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[citation][nom]shoota[/nom]why do i waste my time reading this fanboy garbage? i hate myself..[/citation]Right there with ya pal. If anyone is "blind" it's people who make biased opinions about others without even knowing them, like 3/4 of the people who post on these mac news topics. So ridiculous. Always gotta be the biggest "flamer". So lame it's sickening.
 
Another story to hype Apple within a bias data graph, SORRY iPhone/iTouch/iPad are NOT Computers. The data is inaccurate. The Apple Mac, and Macbook only make up 11-12%

And since when is Apple anything more than a overpriced, glorified PC with a Linux based operating system? If you base sales of computers on operating systems, then it would be windows %90 / Mac 5% / Linux 5% with a 5 point +/- error rating.

Apple is a marketing business, that's it. All their devices are Foxconn products. They lie, people buy, and Steve Jobs sits back and builds himself another house / buys a new liver.
 
[citation][nom]User69[/nom]They lie, people buy, and Steve Jobs sits back and builds himself another house / buys a new liver.[/citation]

Yes and the other corporations are as truthful as Jesus, and they dont lie, they cure cancer and their CEOs live in old shacks and they spend most of their time in homeless centers volunteering.

Wake up numbnut! Businesses are there to make money for their employees and the rest of the stakeholders/owners of shares.

Apple is a public company and not Steve Job's company. He was fired and then brought back as CEO.

Bill Gates among many other people own Apple shares, so he makes money when Apple increases its earnings.

Go and hide in your hippie hole!
 
[citation][nom]smeker[/nom]Yes and the other corporations are as truthful as Jesus, and they dont lie, they cure cancer and their CEOs live in old shacks and they spend most of their time in homeless centers volunteering.Wake up numbnut! Businesses are there to make money for their employees and the rest of the stakeholders/owners of shares.Apple is a public company and not Steve Job's company. He was fired and then brought back as CEO. Bill Gates among many other people own Apple shares, so he makes money when Apple increases its earnings.Go and hide in your hippie hole![/citation]

Actually, Ya Bill Gates has donated most of his money to help the poor, and got 9 other billionaires to donate 90% of their money to charity when they die. Steve Jobs is an Ass-hole and can give a Sh-it if people commit suicide at his slave labor camps. But thats not the point anyways.........
 
[citation][nom]User69[/nom]Actually, Ya Bill Gates has donated most of his money to help the poor, and got 9 other billionaires to donate 90% of their money to charity when they die. Steve Jobs is an Ass-hole and can give a Sh-it if people commit suicide at his slave labor camps. But thats not the point anyways.........[/citation]

Right, and do you know where that keyboard you are typing on is made, and those shoes you wear are produced?

What a hypocrite....
 
[citation][nom]macintosh97[/nom]you don't need a security system, [/citation]

Heh. OSX is like tissue paper when someone cares to give it any attention. But if the market segment keeps growing, Apple is going to have to finally fix their OSX's security flaws.
 
[citation][nom]rocky1234[/nom]Mac's are getting a increase because Apple has bootcamp that lets its users install Windows on them & since Windows runs 90% of the software & games out there a lot of people are less afraid to make the switch knowing they can just slip a copy of Windows on their shiny over priced MAC.Which brings up a couple of questions if MAC's & the MAC OS are so good why do people install Windows on them the first chance they get I mean come on if OSX is so much better than Windows according to Mr Jobs then there should be no need for Windows to be installed on a MAC. I mean we know why Mr Jobs & company are allowing it to be done is because it is selling their hardware so in a sense maybe Mr Jobs should be either thanking Microsoft for helping sell their over price hardware or cutting them a big cheque each month for commission cheques. Lets face it if Bootcamp was not their & it was not so easy to install a competitors product on the Mac's they would not be making any head way in the PC market.This is just my view but I think Microsoft should change their Eula like Apple does to say something like only Windows Certified Computers can have a installed version of Windows installed. I mean Apple gets away with it why can't Microsoft. Sure it would make it a bit harder for the small shops but they would manage fine. This is something MS will have to do if they want to hold on to their OS market share. Oh wait I guess they are because for every MAC sold they have a chance of that user installing a copy of Windows on it so I guess MS is not losing anything they still make the Windows sale but in the process the PC market share takes a little hit each year. I guess it is up to the User if they want to pay a heavy Apple tax or not but for the love of god use the OS that came with it after all according to Mr jobs it is the best OS ever made & is magical so use it already there should be no need to install a second rate OS if you got such a wonderful OS in OSX.Sorry for the rant just a die hard PC user & happen to like Windows & Linux. I really have no use for toy OS's like OSX that is based off of tech from the late 90's with a shiny GUI. Yes I have used OSX I see both PC's & MAC's in our shop for repair & yes MAC hardware fails to never let Mr Jobs BS you that they never fail or the OS never crashes the Apple hardware & OS crash or fail just as much as a PC. But most never see the Apple side of hardware failures because most repairs are done by Apple shops themselves it is harder to find a fully Apple certified shop now days like our shop is. I had to learn the Apple OS from the bottom up as well as the hardware & trust me there is nothing special going on there under the Apple logo same crap as a PC just a more uniform hardware platform since Apple controls the process from start to finish.I'm sure I will be down rated & called a PC fanatic or worse but oh well just had to vent on the subject.[/citation]
Putting that clause in the EULA would just decrease revenue. MS doesn't make money off of OEM machines, they make money off the software. If Apple users are buying Windows, MS gets paid just as much as they would if those users were on "windows PCs." They probably get more, in fact, because they're getting paid for a full-price retail copy rather than the OEM price.
 
