check this link it it shows what the p4 can do when optimized.
http://www.aceshardware.com/#N25000300
http://www.aceshardware.com/#N25000300
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(I was going to say something else but I decided not to cause I don't want to start a flame war).>>>
thank god i wouldn't want tom to have to censor any posts.
(I was going to say something else but I decided not to cause I don't want to start a flame war).>>>
thank god i wouldn't want tom to have to censor any posts.
Yup, sure does, the P4 1.4Ghz is now only 2 seconds slower than a 1.2Ghz TBird and not 66 seconds. If only AMD would make a compiler that effective. Intel's compiler cut the time down in half for it's processor, while it only helped out AMD's by about 35%.
"Check this link it shows what the p4 can do when optimized."
First I will post the scores and then I will tare them apart. The benchmarks are in seconds so lower score is better.
The first column is the "old version" the second is "p3 optimized" and the third is "P4 optimized". I dropped the P3 and duron from the test because they never won. (Not the Duron 900 came in last on everything).
P4 1.7 Ghz |155 | 80 | 74 |
P4 1.4 Ghz |182 | n/a| 85 |
T-Bird 1.2 |116 | 83 | n/a|
1. As you can see in the old version the T-Bird is 66s faster than P4@1.4 and 39s faster than the P4@1.7 Huge win for the T-Bird
2. P3 optimized the P4 1.7 is 3s faster than the T-Bird.
This is with the P4 running at 500mhz faster! There is no score for the P4 1.4 (I would like to see it).
3. New P4 optimized. Only the P4 was run. The P4 1.4 gets 85s. That’s 1 second slower than the T-Bird at 1.2ghz. The 1.7ghz P4 gets 74s. 9s faster.
From the data it looks like the T-Bird crushed the P4. I mean [-peep-] look at the data. We have nothing at the same speed only the P4 200 and 500mhz faster than the T-Bird. Even with the P4 optimized code the P4 1.4 is slower than the non-optimized 1.2 T-Bird. This link is only showing that the T-Bird has lots more power than the "new" Pentium 4.
I can't wait to see what the scores look like once the code is optimized with 3dnow!
This is just what I got out of the article.
Soup.
AMD for Life!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by soup20000 on 02/14/01 03:36 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
First I will post the scores and then I will tare them apart. The benchmarks are in seconds so lower score is better.
The first column is the "old version" the second is "p3 optimized" and the third is "P4 optimized". I dropped the P3 and duron from the test because they never won. (Not the Duron 900 came in last on everything).
P4 1.7 Ghz |155 | 80 | 74 |
P4 1.4 Ghz |182 | n/a| 85 |
T-Bird 1.2 |116 | 83 | n/a|
1. As you can see in the old version the T-Bird is 66s faster than P4@1.4 and 39s faster than the P4@1.7 Huge win for the T-Bird
2. P3 optimized the P4 1.7 is 3s faster than the T-Bird.
This is with the P4 running at 500mhz faster! There is no score for the P4 1.4 (I would like to see it).
3. New P4 optimized. Only the P4 was run. The P4 1.4 gets 85s. That’s 1 second slower than the T-Bird at 1.2ghz. The 1.7ghz P4 gets 74s. 9s faster.
From the data it looks like the T-Bird crushed the P4. I mean [-peep-] look at the data. We have nothing at the same speed only the P4 200 and 500mhz faster than the T-Bird. Even with the P4 optimized code the P4 1.4 is slower than the non-optimized 1.2 T-Bird. This link is only showing that the T-Bird has lots more power than the "new" Pentium 4.
I can't wait to see what the scores look like once the code is optimized with 3dnow!
This is just what I got out of the article.
Soup.
AMD for Life!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by soup20000 on 02/14/01 03:36 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
amd will not be able to produce a compiler that will be near that effective in fact i doubt if they will get one that can enhance the performance even another 3-5% notice the p3 gains less performance than the athlon with p3 optimized code! but the p4 gains a huge amount. similiar to toms mpeg4 encoding article where he actually later states that even with athlon optimized code it can't beat the p4, the athlon doesn't have near as much to gain with optimized code as the p4.
earth to moron, are you there?
i think its generally been accepted that the p4 clock for clock is slow. thats why intel has a 300mhz lead on amd. intel knows that clock for clock p3/athlon spank a p4 but who cares what the clock speed is were talking fastest intel processor vs fastest amd processor. clockspeeds are meaningless.
i think its generally been accepted that the p4 clock for clock is slow. thats why intel has a 300mhz lead on amd. intel knows that clock for clock p3/athlon spank a p4 but who cares what the clock speed is were talking fastest intel processor vs fastest amd processor. clockspeeds are meaningless.
also take into account that this is a fpu benchmark which is the weakest benchmark the a p4 can run.
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And I would like to take five minutes out of my day to point out the fact that while the T-Bird may be faster than the P4 on a clock-for-clock basis, look how sad the T-Bird is for total clock speed. Does AMD even HAVE a chip that can beat the fastest P4 when they're both running optimized code? I don't see any...
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when the palomino is out then we can see how it does but if i understand correctly its just a faster athlon with sse2
"when the palomino is out then we can see how it does but if i understand correctly its just a faster athlon with sse2"
I cant get over this "just a faster athlon with sse2" damn. AMD wishes the palomino would have sse2 on it. Do you have any idea how much faster benchmarks/programs would run? The P4 would have no chance. It is just a lower voltage thunderbird. (Could be some other small differences but nothing huge like sse2). The first SSE2 AMD CPU will be the Sledgehammer (spring next year).
