Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition Review: A Titan V Killer

[Energy96]

Can you guys please do an SLI (NVlink) review?

I run 780TI's in SLI and want to know if it is worth it to upgrade to RTX 2080 TI
I feel like one 2080 TI is not going to offer much improvement over my 2 780 ti's
I want to see what these 2080 TI's will do in SLI (NVLINK).

Would also like to see some comparisons for slightly older cards like mine.
This really helps when trying to decide if it is worth it.

Thanks!

 

[Lucky_SLS]

We got the 3440x1440 200hz hdr screens from Acer and Asus launching soon.

So tell me this : which setup would be able to power those monster of displays? Maybe a review with 2080ti sli and the upcoming 9700k when those are launched? With overclocked results plz if you can.

 

[Crashman]

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[csar87523]

Than have a lonely rtx 2050 for the poor gamer that took pride in the TOP of the Line Products GTX 7950 GTX 8800 back when Bitcoin was unheard of. Nvida got and will REMAIN GREEDY from NOW ON! IT Really Sucks to be a PC GAMER>>>>>

 

[matty.ryon]

How much were you shills paid to compare it to a non gaming $3k card to make it seem like some sort of value? This isn't generationally any better than any other TI, it isn't Titan level.

 

[Reynod]

What a flop of a card ... all that expectation and the end results are much lower than the hype NVidia caused leading up to it.

This is equivalent to AMD's famous XTX ... as I predicted it would be 3 weeks ago.

Nvidia were touting it to be so much more ... but in fact it is so much less.

The cost is simply not worth it ... yet.

 

[Crashman]

"But what if we told you it also beats Nvidia’s Titan V? In Battlefield 1, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti is 20% faster. In Forza Motorsport 7, the 2080 Ti enjoys a 22% advantage. Based on the two cards’ specifications, we weren’t expecting such a dramatic finish. Although the $3000 GV100-based Titan V is made for deep learning and not gaming, those results sure put GeForce RTX 2080 Ti’s $1200 price into context."

How does comparing a $3000 scientific/industry video card to a gaming card put the $1200 2080 Ti price into context?

How could this possibly be considered an actual question when it ignores the simple fact that the 2080 Ti was also compared "in context" to the 1080 Ti?

Is yours a "Believe in something, even if you know that it's wrong" argument?

Direct from the paragraph above: "Although the $3000 GV100-based Titan V is made for deep learning and not gaming, those results sure put GeForce RTX 2080 Ti’s $1200 price into context."

What is confusing to you about my question? "those results sure put Geforce RTX Ti's $1200 price into context" The article states this as a fact when this is not a fact as one is a commercial product costing $3000 and one is a retail gaming card that is 70% higher cost than the previous generation retail gaming card. There is no comparison or context to justify the $1200 price tag other than to compare the 2080 Ti to the 1080 Ti launch price and performance. They should of left that whole part out of the article as it is bad journalism at best and blatant dishonest fraudulent use of wording to suggest, "for sure", there is any context whatsoever in comparing the Titan V to the 2080 Ti.

Again you sound like an Nvidia shill or maybe a shill for Tom's Hardware as there is no defending this paragraph as it is obviously dishonest in nature which is evidence of Nvidia bias tainting the article.

If Tom's Hardware wants to post a review then leave the biased dishonesty out of the review. Otherwise this is an opinion piece.

Ignoring the word "also" in the first sentence of your quote doesn't help your credibility. Since you can't seam to point to any matters of dishonesty, I will instead ask who you're shilling for? And if you're going to call anything dishonest, you should address that with the author who ALSO wrote this:

But we fancy ourselves advocates for enthusiasts, and we still can't recommend placing $1200 on the altar of progress to create an audience for game developers to target. If you choose to buy GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, do so for its performance today, not based on the potential of its halo feature.

You see, you're pretending he didn't write that, and you're intentionally ignoring what he actually wrote in order to bolster an invalid argument. Good day.