[citation][nom]User69[/nom]Another story to hype Apple within a bias data graph, SORRY iPhone/iTouch/iPad are NOT Computers. The data is inaccurate. The Apple Mac, and Macbook only make up 11-12% And since when is Apple anything more than a overpriced, glorified PC with a Linux based operating system? If you base sales of computers on operating systems, then it would be windows %90 / Mac 5% / Linux 5% with a 5 point +/- error rating. Apple is a marketing business, that's it. All their devices are Foxconn products. They lie, people buy, and Steve Jobs sits back and builds himself another house / buys a new liver.[/citation]

Okay not an Apple fan.
but!
OSX !=linux
OSX= free BSD 4.3+ Mach Kernel+ Darwin
OSX != UNIX (just because you pay money for someone to say you are unix compliant)
OSX= outdated posix.

I respect anyone`s opinion to own or use whatever computer they want. But before you say bad things about the OS, make sure you know what it is you refer to. Using Mach kernel? Bad idea. Free BSD? not as secure as NETBSD. SUUG=assholes out for cash for a standard that is worthless except as a marketing tool.
 
[citation][nom]fellskrazykayaker[/nom]I think you're missing a 27" IPS LCD display with your iMac comparison. With your Mac Pro comparison you're missing a whole CPU but the Mac Pro only has 2.66Ghz Westmere so really (2x $1025), $30 for another heatsink, you're missing an OS ($180 for Win 7 Ult 64-bit), add $35 for ECC memory (these are Xeons, remember?), let's say $250 for a quality 1200W PSU, subtract $110 for optical drive (Mac Pro only has DVD-/+RW not BluRay), subtract $250 for video card (Mac Pro only has 5770, not 5870), and we'll say $100 for a multi-touch mouse and regular keyboard. Add $20 for WiFi and $20 for Bluetooth. Another $40 for FireWire 800. So now it's more like $3783.So, the Mac is still more expensive. But you also get a full year warranty on the whole system and tech support. There is a retail store you can bring it into for help. It's all built for you, which I guess doesn't matter if your time is not worth anything. You're not gonna find many pre-builts cheaper than your custom built.[/citation]

Screens are not worth buying a mac.
Don't need 1200w psu, not even for a server.
plus you have to add in that not every single piece of hardware is available online due to shortages/out of stock etc
Xeon I forgot simply because I've never bought one so I wasn't sure how it worked
also many of the other features you described are either pointless or worth next to nothing.
for example using wireless with a workstation is pretty stupid.
as for warranty and tech support, most parts do offer a warranty of some kind and there are free methods of tech support other than some apple "genius" reseating the ram. tech support should never be included with prices because the need for it depends on the user's skill level.

either way its still far overpriced compared to both prebuilt and hand built.
 
[citation][nom]smeker[/nom]Yes I own a mac-book and I can say with 100% confidence that I know a lot more about computers than you'll ever be able to fit in your little fragile brain.Trolling on Apple news posts, must get your little dick hard.Well if that's what does it for you than keep up with it... after all is cheaper than Viagra.[/citation]
Sure, I've built my pc, I dual boot win7 and linux, I'm experienced in java and c++ programming, a bit of modelling with 3ds max and blender, oh yes and some hacking.

Don't worry I'm sure you know even more than Steve jobs himself 😛
 
My desktop is a PC I built myself. My laptop is a Mac.