Above you ripped on me because I said it was not at the same clock speed. You are correct the P4 is out in a faster version because it needs to be to compare. But what the hell was the P4 1.3Ghz then? What is with the price of the P4? If you are bitching about "even clock speed is not fair" then I can bitch about "Price is not fair” Lets pick $180 to spend. Looks like (as of now off pricewatch) on the Intel side you will get a P3 850. Then on the AMD side for $180 you get a Thunderbird 1Ghz. Now I don't know about you but that does not seem fair.
soup.
AMD for Life!
I cant get over this "just a faster athlon with sse2" damn. AMD wishes the palomino would have sse2 on it. Do you have any idea how much faster benchmarks/programs would run? The P4 would have no chance. It is just a lower voltage thunderbird. (Could be some other small differences but nothing huge like sse2). The first SSE2 AMD CPU will be the Sledgehammer (spring next year).
Above you ripped on me because I said it was not at the same clock speed. You are correct the P4 is out in a faster version because it needs to be to compare. But what the hell was the P4 1.3Ghz then? What is with the price of the P4? If you are bitching about "even clock speed is not fair" then I can bitch about "Price is not fair” Lets pick $180 to spend. Looks like (as of now off pricewatch) on the Intel side you will get a P3 850. Then on the AMD side for $180 you get a Thunderbird 1Ghz. Now I don't know about you but that does not seem fair.
soup.
AMD for Life!
the athlon doesn't have as much to gain from the optomized code because they did't leave off components that wouldn't fit on the die like they did with the p4, likewise the p3 runss all apps pretty well and doesn't need specialized code to make up for that lack.
dhlucke
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A couple of interesting points
1)clock speed is not comparable for example if you take a mac and a pc. A lower mhz mac can outperform a higher megahertz pc. I don't know what a 1 ghz mac will do, but nonetheless.
2) We are now seeing the same thing in the PC world. It'll be subtle at first, but eventually we'll start seeing a 3ghz machine vs a 2.5ghz machine and they'll be comparable....imop it's inevitable
1)clock speed is not comparable for example if you take a mac and a pc. A lower mhz mac can outperform a higher megahertz pc. I don't know what a 1 ghz mac will do, but nonetheless.
2) We are now seeing the same thing in the PC world. It'll be subtle at first, but eventually we'll start seeing a 3ghz machine vs a 2.5ghz machine and they'll be comparable....imop it's inevitable
A p4 1.5ghz will usually run just as fast as a PIII 1GHZ or and AMD 1GHZ. So MHZ means nothing, it hows well the cpu is designed and how many calculations it does clock for clock.
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but oh crap he's got a gun"
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but oh crap he's got a gun"
Anyways why buy a p4 now when in six months it won't be upgradable, when intel switches over to .13 micron. It's more of marketing hype. Where major companies just wanna sell a piece of s*** to the dumb consumer, for the most they can get out of them. Example: Dell, Gateway, Compaq? There p4 systems cost from $1500-$3000. They ship them with pc-600, when everyone knows that for p4 to even be any real competition for AMD they have to ship it with pc-800. They even say that the p4 is more of a gaming machine. Well the only game that will get better results than an AMD is Quake III. Dell, Gateway and other oems send out their p4 systems with shitty ass video cards and say its a gaming machine? How do they get away with this you ask? Simple, most consumers are stupid.. Education pays...
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but oh crap he's got a gun"
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but oh crap he's got a gun"
AMDSUXCOCK, you moron, performance is calculated by multiplying IPC (Instructions Per Clock) by clock speed. They both play an important role. According to you, clock speeds are meaningless, right? Yet the P4 was designed first and foremost for clock speeds, hugely sacrificing IPC to achieve raw MHz. The Athlon is a well balanced processor, capable of hitting "AT LEAST" 1.7GHz on it's current process. Intel would have done very well for itself, and you would have creamed all over yourself, if Intel had designed a processor as scaleable and powerful as the Athlon with only half the pipelines of the P4.
BTW, at the launch of Clawhammer, the desktop 64-bit AMD processor coming early next year, it will be capable of 3x greater performance than a 1GHz Athlon. Even if the P4 is at 2.5Ghz it still won't be capable of even 2x greater performance than a 1Ghz Athlon.
Hmmmm.....I think INTELSUXCOCKS is more appropriate.
BTW, at the launch of Clawhammer, the desktop 64-bit AMD processor coming early next year, it will be capable of 3x greater performance than a 1GHz Athlon. Even if the P4 is at 2.5Ghz it still won't be capable of even 2x greater performance than a 1Ghz Athlon.
Hmmmm.....I think INTELSUXCOCKS is more appropriate.
You got to be kidden me? You come over here with that stupid name? Lol I hope they boot you DUMMY!!!
BatMan
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"Are you talking about 'BiteMeOff' or BMO? He now has a Thunderbird 1000 on KT7 (or RAID?) mobo."
BMO and BiteMeOff are one in the same.
No way! he was hard core Intel. Intel this Intel that. AMD sucks Intel is the best. blah blah. He was so funny.
soup
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BMO and BiteMeOff are one in the same.
No way! he was hard core Intel. Intel this Intel that. AMD sucks Intel is the best. blah blah. He was so funny.
soup
AMD for Life!
I just saw a sneek pic of and stock AMD 1300MHZ athlon at www.hardocp.com. Anyways i think Intel is going through the crapper, they haven't invented anything that actually performs well for a while. Even their PIII was just overclocked from 700MHZ up. They overclocked them and then said it was a new processor. The P4 is just a marketing hype. Its performance sucks. Most consumers are stupid, so when they see a high clock speed the think its the fastest out. But as I said before MHZ means nothing. Its how well the CPU is designed and how many calculations is does clock for clock.
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