Official Intel Ivy Bridge Discussion

[earl45]

Its not an assumption its a fact 85f is only just below 30c, that is not a unusually high temperature for an enviroment to be operating a PC in.

A quote from the link I supplied,

Im just using the stock hs/fan with the 3770k temporarily and was wondering what sort of temps I should be getting, running at stock speed.

Idle realtemp says 30c, Under full load prime95 im getting 85c which seems high

Now granted we don't know what the temperature in this guys room is where he has the PC but it does answer your question which is as follows.

[quoteSo, I'd still like to see testing at full load in 85 degree room temps on Intel's stock cooler for confirmation that the temps won't go passed 60c.][/quote]

Answer: Yes it will. Fact. move on please

Mactronix

+1 No one who has a 3770k is running it with the stock cooler, knowing that it will run hotter then SB when overclocked.
That's why I love Fry's Electronics 15 days to test drive your purchase and if you don't like it return it no questions asked.

 

[josejones]

Now granted we don't know what the temperature in this guys room is where he has the PC but it does answer your question which is as follows.

So, I'd still like to see testing at full load in 85 degree room temps on Intel's stock cooler for confirmation that the temps won't go passed 60c.

Answer: Yes it will. Fact. move on please

Unless otherwise stated, there's no reason to assume the room temps were above around 70f, which is a 15 degree difference in the air flowing throughout the case. It most certainly does matter.

I won't be letting it go until I have confirmation. I do not base my views on assumptions. I'm not a gamer, I have loads of WORK to do and if Ivy can't remain cool enough then, I'll have to wait for AMD's latest. I don't want Sandy Bridge and I sure as hell want nothing to do with the Bulldozer.

 

[earl45]

Now granted we don't know what the temperature in this guys room is where he has the PC but it does answer your question which is as follows.

So, I'd still like to see testing at full load in 85 degree room temps on Intel's stock cooler for confirmation that the temps won't go passed 60c.

Answer: Yes it will. Fact. move on please

Unless otherwise stated, there's no reason to assume the room temps were above around 70f, which is a 15 degree difference in the air flowing throughout the case. It most certainly does matter.

I won't be letting it go until I have confirmation. I do not base my views on assumptions. I'm not a gamer, I have loads of WORK to do and if Ivy can't remain cool enough then, I'll have to wait for AMD's latest. I don't want Sandy Bridge and I sure as hell want nothing to do with the Bulldozer.

Either buy it and confirm it for yourself or move on.

 

[mactronix]

I think someone is looking to book a holiday.

Mactronix

 

[earl45]

Now granted we don't know what the temperature in this guys room is where he has the PC but it does answer your question which is as follows.

So, I'd still like to see testing at full load in 85 degree room temps on Intel's stock cooler for confirmation that the temps won't go passed 60c.

Answer: Yes it will. Fact. move on please

Unless otherwise stated, there's no reason to assume the room temps were above around 70f, which is a 15 degree difference in the air flowing throughout the case. It most certainly does matter.

I won't be letting it go until I have confirmation. I do not base my views on assumptions. I'm not a gamer, I have loads of WORK to do and if Ivy can't remain cool enough then, I'll have to wait for AMD's latest. I don't want Sandy Bridge and I sure as hell want nothing to do with the Bulldozer.

The answer you seek is not to important too others that are buying the 3770k, not to say it's not
important to you, your answer can't be found here.
I own both chips the 2600k and 3770k and I can't give you the answer to your question.

 

[earl45]

Mal if PD is as good as people hope I will build my first AMD system, but it has to be better
at what I do obver what I have.

sorry wrong place.

 

[josejones]

No need to be an ass about it - it's just not necessary. This is the Ivy Bridge thread. So, realize that if you don't like my posts asking questions about Ivy Bridge CPU's in the Ivy Bridge thread, nobody is twisting anyone's arm forcing anyone to respond. The fact remains that my question is a perfectly valid one. So, get over yourselves, please - threats of "moderation warnings" are way out of line.

 

[Guest]

No need to be an ass about it - it's just not necessary. This is the Ivy Bridge thread. So, realize that if you don't like my posts asking questions about Ivy Bridge CPU's in the Ivy Bridge thread, nobody is twisting anyone's arm forcing anyone to respond. The fact remains that my question is a perfectly valid one. So, get over yourselves, please - threats of "moderation warnings" are way out of line.

your question was answered by several people on THIS thread. apparently non of the replies were good enough for your criteria. yes this an IB thread but not a i7-3770 temperature thread.

so that begs the question:
why are you still asking here?

while you are wasting your time beating a dead horse you could start a thread which will gain the attention of someone that does have a i7-3770 and can give you confirmation since no one here can.