Show me a laptop PC that has great battery life, doesn't weight a ton, can wake up promptly and properly after the lid has been opened, doesn't have a million freaking lights on it and doesn't have an abysmal trackpad.

Oh yeah, and I almost forgot, the mag-safe adapter. I'll take Apple's attention to detail over an Asus that makes a goddamn Ferrari sound any day.
 
[citation][nom]smeker[/nom]So is not really iTunes and Quicktime but rather your lack of experience and funding that makes you hate Apple... Interesting[/citation]

no, iTunes and Quicktime, which I've had to deal with on countless corporate machines at my job, have driven me mad at times. I hate them both. I flat out refuse to install either on my personal machines no matter what. Those just happen to be my top two biggest reasons I hate Apple. They are the worst programs OF ALL TIME!

My experiences with Mac computers, on the other hand, have been bad, but limited. I pretty much don't like working on them just because I couldn't figure anything out on them. I was able to figure out Windows 3.1 within a few minutes when I first got that. That wasn't such a big deal. OSX just doesn't make any logical sense. On top of that, I can't increase my experiences with them because I can't afford even the cheapest useful one. (the Mini doesn't count. it's too low end to actually be of any use, so even buying one of those wouldn't do me any good.)
 
The Apple haters are out in force today, woohoo, in need of some Hit counts their Tom's?

I don't get the brand loyalty that so many of you dolts are so hung up on. The really funny part is that all Mac Internals are the same freakin' internals you buy thru NewEgg, even the motherboard -- yes Intel, Intel, Intel. The ONLY difference is that Apple uses a propriatary EFI64 rather than a propriatary BIOS (dated back to the late 70's) that most motherboard vendors use.

It's the same old clueless Apple bashers making the same old clueless comments about Mac computers ... computers they admit they've never owned ... so why would anyone with any logic or sense listen to Apple haters who rant about something they've never owned?

OMG, did someone just mention Windows 3.1 ... Elvis has left the building.

Look Apple passed up Microsoft financially ... fact not fiction. Apple's computers are retained and useful on average of 5 years, that's 2 years longer than Windows PC users.

Times change, Intel based Macs have changed (the numbers are obvious), just maybe open your closed PC only mind for 1 second and go buy one and see. I can't believe everyone at Tom's is cheap/poor and stupid -- drop the $600 on a Mac Mini and see if you like it. Competition is good, choice is good, can't decide get them all, I did.
 
[citation][nom]Reaper2794[/nom]Macs look nice, that's no doubt. But I absolutely HATE the OS. I don't care if it's safer, I really don't give a rat's ass about it. If you want something sleek like a Mac that runs Windows, how about a SONY VAIO?[/citation]Why do you 'HATE' Mac OS? What is so wrong with it within itself that inspires hatred?
I use Mac OS and Windows XP > Vista Ulti. > 7 Ulti > I thought XP was flakey, Vista a disaster and 7 a decent cover-up of Vista's failings, but at no time did I hate any of them. I think the System Registry is an appalling bit of engineering which insidiously robs Windows of its vitality and that the MS monoculture has lent itself (and customers) to serious security issues but I still don't 'HATE' it.
I'd really like to know what there is to 'HATE'.
 
Wow. Mac bashing comments - Macs are way overpriced. Really? Is there anyone here remotely familiar with Economics? Repeat after me: "The market determines the price."

With all due respect to the commentators here, if Dell or HP could charge high prices for their products, they would do it. Prices are largely determined by what people are willing to pay.

And remember, higher prices are do not necessarily mean higher quality. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes a fine product, but so do some of the other manufacturers.

Don't flame me. It's all good. I actively use PCs and Macs and Linux boxes. They all have their advantages and disadvantages.
 
[citation][nom]cadder[/nom]Why would you think they are overpriced? My Mac and my PC cost almost the exact same amount. (My PC has a quad core processor at 3.4GHz, 4GB of ram, 750GB hard drive. My mac has a dual core processor at 2GHz and 2GB of ram.)[/citation]

Did you even bother thinking about what you just wrote?

PC has a quad core processor at 3.4GHz, 4GB of ram
Mac has a dual core processor at 2GHz and 2GB of ram

Hmm... I don't know about you, but I'd rather take the one that has twice the number of cores, twice the RAM and almost twice the processing speed.

Try specing a MAC with the same hardware specs as that PC, and it'll cost you twice as much to be the same.
 
yea, my experiences are just about the same as that chart. lots of HP, dell and apple. i got an HP, but as soon as i can build my own laptop like a desktop, my laptop will say "cooler master" (this is assuming they get into making laptop cases).
 
