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I disagree ... politely of course. :)

I think IVB was specifically optimised for the mobile space ... hence the thermal ramping problem with overclocking is inherent when the device is really designed to operate slower at a lower voltage and be a real power miser.

Its about 4% faster than SBE and falls short overclocking compared to SB and SBE ... work out the math any way you like but for serviously stable overclocking on water or superior air it won't match up thermally.

However in the moble space I believe it will achieve some wonderous results once all of those additional low power circuitry is brought to bear.

Its a leap forward in terms of environmental sustainability ... thats not something to fob off either.

Its clever how they avoided damaging their own market and moving forward on the mobile space.


 
Wait what, how can a marginally faster chip reflect slower performance to a older chip, a IB clocked at 3.8ghz is about 4ghz to a SB or just under, memory performance wise, great fun with SuperPi and MaXXMem. The SB refused to run stable at 2133mhz, IB does that easily, pushed a 2400mhz speed. 8M SuperPi in 1m17s and a HWBot MaxxMem around 2200 marks.

HD 4000 lol, rather not go there.
 
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IMC tweaks plus a higher stock memory speed allows for higher memory overclocks.

As for HD4K, pointless to us unless you use QS then it becomes very viable.
 
At least Intel had the integrity to admit that there was a heat issue with Ivy. Has Tom's Hardware asked Intel if they plan to make any necessary adjustments with their choice in thermal paste?

I'm also curious if there are any other issues with Ivy such as bios, drivers or any bug issues that also need to be worked out?
 
Why are we still going on about this thermal issue with Ivy ? The whole thing was tested and reported within a few days of the chip being released.
Then Toms publish the story a week late (as usual) and here we are later still posting more not news about how there is an issue with Ivy and the change of thermal compound in the chip.

Mactronix :)
 
true, why keep kicking a dead horse? but haters will hate.
though i do find it interesting if removing the IHS and applying liquid pro would reduce the heat. i was disappointed the article didn't show the steps in replacing the IHS, which i ASSUME they did. i do not think the hardcore modders are concerned with voiding the warranty like they were when lapping a cpu a few years ago.
 
I think instead of reporting more of the heat problems of IB (which we already know), we should start focusing more on possible solutions, replies from Intel, and basically anything that may make the situation better. For example, I'm sure that a thread in the CPU section describing how to switch out the IHS for liquid pro (or other paste) would get stickied, since I'm sure most people with IB would at least look into that (I personally don't have enough balls and/or skills to actually mess with the chip).
 
If enough people (including Tom's & other great websites) join together & plead with Intel to replace the thermal paste with a paste that works much better, then, Intel really should respond to their customers requests. It's such an easy solution. This is a good reason to keep bringing the heat issue to Intel's attention.

I'm also curious if there are any other issues with Ivy such as bios, drivers or any bug issues that also need to be worked out? I've heard nothing about any of those potential issues possibly due to the heat issue.
 
Well it seems obvious to me that they did this on purpose, I mean they had to change the production process to make it happen so its not like its something they didn't test and know about.
Was it cost ? Was it to stop people getting huge over clocks on the chips to protect future sales ?

We wont know for sure but those are the two most probable options for me.


Mactronix :)
 
about the ivb heat issue and t.i.m. ... it seems like a business decision by intel.
i can't explain how...i am guesssing that intel may be trying to protect their sb-e platform as well as ivb-e and haswell. sb-e isn't fully validated for pcie 3.0, ivb is. cpus like i7 3770k is better performer, more power-friendly than i7 3820. ivb cpus are cheaper too.
intel's way - focus stays on mobile and ultramobile sector, desktop gets less attention but decent chips. unlocked desktop chips are not 'required' to be overclocked. intel doesn't cover overclocking under their standard warranty. imo intel has always being kinda against overclocking.
unlocked ivb, despite being a good overclocker, has to contend with smaller die area, possibly inferior t.i.m. most of the advantages like better igpu, power efficiency is geared towards mobile sector.
 


A few problems though, Ivy Bridge only has dual channel, DMI and 20 PCIe 3.0 (or less) lanes while SB-E has quad channel, QPI and it is validated for PCIe 3.0, TG found a driver update fixed their issues with the speeds.

As for IB-E, I have heard rumor that it might get canned as Haswell is expected to be out during the same period and would be a better performer.

And any CPU company is against overclocking. AMD and Intel both viod warranties when its a failure due to overclocking. Its normal as they have no control over it.
 
So since I'm planning on doing a gaming centric build soon... What RAM would be best for IVB? Lower Timing or higher frequency? Really confuses me as to what would be beneficial considering IVB's architecture. Also I'm kinda bummed about this whole heating fiasco, I was looking forward to a tad more for IVB, but since I can't really wait for Haswell I'm screwed :heink:
Just out of curiosity what would perform better in gaming, a i7 980X not OC'd or one of the new IVB quads? My current rig has the six core Nehalem paired with an aged 5870 so I was just gonna sell em. Kinda curious as to how much better intel's CPUs have gotten when it comes to gaming.

Cheers,
wasabiman123
 
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