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Why do tech websites of all places still say PC when referring to a computer running a Windows Operating System? A PC is a personal computer, any personal computer. A PC does not require any specific operating system.
 
As a user of both Apple computers and PC computers, i have to say PC's and Windows 7 is FAR easier to use then MAC. I tried to install a cannon printer on a MAC the other day, and it just didn't work. The error code i got was "Error code 4". That's it. I looked up "Error code 4" on the internet and google pretty much laughed at me. Needless to say, even though cannon had MAC drivers, it didn't work. I had to buy a different printer.

And gaming... someone said that Windows crashes too much during gaming. Lies. I own 20ish games for Windows and never had a problem with any of them. well, that's lies too. GTA4 didn't work when i installed IE9 Beta. But there was a wealth of information on the net to help me fix the problem.

MAC's are fine for checking email and surfing the web. but anything beyond that, i'll stick with PC.

iPad is awesome though. I can't wait to try out a Windows 7 tablet.
 
[citation][nom]osxsier[/nom]I build my own PC's, yet I like Macs. Its the design, not really the hardware your buying. Its the experience.

So to make blanket statements such as "idiots buy Macs" shows your ignorance. [/citation]

I think you just made my point for me 😱
 
I use a Mac as my primary home machine. I don't think I'm an idiot. I have a B.S. in both computer engineer and electronic engineering. I work in the IT field for a living and use multiple operating systems everyday. I think I have a pretty good grasp of computers.

The Tom's crowd is mainly geared towards building gaming PCs so it's understandable that they view the Mac is not the best choice for them. Most of the articles are about maximizing PC performance and minimizing cost. It's part of why I come to this website.

iMacs are limiting their video cards offerings. But I doubt you'll find an all-in-one computer with true hardware parity for significantly cheaper. (Please prove me wrong) The big problem for these folks is there are no desktop class Macs that are expandable. Apple has lots of holes in their product lineup. (Yes, the Mac Pro is a reasonably priced workstation class system, seriously go ahead and try pricing it against a Dell Dimension) Apple offers no lowered priced headless desktop class computer (non Xeon, non ECC memory) which I personally think sucks. That's why I've custom built my gaming PC.

I always wonder why there is so much hate for Apple. What did Apple do to ruin your PC experience? Did Apple force you to buy any of its products? Apple, if nothing else, forces the rest of the industry to innovate. Like every company, they do some things well and other things not so well. Even if you never buy one of Apple's products I can only see this as a positive thing.

Take a look at tablet PCs. Why did HP kill it's slate and MS kill Courier? PCs manufacturers are realizing (at least in the consumer market) that slapping full Windows 7 onto a tablet PC is wrong approach. Apple had it right in designing iOS from the ground up to suit the iPad and not the other way around. Is it perfect? No, but it's one of the best tablet experiences out there.

I feel like people who bash Apple simply don't really have a deep knowledge of Apple products. Simply being around other people on this site that regurgitate the old "Apple Sucks" mantra aren't keeping an open mind about technology. How many people here can honestly say are proficient with OS X? Making generalizations and using anecdotal evidence isn't a convincing argument. Other that gaming or price, what are people's issues with OS X or Apple in general? I'm serious, I'd like to know.
 
[citation][nom]Maxor127[/nom]I'm especially sick of the myth that Macs are overpriced. Compared to what? Building an OEM PC yourself? Yeah, no ****. But compared to the major PC companies, they're on the same level when you compare both hardware and software.[/citation]
compared to what? alienware?
every other computer company on the planet sells cheaper computers than apple. lets start with your typical macbook pro
http://www.apple.com/mac/whichmacbook/compare.html
2.53GHz Intel Core i5 processor
500GB 5400-rpm hard drive
Intel HD Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 512MB GDDR3 memory
$2299
now here are some laptops on newegg with about the same specs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152200
$799
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114925
$999
now lets move onto the iMac
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/imac?aid=AIC-WWW-NAUS-K2-STARTING-IMAC
27-inch: 2.8GHz
2.8GHz Intel Core i5
2560-by-1440 resolution
4GB (two 2GB) memory
1TB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
ATI Radeon HD 5750 with 1GB
$1,999.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229199
$899
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883103265
$679
it was hard to even find specs that low. these are actually overpriced in comparison.
And finally the Mac Pro
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro?mco=MTM3NDc2NTk
12-Core
Two 2.66GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon “Westmere” processors
6GB (six 1GB) memory
1TB hard drive
18x double-layer SuperDrive
ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5
$4,999.00
sadly since no one is stupid enough to buy a prebuilt with a xeon I cannot give you an example however I have created the equivalent by hand including prices
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6272021&CatId=5962
$1,299.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231225
$129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
$87.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106346
$139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188067
$599.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
$54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835203002
$60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
$109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161301
$399.99
=$2875

you are paying THOUSANDS of dollars more for a mac compared to a prebuilt.
you are a fool if you honestly believe macs are reasonably priced. you are paying for a case.
 
iPeople are stupid and over pay because they want to think they're better than others because they have "teh expensive" stuffs
 
My God, the mac bashing has gotten so bad the posts are worse than the apple fans. Two pages of bashing and cannot even be bothered to wade through to relevant comments. Some of the mac bashes are a page long!.
 