[citation][nom]Maxor127[/nom]It amuses me how threatened you guys are by Apple that you have to bash every product and call the people that use them idiots, as if smart people buy HP or Dell or whatever your rationale is. In my unbiased experience, most of my tech savvy friends buy Macs. The rest probably couldn't even tell me what version of Windows they were running, let alone what Windows is, or even what brand computer they have.I'm especially sick of the myth that Macs are overpriced. Compared to what? Building an OEM PC yourself? Yeah, no ****. But compared to the major PC companies, they're on the same level when you compare both hardware and software.You may now proceed to cry more about 10% market share. Oh no, a company is successful! It has no effect on you. There are dozens of PC options to choose from and hundreds of phone and mp3 player options. But since you don't feel your choice of technology is being validated, you have to bash the competition. I have no tolerance for ill-informed, biased, ignorant fanboys.The only valid negative complaint compared to other companies is games. If you're a serious gamer, and want to play the latest games, then Macs aren't for you. It often takes a year or two for a port, and usually a game won't get ported at all.[/citation]

Lol...compare the starting price of a 17 inch mac book pro and a standard gaming laptop from asus and see what you get for your money on a mac...yeah it's not a myth dude.
 
[citation][nom]dgingeri[/nom]A custom HP Z800 workstation with stats to match the Mac Pro run $6533. So, mac wins on this one.however, they'd never release a machine that would match my custom build. None of their machines match my needs. They're either too low end and fully integrated or too high end with workstation level hardware. I need neither. They lose there.[/citation]

a 2.6-2.8 nehalem processor and a 5770 with 3 gigs of ram for over 6000 dollars? and the only manufacturer u could think of is HP? LOL
 

I like how your comment was full of facts and truth, until you went to bashing users who buy a pc because it actually ends up cheaper, and so that must obviously make pc users poor ass people? Of course a desktop is cheaper, and of course building your own computer is cheaper then any prebuilt. Apple is just like any other company selling computers/laptops, but the problem is that every company has come to overpricing their machines by selling cheaper/poor performing hardware for more money.

Opinion on Prebuilts/Laptops in general:
No, I don't want 'free' overclocked ram, I'd rather take ddr3, 1600MHz ram without it being an extra cost effort.
No, I don't want an Nvidia 330; I would rather take a 260 or 4870 that you originally had for the same amount of money.
No, I don't want extra features and hardware that ends up being too much for the power supply/battery.

Also, where did you come up with the, "Pc lasts 3 years, Mac lasts 5 years?"
Once you went and started talking about how people should spend their money because 'you can afford it,' you stated one of the biggest things pc users bash at, Apple fanboys who think their the best because they waste their money on tech.
 
The only thing I like about Mac is the multi-touch on a Macbook. You can scroll in any direction by moving 2 fingers on the touchpad. We need to have that on PC laptops.
 
[citation][nom]User69[/nom]Another story to hype Apple within a bias data graph, SORRY iPhone/iTouch/iPad are NOT Computers. The data is inaccurate. [/citation]

No where does the data indicate that these numbers include iPhone/iTouch/iPad. iPhone sales alone are generally 7-8 million a quarter, so clearly those numbers are not being counted as computer shipments.
 
[citation][nom]brother shrike[/nom]Putting that clause in the EULA would just decrease revenue. MS doesn't make money off of OEM machines, they make money off the software. If Apple users are buying Windows, MS gets paid just as much as they would if those users were on "windows PCs." They probably get more, in fact, because they're getting paid for a full-price retail copy rather than the OEM price.[/citation]


Actually in my post I stated that exact point well ok something close to it. I stated that MS most likely will get a windows sale from almost all MAC sales anyway so why would MS care if Steve lets his fan base install Windows or not he gets paid either way & so does MS Actually they both make more money. The thing that bothers me is to see a MAC user go & state how Windows sucks then a day or 2 later goes & installs Windows on his Apple product. I have nothing against Apple hardware it actually is built well. The problem I have is the software itself & the Fanatical fan base of users Apple has it is like they totally get brain washed into Apples way of thinking. I am not saying every Apple user is like I know a lot that are really nice people & are very smart but it seems that the bad apples always stick out I guess. Oh & yes most likely most installs on a MAC that have Windows is a OEM copy since you can get those pretty much any where these days all you have to do is go in & buy a mouse pad & they will sell you a OEM Windows. lol
 
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