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No giant chocolate villains. Instead, we got a reg code valid for 14
days, to give to our beloved as a Valentine's day gift. <3 Uh oh. I can
see how that would be popular. Not. And behold, in my vision I saw,
scattered all across the continent, guys sleeping on the couch, as
numerous as grains of sand upon the beach ...

Is it just me, or is this the silliest thing NCSoft has done till now?

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Magnus Itland <itlandm@online.no> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>No giant chocolate villains. Instead, we got a reg code valid for 14
>days, to give to our beloved as a Valentine's day gift. <3 Uh oh. I can
>see how that would be popular. Not. And behold, in my vision I saw,
>scattered all across the continent, guys sleeping on the couch, as
>numerous as grains of sand upon the beach ...
>
>Is it just me, or is this the silliest thing NCSoft has done till now?

I got that mail today and was a bit pissed off at first.

But it's not that bad I guess - they want new players and this could
possibly get some as long as people don't make this the _only_ v-day
gift given.

The "if a 14 day trial you gave becomes a paid account - you go into the
pool of potential CoV beta testers" is likely to be a selling point for
some.

Hell, I bet there will be people who will use that trial themselves as a
second box AND reg it just to have a shot at the beta.

Xocyll
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:52:02 +0100, Magnus Itland <itlandm@online.no> wrote:

> Is it just me, or is this the silliest thing NCSoft has done till now?

I think it's kind of a neat idea.

Note that, when you read the fine print, a gift-ee has to create a CoH
account to redeem the gift, for which he has to enter either a valid
credit card or a 60-day City of Heroes prepaid time card code--just as
someone who buys the retail box must. So really it's not as much of a
"free" trial as it sounds like; it's basically equivalent to the
Europeans' purchase of a CoH/USA CD key on-line and download of the
software, except the giftee receives only half a free month instead of
a whole one. So if you look at it that way, it's basically more of a
"get your CD key/starter game free and save $18" ($25 current Amazon
retail value of the CoH CD box, minus 1/2 of a $15 month) deal.

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:52:02 +0100, Magnus Itland <itlandm@online.no>
wrote:

>No giant chocolate villains. Instead, we got a reg code valid for 14
>days, to give to our beloved as a Valentine's day gift. <3 Uh oh. I can
>see how that would be popular. Not. And behold, in my vision I saw,
>scattered all across the continent, guys sleeping on the couch, as
>numerous as grains of sand upon the beach ...
>
>Is it just me, or is this the silliest thing NCSoft has done till now?

Not silly at all. I know many women that got hooked into gaming after
much resistance once they were finally convinced to actually try it.
😉

Now, if you're stupid enough to give your girl this key as their
-only- VDay present, then, yeah, you're on the couch. And rightly so.
But that's your own stupidity, not Cryptic's.

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:52:11 GMT, Robotech_Master <robotech@eyrie.org>
wrote:

>Note that, when you read the fine print, a gift-ee has to create a CoH
>account to redeem the gift, for which he has to enter either a valid
>credit card or a 60-day City of Heroes prepaid time card code--just as
>someone who buys the retail box must. So really it's not as much of a
>"free" trial as it sounds like

Halt. Yes, you have to enter a CC#. But you're not charged if you quit
after the 15 days. And you haven't had to buy the software. So, yes,
it is free. Now, if you buy a game card, it's not -as- free. You still
don't have to buy the software, right? Unless there's fine print on
the website itself. But the email doesn't say anything about that.

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:56:42 -0800, Dark Tyger <darktiger@somewhere.net> wrote:

> Halt. Yes, you have to enter a CC#. But you're not charged if you
> quit after the 15 days. And you haven't had to buy the
> software. So, yes, it is free. Now, if you buy a game card, it's
> not -as- free. You still don't have to buy the software, right?
> Unless there's fine print on the website itself. But the email
> doesn't say anything about that.

But if someone doesn't have a valid credit or debit card (which is
more people than you might think), they can't use it without buying
the time card. To those people, it won't really be "free."

Furthermore, remember the old saw about Linux being free only if your
time is worthless to you. Something similar applies here...it may be
free monetarily, but you still have the inconvenience of entering a
credit card number. There are a lot of people who are reluctant to
enter a card number to take advantage of a "free" offer...so to them
it won't really be "free" either.

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Robotech_Master |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:52:59 GMT, Robotech_Master <robotech@eyrie.org>
wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:56:42 -0800, Dark Tyger <darktiger@somewhere.net> wrote:
>
>> Halt. Yes, you have to enter a CC#. But you're not charged if you
>> quit after the 15 days. And you haven't had to buy the
>> software. So, yes, it is free. Now, if you buy a game card, it's
>> not -as- free. You still don't have to buy the software, right?
>> Unless there's fine print on the website itself. But the email
>> doesn't say anything about that.
>
>But if someone doesn't have a valid credit or debit card (which is
>more people than you might think), they can't use it without buying
>the time card. To those people, it won't really be "free."

