a little more power, but not a big deal, the 480 however, uses too much power ie 5970 amounts of power (at least is priced accordingly, faster than 5870 slower than 5970)

who cares if it was meant to be released 6 months ago, it wasn't, and really they didn't ship that many now so its really a paper release (less so than the other release they wanted to hit, March 26)

the only problem i see with toms recently is the ridiculus amount of news on it, box art, who the hell cares (not to mention, why didn't ATI get this, also they seem to do this with apple products a lot)

EDIT: btw, nvidia didn't design it to be hot, it happened because they have 3bil+ transistors in a single gpu and a TDP of ~220w and ~290w for the GTX470 and 480 respectively, but saying it was designed to run hot is idiotic since computer parts run better and longer if they are cooler

 

[moonwave]

shin0bi272 "It basically said if your gpu is designed to run hot then why is the amd 5870 running 5-10% slower than yours at half the power?"

Only an overclocker would understand this. When you get to a certain level of performance, the heat/power trade-off becomes exponential. In other words, amd didn't create something that much more efficient. The technologies are fairly similar and so are their limitations when you get right down to it. They pushed the 480 a little further with more transistors and speed and it got some hotter. However the 5870 wouldn't e able to reach the level of the 480, even if that difference isn't that much. Acting like somehow the 5870 pulled off a miracle is a bit of an exaggeration. That 5%-10% in performances is all it takes to gain the additional heat quickly no matter who made it. My guess is that two things are happening here. One that the nvidia is pushed a little harder and is a little hotter. And two, the card is at the same time a little bit more powerful than the 5870. Perhaps more transistors etc.

Add those two together and they squeeked out 10% performance gains with what they felt is only a little more heat after their testing. Like I said before, maybe the card can be underclocked a bit so that it achieves the same performance as the 5870. That would be interesting. However the reverse isn't possible. You can't push the 5870 up to the level of the 480.. Unless you want a fire, or malfunction or something, lol. So I think the 480 has a little bit more computational power to give it a few percent. And it's not really very much, but that's how nvidia did it. I think it will come down to what kind of case the gamer has. If they have a decent case, none of this will ever be an issue. If they have a crapola case, then that's different. But then most serious gamers don't have crappy cases with poor ventilation anyway. So the 5870 does have an advantage in that it's somewhat cooler, but the nvidida has an advantage in that it's somewhat faster. Not a big deal either way if you ask me.

 

[mindless728]

shin0bi272 "It basically said if your gpu is designed to run hot then why is the amd 5870 running 5-10% slower than yours at half the power?"

Only an overclocker would understand this. When you get to a certain level of performance, the heat/power trade-off becomes exponential. In other words, amd didn't create something that much more efficient. The technologies are fairly similar and so are their limitations when you get right down to it. They pushed the 480 a little further with more transistors and speed and it got some hotter. However the 5870 wouldn't e able to reach the level of the 480, even if that difference isn't that much. Acting like somehow the 5870 pulled off a miracle is a bit of an exaggeration. That 5%-10% in performances is all it takes to gain the additional heat quickly no matter who made it. My guess is that two things are happening here. One that the nvidia is pushed a little harder and is a little hotter. And two, the card is at the same time a little bit more powerful than the 5870. Perhaps more transistors etc.

well, 5-10% (i'll give 15% for the benefit of the doubt) going to double power usage is what i would call inefficient, that small percentage can be overcome from overclocking the 5870, and then it is still only using about 15% more power, not double (clock speed is roughly linear in power increase, voltage is exponential)

Add those two together and they squeeked out 10% performance gains with what they felt is only a little more heat after their testing. Like I said before, maybe the card can be underclocked a bit so that it achieves the same performance as the 5870. That would be interesting. However the reverse isn't possible. You can't push the 5870 up to the level of the 480.. Unless you want a fire, or malfunction or something, lol. So I think the 480 has a little bit more computational power to give it a few percent. And it's not really very much, but that's how nvidia did it. I think it will come down to what kind of case the gamer has. If they have a decent case, none of this will ever be an issue. If they have a crapola case, then that's different. But then most serious gamers don't have crappy cases with poor ventilation anyway. So the 5870 does have an advantage in that it's somewhat cooler, but the nvidida has an advantage in that it's somewhat faster. Not a big deal either way if you ask me.

the 5870 can be OC'ed to the performance of the GTX480, and guess what, it doesn't catch on fire, uses less power, and is about has hot. Computational power, i hope you don't use any apps that use DP performance btw (like milkyway@home) since it has less DP performance than the 5870 (if they didn't cripple it, it would have quite a bit more)

though in the end, to each his own, some will use ATI for price/performance or power usage, and other will use GTX480 for the fastest gpu (or they will choose based on fanboyism)

though moonwave, when you do get your GTX470/480 (which ever you get), post some benchmark results (and maybe OC it a bit as well)