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I am expecting to get a Ultrabook rather soon, personally I am not into the whole performance notebook market due to the lack of flexibility in mobi setups. Looking to see what kind of demand is placed on it and also temperatures that is a big factor against notebooks.
 


None. The stock Intel cooler is only rated to their TDP which would mean only the stock frequencies. You want to overclock? Get a after market cooler.
 
With a caveat.
Intel is saying this about overclocking: "So what we are saying is this: Go ahead and push it, we've got your back".

Performance Tuning Protection Plan by Intel
http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/
 
Hey Mal;
Happy Trinity launch day.

I don't think anyone is going to think Intel is doing that program out of kindness or generosity. Personally, I think they feel they can learn enough through returned CPU post mortem exams to make the program worthwhile. Or maybe they're taking a calculated PR spin on it.
 


True but you are paying an extra fee on top.

In normal circumstances, Intel is not going to warranty overclocking unless you have paid for that plan.

Plus that is for the super OCers TBH. Normal ones (stay just a bit above stock voltage around the 4.4-4.5GHz range) wont need it as the CPU should not go bad.
 
Here's a thread discussing some bios, drivers & bug issues with the Ivy Bridge CPU and GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1692876

Some issues are mentioned in Newegg reviews as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=3891137&SID=rewrite

I'd also like to see some test results on the i7 3770 (without the k) on Intel's stock CPU cooler to confirm the heat issue one way or the other.

I don't feel comfortable taking a chance on the heat issue when it gets up to 80f inside my house since we don't have central air. We basically live in a desert in the summer. I can't risk this CPU dying on me due to heat exhaustion.
 
come-on. I'm not exactly sure, but I think you misunderstand the "Heat Issue". 80F = 27C, 100F = 38C. None exists at stock.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1741/18/
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1924/8/
 
As far as I am concerned the heat issue is non existent unless you are looking for extreme over clocking.
Most people I talk to pretty much agree that Intel did the whole change of thermal substance to restrict the Over clocking of IB.

IB is basically an incremental improvement from SB on the graphics side as well as being more power efficient at stock speeds.

If you have a SB set up its a non event unless you are going up from a lower spec CPU. Like for like its just not worth it to upgrade.

AMD up graders might want to look at IB, I'm in the UK and for about a week it was possible to get a SB set (Z68) up for considerably cheaper than a IB set up (Z77). The shops have pushed the price up to match now so its a little pointless not going with IB.

Mactronix :)
 

I know the difference in temps between f and c. My point was about the ambient room temps in my house where this computer will be as temps can hit 85f and I have yet to see any tests on the 3770 with Intel's' stock cooler at full load with those room temps. That's what I need to see confirmed before I buy.

The link you posted said:

"The average temperature of the Intel core i7 3770k under a full load with default settings was only 54.5 degrees Celsius. Once we started pumping 1.35 Volts through the processor our temperatures increased dramatically, our average temperature across all of the cores was 92.5 Degrees Celsius, and one of the cores was hitting as high as 96 degrees Celsius!"
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1924/8/
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But they didn't mention what the room temps were while testing. It makes a difference if the air flowing through the case is 70f or 85f.

As someone else said:

"Using the stock heatsink in 80F ambient temps will affect over CPU temps. It may not nessicarly overheat and shutdown on you, but if the surrounding air that is being pulled into the case is warm/hot then it will inevitably bring up the temps of the chip. Going with an aftermarket cooler would help and water cooling would be even better, but you still need to remember that they will all be sucking in hot air.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/335010-28-3770-temps
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I'm also waiting for all the bios, drivers & bug issues with the Ivy Bridge CPU to be worked out especially with the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H mobo.

Here's a thread discussing those issues

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1692876
 
@jose - i've read a bunch of reviews/articles that show ivb i5 and i7's tjmax temperature is 105c (coretemp screeny) and when overclocked with 1.35 vcore along with appropriate settings, the temps can rise as high as 98c. stock temps don't rise that much even on load. i think there's a legitreviews article on core i7 3770k oc (engineering sample, not retail).
the stock cooler is likely to be rated for 95w max. so, overclocking on the stock cooler is not an option. 3770 (non k) won't be much faster than 2600 (non k), if you're worried about cooling, you could go for the i7 2600. bigger die area, better t.i.m. on sb - better cooling.
 
^ I've been looking forward to the new Ivy 3770 for a long time now but, I didn't expect heat issues. We need to i7 for the workloads that we do and for the new features that go with Ivy and the z77 mobos.

