NVidia vs AMD

[sam_p_lay]

I've done an Intel vs AMD one of these at http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/356450-10-intel

 

[Sumukh_Bhagat]

Prefer nVidia, but would consider AMD

Because of those FXAA and other technologies & GTX 690!

 

[bc5]

Don't forget adaptive v-sync - that's the best feature! ;-) Do you have a GTX690? I need an upgrade soon.

 

[azed3000]

Lol theyre both equal, nvidia and ati are both superior in their own way. Nvidia does offer the gtx 690 however Ati's single gpu 7970 GHZ edition surpasses nvidias gtx 680. Then you got 3D gaming, which nvidia has deemed superior than ati, however ati's best card features 3GB of vram which enables you to play across several monitors without a problem. Theres ups and downs to both, its just preference.

 

[Sumukh_Bhagat]

Don't forget adaptive v-sync - that's the best feature! ;-) Do you have a GTX690? I need an upgrade soon.

:lol: No dude, just a GTX 660.
I said it because GTX 690 is a Dual GPU card! Its a magnificent work to put 2 of them in one. And that outperforms AMD 7990.

 

[Scott_D_Bowen]

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 

[Pyree]

It doesn't outperform 7990. They are equal.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7990-devil13-7970-x2,3329.html

But of course 7990 is not out and I doubt it will.

 

[bc5]

:lol: No dude, just a GTX 660.
I said it because GTX 690 is a Dual GPU card! Its a magnificent work to put 2 of them in one. And that outperforms AMD 7990.

That's a nice GPU you have though! Not so fond of dual-GPU cards myself, would prefer one crazy fast GPU. Which is what I'll buy when the new stuff launches!

 

[Sumukh_Bhagat]

Yup not in every game.
But still Nvidia offers TXAA, Adaptive-Vsync and Physx.

 

[Sumukh_Bhagat]

That's a nice GPU you have though! Not so fond of dual-GPU cards myself, would prefer one crazy fast GPU. Which is what I'll buy when the new stuff launches!

So what are you aiming for? Getting GTX 700s or Radeon 8000s ?

 

[bc5]

So what are you aiming for? Getting GTX 700s or Radeon 8000s ?

GTX700, probably a GTX770. Seems like a safe bet it'll be near enough the same speed as the GTX780 (based on the GTX670, GTX570, GTX470, GTX260 etc) but much cheaper. And I really want something much faster than the GTX670. Hopefully we'll see another huge step forward like GTX200 to GTX400.

I think even for those planning on a Radeon 8000 it would be silly to buy before the GTX700 cards launch, because that's when prices are gonna start dropping.

 

[redeemer]

Yup not in every game.
But still Nvidia offers TXAA, Adaptive-Vsync and Physx.

lol

 

[bc5]

lol

If something about what Sumukh said amused you, could you elaborate on what it was? Just the fact that PhysX and TXAA aren't supported in all games, or something else?

 

[Guest]

You forgot an option --- Best price per performance at time of purchase!

 

[sayantan]

If it is solely for gaming then nvidia.
If you consider gpu compute then AMD.

 

[sam_p_lay]

You forgot an option --- Best price per performance at time of purchase!

Not forgotten, omitted 🙂 I know a lot of people base their decision on exactly that, but I'm not looking for how many people have a preference, but rather, of the people who DO have a preference, which is preferred and is there any room for negotiation. Or to put it another way, I'm interested in preferences, not lack of preferences. If both companies were offering the exact same performance for the exact same money, you'd just have to choose one way or the other.

@sayantan what about CUDA? I don't do any GPU compute stuff, so it's not really of interest to me... but I thought nVidia had an edge there?

 

[sayantan]

Not forgotten, omitted 🙂 I know a lot of people base their decision on exactly that, but I'm not looking for how many people have a preference, but rather, of the people who DO have a preference, which is preferred and is there any room for negotiation. Or to put it another way, I'm interested in preferences, not lack of preferences. If both companies were offering the exact same performance for the exact same money, you'd just have to choose one way or the other.