A Titan V killer? Well, spank me silly. A dedicated gaming card beats a dedicated compute card in gaming? Has the world gone mad?

If we can't be frank let's at least be Francis. The thing you're calling a "dedicated compute card" was out-gaming the previous generation of "dedicated gaming card" long before the currently-reviewed "dedicated gaming card" was even announced.

How much were you shills paid to compare it to a non gaming $3k card to make it seem like some sort of value? This isn't generationally any better than any other TI, it isn't Titan level.

How much were you paid to make this intentionally misleading statement? I've already obliterated that argument three times in this very thread, so there must be something in it for you...

 

[SkyBill40]

Good Lord. This... again? I'm just waiting for the purge of this thread to take place just as it did several times in the other one.

 

[bit_user]

My analysis:

Improvement from GTX 1080 Ti to RTX 2080 Ti:

Spec              Improvement
------------------------------
Compute (TFLOPS):  10.8%
Memory (GB/sec):   27.2%

Category        99th %ile  Mean FPS
------------------------------------
DX11 (median):     24.8%    29.4%
DX12 (median):     20.5%    22.8%
2.5k (median):     20.1%    21.7%
4k (median):       27.8%    29.2%
Overall (median):  21.6%    25.2%

The biggest area of improvement is DX11 @ 4k: 31.4% / 35.2%

As you can see, the overall results are at the upper end of the range predicted by the compute and memory bandwidth increases. This suggests most are probably bandwidth-limited and that architectural improvements amplified the raw compute gains.


Here's a link to my GTX 1080 to RTX 2080 analysis.

Edit: Added Mean FPS numbers.

 

[bit_user]

Note that I used median to best reject the outliers (several results seem suspicious) and provide a good expectation of the typical gains one can expect.

 

[bit_user]

What a flop of a card ... all that expectation and the end results are much lower than the hype NVidia caused leading up to it.

It's perfectly in line with a close reading of the specs.

Unlike previous generations, Nvidia simply chose to use much of the extra die space for new functionality. Perhaps they're worried that if they keep running the same old race we're used to, that AMD (or Intel!) could eventually catch up. So, that could explain DLSS and ray tracing, where they're trying to establish new leadership areas.

Anyway, for existing titles, what we see is the new cards are essentially one step up from the previous gen. In the case of Pascal, we witnessed a 2 step improvement (i.e. a GTX 1070 was about as fast as a GTX 980 Ti, whereas here you have a RTX 2080 being about as fast as a GTX 1080 Ti).

 

[wachuko]

I am confused... so should I jump on it and buy it now or wait a bit for the price to come down?

 

[Crashman]

I am confused... so should I jump on it and buy it now or wait a bit for the price to come down?

We love early adopters because they help cover the development cost of new products while the rest of us wait for prices to come down. So if you're the kind of person who has to have the latest gear even when the prices are unjustified, you can stand in line when the next iPhone launches...AND buy an RTX today 😀

 

[Scott_123]

"Ignoring the word "also" in the first sentence of your quote doesn't help your credibility. Since you can't seam to point to any matters of dishonesty, I will instead ask who you're shilling for? And if you're going to call anything dishonest, you should address that with the author who ALSO wrote this:"

Crashman, you do not make sense. Comparing the $3000 Titan V to the $1200 RTX 2080 Ti , as if this "for sure" puts the 2080 Ti's $1200 price into context is outright dishonest.

This article is full of biased statements and outright dishonesty.

You would have to be stupid to buy this card today at $1200, yet the author spins the ludicrous price to performance ratio of the 2080 Ti as if the 2080 Ti is of good value.

You are doing a very poor job of trying to defend this article which is understandable as you cannot defend bias driven dishonesty.

 

[Crashman]

"Ignoring the word "also" in the first sentence of your quote doesn't help your credibility. Since you can't seam to point to any matters of dishonesty, I will instead ask who you're shilling for? And if you're going to call anything dishonest, you should address that with the author who ALSO wrote this:"

Crashman, you do not make sense. This article is full of biased statements and outright dishonesty.