Well, in this case, if someone is already thinking about staying on
with the game, they're getting the software for free. Basically,
they're giving up have their free month for getting the client free.

>Furthermore, remember the old saw about Linux being free only if your
>time is worthless to you. Something similar applies here...it may be
>free monetarily, but you still have the inconvenience of entering a
>credit card number. There are a lot of people who are reluctant to
>enter a card number to take advantage of a "free" offer...so to them
>it won't really be "free" either.

Okay, now that's a pretty stupid stretch, frankly.

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In article <slrnd0utud.iup.robotech@terrania.homelinux.org>,
Robotech_Master wrote:
> Furthermore, remember the old saw about Linux being free only if your
> time is worthless to you. Something similar applies here...it may be
> free monetarily, but you still have the inconvenience of entering a
> credit card number. There are a lot of people who are reluctant to
> enter a card number to take advantage of a "free" offer...so to them
> it won't really be "free" either.

Well, then I guess they'll be out the money they paid for i-- oh, wait.

Some people would complain if free money was stuffed into their pockets,
because then they have to reach in and get it out again and the jeans
pockets chafe their hands so.

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"Religion disperses like a fog, kingdoms perish, but the works of
scholars remain for an eternity." - Ulughbek
 
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:56:02 GMT, Robotech_Master <robotech@eyrie.org>
wrote:

>Shrug. IMO, "have this with no strings attached" = free. "Have this
>but you have to give us your credit card number to use it" = not as
>free.

Free=not paying money. That's all. Doesn't matter how you try to
re-define it, free just means you don't pay money.

--
Dark Tyger

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:02:33 -0800, Dark Tyger <darktiger@somewhere.net> wrote:

> Free=not paying money. That's all. Doesn't matter how you try to
> re-define it, free just means you don't pay money.

According to m-w.com, definition 10 of "free" is "not costing or
charging anything." It doesn't say "not costing or charging *money*".

One of the definitions for "cost" is:

1 b: the outlay or expenditure (as of effort or sacrifice) made to
achieve an object ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The requirement to provide your credit card is, thus, a *cost*.

If there is a *cost* associated with something, it is not *free*,
because *free* means "not costing or charging *anything*".

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:12:52 GMT, Robotech_Master <robotech@eyrie.org>
wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:02:33 -0800, Dark Tyger <darktiger@somewhere.net> wrote:
>
>> Free=not paying money. That's all. Doesn't matter how you try to
>> re-define it, free just means you don't pay money.
>
>According to m-w.com, definition 10 of "free" is "not costing or
>charging anything." It doesn't say "not costing or charging *money*".
>
>One of the definitions for "cost" is:
>
>1 b: the outlay or expenditure (as of effort or sacrifice) made to
>achieve an object ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The requirement to provide your credit card is, thus, a *cost*.
>
>If there is a *cost* associated with something, it is not *free*,
>because *free* means "not costing or charging *anything*".

If you consider punching in a series of numbers to be an "effort" or a
"cost", then, quite bluntly, you're smegging lazy and/or insane. It
doesn't fall under "cost" by any rational stretch of the imagination.

--
Dark Tyger

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In article <slrnd11u16.iup.robotech@terrania.homelinux.org>,
Robotech_Master wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:02:33 -0800, Dark Tyger <darktiger@somewhere.net>
wrote:
>> Free=not paying money. That's all. Doesn't matter how you try to
>> re-define it, free just means you don't pay money.
>
> According to m-w.com, definition 10 of "free" is "not costing or
> charging anything." It doesn't say "not costing or charging *money*".
>
> One of the definitions for "cost" is:
>
> 1 b: the outlay or expenditure (as of effort or sacrifice) made to
> achieve an object ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> The requirement to provide your credit card is, thus, a *cost*.
>
> If there is a *cost* associated with something, it is not *free*,
> because *free* means "not costing or charging *anything*".

<long pause>

<yawn>

<glances around>

Free 15 day pass to CoH.

It is what it is.

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In article <kd2211tts0b48al5ipvvdkuveadj9cm6bj@4ax.com>, Dark Tyger wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 19:12:52 GMT, Robotech_Master <robotech@eyrie.org>
>>If there is a *cost* associated with something, it is not *free*,
>>because *free* means "not costing or charging *anything*".
>
> If you consider punching in a series of numbers to be an "effort" or a
> "cost", then, quite bluntly, you're smegging lazy and/or insane. It
> doesn't fall under "cost" by any rational stretch of the imagination.

This is the internet. Rationality has no place here.

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"Religion disperses like a fog, kingdoms perish, but the works of
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