@sayantan what about CUDA? I don't do any GPU compute stuff, so it's not really of interest to me... but I thought nVidia had an edge there?

You can't beat hardware with software. I would say AMD gpus are much much better than nvidia gpus in compute. I'm talking about consumer GPUs not workstation/supercomputing GPUs . No doubt nvidia cuda is much more mature software than openCL but still you can't beat AMD in compute. As a matter of fact compute performance of 680 is worse than 580. Nvidia kind of traded its compute performance for better efficiency in gaming.

 

[bc5]

Well I'd say that trade beats the alternative 🙂 For gamers anyway! Software can make a huge difference though. Catalyst 12.11 has been a big deal lately, but it's absolutely nothing compared to Detonator 3 / Detonator XP if anyone remembers that? You could argue that gain was a result of terrible drivers initially, but it was still a colossal gain purely from software. Not disagreeing with the compute results though, just highlighting what software can do.

 

[MajinCry]

Well, at my price points, AMD is king. But at the same prices and same performance? Well.

Depends on the shipping cost :3

 

[redeemer]

If something about what Sumukh said amused you, could you elaborate on what it was? Just the fact that PhysX and TXAA aren't supported in all games, or something else?

With current pricing/ performance it is hard to recommend anything Nvidia at present, unless your needs are 3D or Cuda where Nvidia based solution would be best. Really Adaptive Vsync, TXAA, Phyx are gimmicky features that really make no difference at all.

For the money nothing beats the 7950 at this time

 

[mactronix]

You forgot an option --- Best price per performance at time of purchase!

That's my take as well. there was a time not so long ago that my local pricing made a GTX 560Ti the card to go to for all recommendations. Now it's overpriced and outdated.

Mactronix

 

[bc5]

With current pricing/ performance it is hard to recommend anything Nvidia at present, unless your needs are 3D or Cuda where Nvidia based solution would be best. Really Adaptive Vsync, TXAA, Phyx are gimmicky features that really make no difference at all.

For the money nothing beats the 7950 at this time

Have you used adaptive v-sync? Take a look:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/201 [...] y_review/3.

"With Adaptive VSync turned on, the feeling of the game felt smoother compared to regular VSync turned on... It really is the best of all worlds, with no drawbacks. We didn't find any negatives to using Adaptive VSync, and we tried it out in a handful of games."

Also, consider the relative consistency of the performance. Check out:

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited/3

For an alternative way of measuring performance to give a better representation than frames/second of smoothness and responsiveness.

 

[redeemer]

Have you used adaptive v-sync? Take a look:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/201 [...] y_review/3.

"With Adaptive VSync turned on, the feeling of the game felt smoother compared to regular VSync turned on... It really is the best of all worlds, with no drawbacks. We didn't find any negatives to using Adaptive VSync, and we tried it out in a handful of games."

Also, consider the relative consistency of the performance. Check out:

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited/3

For an alternative way of measuring performance to give a better representation than frames/second of smoothness and responsiveness.

Of course I have used it, and really it made no difference at all. Sure a synthetic test maybe be able to find a difference but to the naked eye there is none so it should not be a factor. AMD's vsync methods are just fine and games on both of my systems are smooth for all my games.

It is always amusing to hear games run smoother on Nvidia based solutions.

 

[bc5]

Guess it depends on the user then - [H]ardOCP doesn't agree with you. They state unequivocally that gameplay feels smoother with adaptive v-sync.

 

[mactronix]

Guess it depends on the user then - [H]ardOCP doesn't agree with you. They state unequivocally that gameplay feels smoother with adaptive v-sync.

Over the years I have found [H] to be, shall we say less than 100% unbiased and reputable as far as benchmarks/results and findings are concerned.

Pretty much every thing is subjective when discussing image quality and the feel of the game play. Personally I have never had an issue with V-sync one way or the other. I understand what they are doing with this version and it does make a difference in some scenario's.

Mactronix