[citation][nom]Maxor127[/nom]But compared to the major PC companies, they're on the same level when you compare both hardware and software.[/citation]In terms of hardware they aren't. You're telling me that the difference is because of the software?
 
[citation][nom]cadder[/nom]Why would you think they are overpriced? My Mac and my PC cost almost the exact same amount. (My PC has a quad core processor at 3.4GHz, 4GB of ram, 750GB hard drive. My mac has a dual core processor at 2GHz and 2GB of ram.)[/citation]
Their not overpriced, but they have done about the same things as other companies sell their prebuilts at.
The problem is, companies have upped their price by selling cheaper/worse hardware, like the Nvidia 300 series that you find in many laptops and a few cheaper computers.
 
[citation][nom]fellskrazykayaker[/nom]I use a Mac as my primary home machine. I don't think I'm an idiot. I have a B.S. in both computer engineer and electronic engineering. I work in the IT field for a living and use multiple operating systems everyday. I think I have a pretty good grasp of computers.The Tom's crowd is mainly geared towards building gaming PCs so it's understandable that they view the Mac is not the best choice for them. Most of the articles are about maximizing PC performance and minimizing cost. It's part of why I come to this website.iMacs are limiting their video cards offerings. But I doubt you'll find an all-in-one computer with true hardware parity for significantly cheaper. (Please prove me wrong) The big problem for these folks is there are no desktop class Macs that are expandable. Apple has lots of holes in their product lineup. (Yes, the Mac Pro is a reasonably priced workstation class system, seriously go ahead and try pricing it against a Dell Dimension) Apple offers no lowered priced headless desktop class computer (non Xeon, non ECC memory) which I personally think sucks. That's why I've custom built my gaming PC. I always wonder why there is so much hate for Apple. What did Apple do to ruin your PC experience? Did Apple force you to buy any of its products? Apple, if nothing else, forces the rest of the industry to innovate. Like every company, they do some things well and other things not so well. Even if you never buy one of Apple's products I can only see this as a positive thing.Take a look at tablet PCs. Why did HP kill it's slate and MS kill Courier? PCs manufacturers are realizing (at least in the consumer market) that slapping full Windows 7 onto a tablet PC is wrong approach. Apple had it right in designing iOS from the ground up to suit the iPad and not the other way around. Is it perfect? No, but it's one of the best tablet experiences out there.I feel like people who bash Apple simply don't really have a deep knowledge of Apple products. Simply being around other people on this site that regurgitate the old "Apple Sucks" mantra aren't keeping an open mind about technology. How many people here can honestly say are proficient with OS X? Making generalizations and using anecdotal evidence isn't a convincing argument. Other that gaming or price, what are people's issues with OS X or Apple in general? I'm serious, I'd like to know.[/citation]

Quick time, iTunes. Do you need more?
 
[citation][nom]tidex[/nom]compared to what? alienware?every other computer company on the planet sells cheaper computers than apple. lets start with your typical macbook prohttp://www.apple.com/mac/whichmacbook/compare.html2.53GHz Intel Core i5 processor500GB 5400-rpm hard driveIntel HD GraphicsNVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 512MB GDDR3 memory$2299now here are some laptops on newegg with about the same specshttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6834152200$799http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6834114925$999now lets move onto the iMachttp://store.apple.com/us/browse/h [...] RTING-IMAC27-inch: 2.8GHz2.8GHz Intel Core i52560-by-1440 resolution4GB (two 2GB) memory1TB hard drive18x double-layer SuperDriveATI Radeon HD 5750 with 1GB$1,999.00http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6883229199$899http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6883103265$679it was hard to even find specs that low. these are actually overpriced in comparison.And finally the Mac Prohttp://store.apple.com/us/browse/h [...] TM3NDc2NTk12-CoreTwo 2.66GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon “Westmere” processors6GB (six 1GB) memory1TB hard drive18x double-layer SuperDriveATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5$4,999.00sadly since no one is stupid enough to buy a prebuilt with a xeon I cannot give you an example however I have created the equivalent by hand including priceshttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=5962$1,299.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231225$129.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136284$87.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827106346$139.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813188067$599.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811129042$54.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835203002$60http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139006$109.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814161301$399.99=$2875you are paying THOUSANDS of dollars more for a mac compared to a prebuilt.you are a fool if you honestly believe macs are reasonably priced. you are paying for a case.[/citation]

I think you're missing a 27" IPS LCD display with your iMac comparison.