 

[earl45]

your question was answered by several people on THIS thread. apparently non of the replies were good enough for your criteria. yes this an IB thread but not a i7-3770 temperature thread.

so that begs the question:
why are you still asking here?

while you are wasting your time beating a dead horse you could start a thread which will gain the attention of someone that does have a i7-3770 and can give you confirmation since no one here can.

Totally agree with your assessment.

 

[josejones]

"your question was answered by several people on THIS thread"

No, it absolutely has not been answered. Speculation and assumptions are not good advice. Not sure why you're even responding. If you have no answer to my question then, why even respond at all? Nobody is twisting anyone's arm forcing anyone to respond. The fact remains that my question is a perfectly valid one and it's in the Ivy Bridge thread.

The fact remains that 85 degree room temps will certainly make difference even with an aftermarket cooler and even a water cooler. I'm simply trying to sus out just how much of a difference it would make on a stock cooler. If others weren't reporting 80c and 90c CPU temps I wouldn't be concerned but, there's a lot of people talking about it elsewhere too. I'm not the only one concerned about it.

Plus, when Tom's and other places do benchmark testing they should keep in mind that not everybody has central air or air conditioning - and again, that can have a profound effect on CPU temps. Seems like basic common sense. So, I'm not interested in other people crying and whining about my asking a valid question.

 

[ddan49]

"The slow death of overclocking"?! Nooooooo! 🙁
So what they're saying is that Intel is purposely trying to make it harder to overclock? I'm scandalized!

 

[anxiousinfusion]

"The slow death of overclocking"?! Nooooooo! 🙁
So what they're saying is that Intel is purposely trying to make it harder to overclock? I'm scandalized!

For some reason, though, it doesn't surprise me that it is. Seeing as a chip's frequency is less and less of a factor in performance as new chips are developed.

 

[Reynod]

Guys being impolite to a user asking a valid question and then telling them to go away is unacceptable.

If any moderation is going to be done then your not going to be happy with the result.

Please be polite to each other and appreciate that other users mught not understand some of your points, so be prepared to explain them simply.

Moreover, this is not your personal thread as such.

the sticky was created to encourage discussion about new products around the title of the topic.

De expect that other users will pop in and ask for a bit of help.

When users complain about being treated poorly in the forums the moderator group looks at the complaint as a team ... not me per se.

 

[ctbaars]

...If any moderation is going to be done then your not going to be happy with the result.
...

I apologize to the community for starting with the responses to Josejones on 5/19, after midnight. It was only afterwards that I realized Josejones has been on this one note for over a month. I accept the banishment as fair. 🙁

 

[Reynod]

Lets just try to be a bit more lenient with others.

If she starts a new thread I will try to assist her with the problem ... but frankly most of you have the answer for her ... its just a question of explaining it clearly.

Remember guys, most of you know quite a lot about the topic, but new users might not understand some of the finer points as most of you "gloss over" them as these points become part of your commonly held ideas ...

Its a bit like culture ... hard to explain unless your a member.

I'll take a break too.

 

[josejones]

I apologize to the community for starting with the responses to Josejones on 5/19, after midnight. It was only afterwards that I realized Josejones has been on this one note for over a month. I accept the banishment as fair. 🙁

Not a month, I brought it up on 04-29-2012 on page 5 due to reviews bringing up the heat issue. Then, later it was explained to me that 85f indoor room temps matter and will make a difference. At that point, I became a bit more concerned and the answers I got were speculation and assumption based.

"Using the stock heatsink in 80F ambient temps will affect over CPU temps. It may not nessicarly overheat and shutdown on you, but if the surrounding air that is being pulled into the case is warm/hot then it will inevitably bring up the temps of the chip. Going with an aftermarket cooler would help and water cooling would be even better, but you still need to remember that they will all be sucking in hot air."

This quote made sense to me and seemed like basic common sense. So, I simply wanted to find out more to be sure as I've never had experience dealing with such hot indoor room temps before.

"Ivy Bridge proven to suffer from poor thermal grease"
http://vr-zone.com/articles/ivy-bridge-proven-to-suffer-from-poor-thermal-grease/15844.html

I did start a thread on this issue - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/335271-28-3770-heat-tests-room-temps

 

[anxiousinfusion]

we can get back to the thread starting with my last posting about Ive bringing a slow death of overclocking...?
(just a suggestion.)
😗

Personally, I welcome the era of non-overclockable chips. If you need such extreme performance simply buy a better chip.