I just wanted confirmation that the i7 3770 (without the k) will remain cool enough with Intel's stock cooler in room temps up to 80/85 in the summer under full loads. Can anybody test that for me? It should be able to be done with the k version too by simply testing it at stock default with stock cooler in a room in say 85f room temps under full load. That's a test I'd like to see.

 
@jose: it's okay to expect but... this is a site where most people would buy overclockable cpus like 3570k, 3770k or higher - 3930k. if you want to find vanilla 3770 performance review, you might have to wait for a while. few people would buy locked 3770 and even fewer people might share the same situation as you. you're better off asking someone who builds pc or open a thread about your issue. you might end up guesstimating....
this is the article i was refering to earlier:
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1924/8/
if you check the values with 'core i7 3770k @default' that's as close as a 3770 temperature you'll get right now. also check their test system - they used a corsair a70 with two fans.
 

"but... this is a site where most people would buy overclockable cpus like 3570k, 3770k or higher - 3930k"

True but, gamers are a small minority - most people don't overclock at all. None of the testing of the Ivy Bridge CPU's I've seen so far were done with stock coolers and they were performed in room temps of around 70f. I need testing confirmation that the i7 3770 (without the k) will not go passed 60c in room temps of up to 85f under full work loads with the stock Intel cooler. I don't want to have to buy an after market cooler and certainly not a water cooler if I don't need to. My CPU budget is already topped out with the i7, which was expected but, the extra coolers were not. Still, the after market coolers will also be dealing with 85f temps too. So, my question remains a valid one considering the heat issues with Ivy.
 


Indeed they pretty much are. The question now is; what will the Ivy temps be with the Intel stock cooler tested in 85f room temps under full load?
 

i may be misunderstanding since i did not throughly read ALL of the last dozen posts but to answer:

if you look back in this thread you will see that heat becomes an "issue" ONLY when overclocking. so it would be very reasonable to assume a non "K" would not succumb to the same "problem".
 
I think jose has a very valid point.

Its a little assuming in my opinion to suggest that everyone here is not going to buy such a chip without extra cooling.
Lots of people I know on forums are in fact system builders, they just don't make a point of saying so. You get a lot of un solicited mail if people know. Can you get me this or that for cost etc. 😉

I noticed this over on Overclockers Jose, I think it answers your question.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18401945


Mactronix :)
 

I learned many years ago NEVER to assume anything. The question still remains to be answered; what will the Ivy temps be with the Intel stock cooler tested in 85f room temps under full load? At 85 degree room temps and the CPU at full load even an after market cooler is questionable.

I hope those who claim heat is not an issue at stock are right but, at 85 degree room temps I'm seeing no reason to believe that at this point. It's difficult to cool things down when you're trying to do it with hot air. Some are glossing over the 85 degree room temps - it matters.
 



Well you are asking a very specific question there, I have posted something I thought relevant and which at least tells you that the stock cooler runs hot, guess we all knew that though.
I don't think anyone will know the answer to your question so short of trying it yourself I don't think you will get an answer.

Personally I don't see the issue, 85f is only just below 30c.

Mactronix :)
 

do not get hung up over one word; assume. how about conclude, predict, forecast, believe . . . . ? and you do assume more than you think, when you go to sleep at night you assume you are going to woke up in the morning. its about what i stated . . . REASONABLE. higher life forms have the power to reason, enjoy your's or go crawl under a rock and become a slug. (ps. then stay away from salt!)

i do understand your skepticism for a particular instance but the best than can be done is to draw an inference (better word?) from the conclusions of previous results.
 
"I don't see the issue, 85f is only just below 30c. "

I cannot trust that assumption when all of the tests have been performed in room temps of around 70f - that's a 15 degree difference in the air that is suppose to cool the CPU and flow throughout the case. So, I'd still like to see testing at full load in 85 degree room temps on Intel's stock cooler for confirmation that the temps won't go passed 60c.
 



Its not an assumption its a fact 85f is only just below 30c, that is not a unusually high temperature for an enviroment to be operating a PC in.

A quote from the link I supplied,

Im just using the stock hs/fan with the 3770k temporarily and was wondering what sort of temps I should be getting, running at stock speed.

Idle realtemp says 30c, Under full load prime95 im getting 85c which seems high
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Now granted we don't know what the temperature in this guys room is where he has the PC but it does answer your question which is as follows.

[quoteSo, I'd still like to see testing at full load in 85 degree room temps on Intel's stock cooler for confirmation that the temps won't go passed 60c.][/quote]

Answer: Yes it will. Fact. move on please

Mactronix :)
 
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