You would have to be stupid to buy this card today at $1200, yet the author spins the ludicrous price to performance ratio of the 2080 Ti as if the 2080 Ti is of good value.

If you could take it upon yourself to be completely honest about what the entire article says, my statements would make perfect sense. The author says not to waste $1200 on a hope for the advanced features of tomorrow, but instead consider only whether you'd be willing to overpay for the modest to moderate performance advancement available from these cards today.I only rephrased that since you're ignoring the quote I keep posting.

 

[Scott_123]

I am confused... so should I jump on it and buy it now or wait a bit for the price to come down?

We love early adopters because they help cover the development cost of new products while the rest of us wait for prices to come down. So if you're the kind of person who has to have the latest gear even when the prices are unjustified, you can stand in line when the next iPhone launches...AND buy an RTX today 😀

Crashman, are you a bot?

 

[SkyBill40]

Dude... just stop already. Seriously.

 

[Crashman]

Dude... just stop already. Seriously.

When I said "Good day" a few posts ago, it wasn't because there was nothing left to say, it was because there was nothing left for Scott_123 to say 😀

I am confused... so should I jump on it and buy it now or wait a bit for the price to come down?

We love early adopters because they help cover the development cost of new products while the rest of us wait for prices to come down. So if you're the kind of person who has to have the latest gear even when the prices are unjustified, you can stand in line when the next iPhone launches...AND buy an RTX today 😀

Crashman, are you a bot?

If by bot you mean someone or something that uses pure logic rather than emotional arguments, I'll take that as a compliment. Now, go emotionally buy your RTX while I logically wait for prices to come down 😀

Non-programmatic humor? Damn, I guess I just outed myself.

 

[Scott_123]

"Ignoring the word "also" in the first sentence of your quote doesn't help your credibility. Since you can't seam to point to any matters of dishonesty, I will instead ask who you're shilling for? And if you're going to call anything dishonest, you should address that with the author who ALSO wrote this:"

Crashman, you do not make sense. This article is full of biased statements and outright dishonesty.

You would have to be stupid to buy this card today at $1200, yet the author spins the ludicrous price to performance ratio of the 2080 Ti as if the 2080 Ti is of good value.

If you could take it upon yourself to be completely honest about what the entire article says, my statements would make perfect sense. The author says not to waste $1200 on a hope for the advanced features of tomorrow, but instead consider only whether you'd be willing to overpay for the modest to moderate performance advancement available from these cards today.I only rephrased that since you're ignoring the quote I keep posting.

What?!?!?

That is not what the author wrote. Now you are just trying to spin the spin.

I'm done, you have proven that Tom's Hardware is biased and Tom's Hardware will go to any length to advance their biased agenda, including paying people to troll the forums to counter any negative comments about Tom's Hardware's bias driven dishonesty in their reviews.

 

[wachuko]

I am confused... so should I jump on it and buy it now or wait a bit for the price to come down?

We love early adopters because they help cover the development cost of new products while the rest of us wait for prices to come down. So if you're the kind of person who has to have the latest gear even when the prices are unjustified, you can stand in line when the next iPhone launches...AND buy an RTX today 😀

I have been thinking of a new build... so maybe I just start planning the components for it... I do not need to be the first... I can wait

 

[Crashman]

"Ignoring the word "also" in the first sentence of your quote doesn't help your credibility. Since you can't seam to point to any matters of dishonesty, I will instead ask who you're shilling for? And if you're going to call anything dishonest, you should address that with the author who ALSO wrote this:"

Crashman, you do not make sense. This article is full of biased statements and outright dishonesty.

You would have to be stupid to buy this card today at $1200, yet the author spins the ludicrous price to performance ratio of the 2080 Ti as if the 2080 Ti is of good value.