 

[Cazalan]

I'm sure if you petition Intel and ask for an extreme edition Ivy Bridge with solder paste you'll get your $1000 CPU choice back. 😉

Although I assume higher end models are already in the queue. We've just seen the first of many Ivy SKUs.

 

[de5_Roy]

^^ heh, intel might put superior t.i.m. under the heatspreader of some harvested ivb xeons and sell them as ivy bridge-e later this year, promising 'superior performance, overclocking and cooling'.
i bet some sites will even praise such cpus as they tear through benchmarks at stock and at oc.

 

[Cazalan]

Or they could go the other route and start cranking the GPU clock.
These i5 models with 18% higher GPU.

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27258-core-i5-3365m-and-core-i5-3325m-in-q3-2012

 

[ddan49]

So is Intel trying to move their CPUs to compete with the APUs from AMD? I'd rather have an Intel CPU (even Pentium) with a dedicated GPU, personally.

 

[Reynod]

Indeed they pretty much are. The question now is; what will the Ivy temps be with the Intel stock cooler tested in 85f room temps under full load?

85 degrees is a cold day here in Australia ... under 30 degrees C.



The answer is "well within operational parameters on a stock cooler" ... looking at the delta on a stock cooler it probably wouldn't go much past 45 to 50 ... note full load is a bit of a misnomer.

full load gaming vs full load under the PRIME torture / heater is two different things.

1. At stock speeds the IB CPU's draw less power (idle or under full load or prime) than comparable SB / SBE / Nehalem CPU's.

2. They are slightly more efficient (more performance per watt).

3. They have slight improvements in voltage control circuitry to improve efficiency in the mobile enrironment too.

4. The 22nm node generates a slight thermal efficiency at a lower VCore anyway.


These things ONLY become an issue if your trying to push the Vcore over about 1.25 Volts or more ... at 1.3Volts they become exciting as thermally they ramp fast ... compared to SBE which seems to be able to achieve higher clocks and doesn't ramp as quickly.

There is your definitive answer ... hit me with a wet trout if you feel the need to.

There is no way on earth Intel would sell something in their nice Blue box if it would not stand up to normal use ... since they torture them far behond that.

Their quality control people are pretty thorough ... since the days of FDiv they have been torturing thir product to no end to ensure minimal "undocemented features' and "processor errata".

We should put their quality control people in charge of nuclear reactors ... wait ... they would increase the price to much ... lets stay with Fukushima ad the mafia ... its cheaper ... and the mess is elswhere ... at the moment.

 

[Cazalan]

So is Intel trying to move their CPUs to compete with the APUs from AMD? I'd rather have an Intel CPU (even Pentium) with a dedicated GPU, personally.

Intel said they were sticking with 4 cores for the desktop for a while, so the only place to improve greatly is with the GPU. HD 4000 was a good step for Intel since they didn't have DX11 yet. Haswell is looking to more than double that performance. The APU was a necessary progression for all computers simply to remove parts from the motherboard.

There's no end in sight for dedicated GPUs of course. They're getting into the 3-7 billion transistor count range. Intel has one in the works as well (Knights Corner/Landing) but it may not show up until 14nm.

 

[josejones]

^ REYNOD, obviously I'm talking about INDOOR room temps.

"what will the Ivy temps be with the Intel stock cooler tested in 85f room temps under full load?"

People are seeing temps reach 70c, 80c, 90c and beyond. I've been reading reviews here and elsewhere. I asked Intel about it and I received a canned response:

At Intel's website:

Processors
What do I do if my computer is overheating?
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-029427.htm

How to apply Thermal Interface Material (TIM)
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-030329.htm

"Intel will be offering the thermal interface material replacement in a syringe and pillow pack for both current and legacy Boxed Intel® Desktop and Server processors over the next few months. After that, the syringe-based thermal interface material will be phased out in favor of the pillow pack version."

Which may be purchased online here:

Thermal Interface Material (grease)
http://click.intel.com/Thermal_Interface_Material_grease_-P1029.aspx

"Using the stock heatsink in 80F ambient temps will affect over CPU temps. It may not overheat and shutdown on you, but if the surrounding air that is being pulled into the case is warm/hot then it will inevitably bring up the temps of the chip. Going with an aftermarket cooler would help and water cooling would be even better, but you still need to remember that they will all be sucking in hot air."

"Ivy Bridge proven to suffer from poor thermal grease"
http://vr-zone.com/articles/ivy-bridge-proven-to-suffer-from-poor-thermal-grease/15844.html

 

[EXT64]

I'm sorry, I know this has already been asked a while back (not trying to be rude), but why can't you get a cheap aftermarket cooler (Hyper 212+, ~$20) which will keep temps well below 60C, even at your ambient temps?