With your Mac Pro comparison you're missing a whole CPU but the Mac Pro only has 2.66Ghz Westmere so really (2x $1025), $30 for another heatsink, you're missing an OS ($180 for Win 7 Ult 64-bit), add $35 for ECC memory (these are Xeons, remember?), let's say $250 for a quality 1200W PSU, subtract $110 for optical drive (Mac Pro only has DVD-/+RW not BluRay), subtract $250 for video card (Mac Pro only has 5770, not 5870), and we'll say $100 for a multi-touch mouse and regular keyboard. Add $20 for WiFi and $20 for Bluetooth. Another $40 for FireWire 800. So now it's more like $3783.

So, the Mac is still more expensive. But you also get a full year warranty on the whole system and tech support. There is a retail store you can bring it into for help. It's all built for you, which I guess doesn't matter if your time is not worth anything. You're not gonna find many pre-builts cheaper than your custom built.
 
As much as i dislike apples desktops that cannot be upgraded in anyway the macbook i have works fine for what i do i still use my windows 7 pc that i built myself more but for my laptop i wanted something with good customer support if you can tell me any other companies that build pc's that i can just go into with any problem on my laptop and get it replaced then id love to know
 
[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]Quick time, iTunes. Do you need more?[/citation]

Those are my 2 biggest reasons for hating Apple. Both Quicktime and iTunes are total crapware. they take over even when I tell them not to. Quicktime wants to take over playing movies in my web browser, and I can't even find the stupid addon to remove it.

I don't mind their computers too much, but they are overpriced and too closed up. They're overpriced because they preinstall so much extra software I would never need. Plus, they are such a pain to work on because so much of the inner workings are closed off from user access. I can't troubleshoot them because I can't make adjustments to the file system, heck, I can't even figure out how to run a check on the file system on those things. None of the design decisions make sense to me. It is not laid out in any logical manner.

Then again, in all this, I haven't hardly worked on macs at all. The three times I've tried to troubleshoot anything I sat down, searched for various things, didn't find them, then after half an hour called the mac expert over to take care of the problem. So, I've had maybe a total of 2 hours on them trying to figure out anything. Maybe with more time I'd be able to understand them better, but with their pricing, I'll never be able to afford one.
 
[citation][nom]fellskrazykayaker[/nom]I think you're missing a 27" IPS LCD display with your iMac comparison. With your Mac Pro comparison you're missing a whole CPU but the Mac Pro only has 2.66Ghz Westmere so really (2x $1025), $30 for another heatsink, you're missing an OS ($180 for Win 7 Ult 64-bit), add $35 for ECC memory (these are Xeons, remember?), let's say $250 for a quality 1200W PSU, subtract $110 for optical drive (Mac Pro only has DVD-/+RW not BluRay), subtract $250 for video card (Mac Pro only has 5770, not 5870), and ww'll say $100 for a multi-touch mouse and regular keyboard. Add $20 for WiFi and $20 for Bluetooth. Another $40 for FireWire 800. So now it's more like $3783.So, the Mac is still more expensive. But you're not gonna find many pre-builts cheaper than your custom built.[/citation]

A custom HP Z800 workstation with stats to match the Mac Pro run $6533. So, mac wins on this one.

however, they'd never release a machine that would match my custom build. None of their machines match my needs. They're either too low end and fully integrated or too high end with workstation level hardware. I need neither. They lose there.
 
In my office we have 3 macs, with complete mac os removed; we only use Ubuntu for some mathematical calculations and windows 7 for programing microcontrollers.
The hardware of macs are nice, the software useless
 
This is one of those things that makes it a bit embarrassing to live in America when you read it.

Change the article subtitle to:Americans are more gullible than ever, but the rest of the world is still sticking to the PC.
 
[citation][nom]kelemvor4[/nom]This is one of those things that makes it a bit embarrassing to live in America when you read it.Change the article subtitle to:Americans are more gullible than ever, but the rest of the world is still sticking to the PC.[/citation]

Great job on the trolling! Quite insightful, my view on the US has been changed after reading your troll-post
 
All you people that hate macs are idiots. They are not more expensive. If you build a dell, or hp, whatever with a 500GB HDD, 4GB of RAM 15inch backlit LED display, the total computer being ONLY 0.95 inches, webcam, backlit keyboard, iWork that does everything Microsoft office does but in only 3 programs costs $49, not $499 for the full version of office, you don't need a security system, so minus about $150 for a good security system. You add all this up and it's MORE expensive then the others. This computer is the high end 15Inch with STANDARD features. IF you really wanted to you can put windows, linux, solaris etc. with parrelles or boot camp. not to mention the whole design of the computer and the OS is much better then windows machines.
 
thew problem is that macs are only made by apple while PC's are made by lots of COMPETING companies.

there is no competition in macs.. thats why you pay 1000 dollars for a 3 year old core 2 duo macbook when you could get an i7 in a 1000 dollar PC laptop
 
[citation][nom]dgingeri[/nom]I've had maybe a total of 2 hours on them trying to figure out anything. Maybe with more time I'd be able to understand them better, but with their pricing, I'll never be able to afford one.[/citation]

So is not really iTunes and Quicktime but rather your lack of experience and funding that makes you hate Apple... Interesting
 
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