If you could take it upon yourself to be completely honest about what the entire article says, my statements would make perfect sense. The author says not to waste $1200 on a hope for the advanced features of tomorrow, but instead consider only whether you'd be willing to overpay for the modest to moderate performance advancement available from these cards today.I only rephrased that since you're ignoring the quote I keep posting.

What?!?!?

That is not what the author wrote. Now you are just trying to spin the spin.

I'm done, you have proven that Tom's Hardware is biased and Tom's Hardware will go to any length to advance their biased agenda, including paying people to troll the forums to counter any negative comments about Tom's Hardware's bias driven dishonesty in their reviews.

No, I have proven your bias by continuously pointing out the author's original conclusion and waiting only until it was obvious that you would never acknowledge what he actually said before I finally caved in and rephrased it. Up to this point yours could have been an emotional response, but now you've proven the intent of your dishonesty.

 

[drivinfast247]

Everyone has been crying for a true 4k ultra @60fps single card solution. Nvidia delivers. Yet the crying continues.

From the latest reviews I've seen the 2080ti is over 60fps on all latest titles @ 4k resolution.

Yes, the price is high, I don't disagree on that. But it is a brand new generation of hardware.

With all that said. I think the ONLY model that's even worth thinking about purchasing is the 2080ti. Anything less than that you can get a 1080ti and save a few hundred bucks. That is unless the new cards can deliver ray tracing with a minimal hit to the framerates. Then a 2080 might fit the bill for some.

 

[truerock]

Also, HDMI and Display Port is obsolete. Nvidia should not put obsolete technology on their newest cards.

uh...... what did you want. A completely new and proprietary connector?

It has a USB-C connector. The other connectors are obsolete. Obviously I would like to see at least 3 USB-C connectors instead of just 1. Also, I think the VirtualLink technology the USB-C port supports only has 40watts of power. I would prefer that it had 3 USB-C ports, each with the full 100watts of power.

 

[SkyBill40]

Everyone has been crying for a true 4k ultra @60fps single card solution. Nvidia delivers. Yet the crying continues.

From the latest reviews I've seen the 2080ti is over 60fps on all latest titles @ 4k resolution.

Yes, the price is high, I don't disagree on that. But it is a brand new generation of hardware.

With all that said. I think the ONLY model that's even worth thinking about purchasing is the 2080ti. Anything less than that you can get a 1080ti and save a few hundred bucks. That is unless the new cards can deliver ray tracing with a minimal hit to the framerates. Then a 2080 might fit the bill for some.

The price is high. Ridiculously high seems to be the mindset of most. What's their justification for it? Oh, right. It's a new tech being made available... when there are literally NO games available to utilize the tech and there's no telling exactly how long it will be before there are a sufficient number to really see what this card can offer. They're asking people to lay down a huge chunk of cash for something and to take their words on faith which is a problem for most people. RT may prove to be a game changer but it remains to be seen as to how effective it is and at what cost to performance and FPS.

Yes, the 2080Ti can push a solid 60 FPS @ 4k; however, will it still be able to hold those rates that with RT on? Most indications would say that's not likely and if that's the case, what's the point in having it active at all if it can't (speculation here) pull it off? I don't know what's believable at this point seeing that there's a mixed bag of info out there but with those details considered, it looks as thought RT on is a huge tax on the GPU. They weren't even able to hold 60 FPS at 1080p from what I recall with the 2080Ti, but they somehow want $1200+ for that? Yeah, no.

Once there's actual content out there to really put these through their paces, then and only then will we know if any of these cards are "worth" it or a marginal increase in performance over the 10xx series with the added bonus of future tech and for a significant premium in cost.

 

[Barty1884]

It has a USB-C connector. The other connectors are obsolete.

HDMI, DisplayPort and DVI are far from "obsolete". That claim is just ludicrous.

USB-C may be the future, but until that's widely adopted, other connectors are not going to be going anywhere.

Regardless, USB-C is only included (AFAIK) for upcoming VR hardware which will opt for C rather than HDMI.