PC Vendors Cautious About High Cost of Windows 8 PCs

[waethorn]

Hmm....lifting your arm to a touchscreen vs. lifting your arm to a touchscreen and holding a 2Lb iPad with the other, weaker one....

 

[mortsmi7]

Not digging the fingerprints on the monitor idea.

 

[Guest]

Calling AMD you should really be talking to these vendors about how your CPU's and APU's can give users just as good of a windows 8 experience as Intel's CPU's can.

 

[dalauder]

[citation][nom]Anonymous[/nom]Calling AMD you should really be talking to these vendors about how your CPU's and APU's can give users just as good of a windows 8 experience as Intel's CPU's can.[/citation]AMD did call attention to the fact that Bulldozer performs better in Windows 8 than Windows 7 because it's programmed to handle more threads and power states better. I can't say AMD is ever limiting a Windows experience. It's much more likely to be the graphics or hard drive.

 

[kronos_cornelius]

Everybody knows to avoid the odd Windows release. Windows Millenium (don't buy) Windows XP (buy) Windows Vista (Don't buy) Win 7 (buy) and guess what this is the odd Windows.

 

[sureshothunk]

Simple mind great ideas.. To be successful, Microsoft can follow their own practice.
Biggest idea I can provide to Microsoft is.. Enable touchscreen detection..
If touchscreen found - enable metro interface and primary
if not enable the desktop with start-menu//

What say people?

 

[TheKurrgan]

Frankly I think Windows 8 is going to end Microsoft's Dominance in the software market. ESPECIALLY if it drives the prices of windows pc's up in to Mac territory, I'd much rather just get a Mac since I can actually use it with out a junk interface. (Or build a decent PC and run a linux distro for 1/8 the cost)
Metro is a nice concept for tablets.. but thats it. On a regular PC its infuriating.
MS just screwed the proverbial pooch in my opinion.
Not to mention they still havent done away with the that miserab known as the registry, and ReFS is just an enhancement to NTFS (albeit a good one)

And how the fruit are they going to use that fruiting pile of fecal matter on a server machine? Seriously? gotta be kidding me... They've lost their fruiting minds.
And a word to the Secure boot concept: F&CK YOU.

 

[sureshothunk]

And there is a good market for after-sales touchscreens.. provided Microsoft is willing to take a jump.. and called in Mi-Touch or Magic-Touch.. and patent these 2 words...

 

[bigdog44]

Some people are so bitter in their posts. If you think your way is the best way, then go get an edjamacation and a good job and make it happen. Otherwise you sound like you've just discovered your peepee but alas your hand has fallen asleep.

 

[SocketA]

The sources pointed out that Intel is not willing to sacrifice its profits to reduce CPU prices,

AMD anyone? IO mean even if their processors aren't as good as Intel's, can't they drive Windows 8?

The big problem is that the majority of PC makers have signed deals with Intel. While these deals do not prevent them form using AMD products (that would be highly illegal) they do "reward" them for picking an i7 over Bulldozer or one of the A series APU's. Though with all this hoopla over how expensive it's going to be to make windows 8 computers since Intel won't lower prices enough you would think AMD would be mentioning how their APU's would be perfect for the new ultrabook market. For one thing an APU powered UltraBook would be significantly cheaper than the Intel counterpart. I would have more processing power than an atom CPU it would also run cooler (which is a first for AMD) and this is a big one they would have a DEDICATED GPU. None of this integrated garbage you would finally be able to have a competent mobile gaming/multi media system that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. Hell even on the desktop market Bulldozer would be perfectly adequate CPU. It may not be as fast as the the newer Intel chips but for average joe "I want ot browse youtube and play angry birds" it will do the job more than adequately enough. It would even do fine in a mid level enthusiast gaming rig. It's kinda sad seeing that just 10 years ago AMD was really marketing them selves to manufactures for use in their low cost entry level computers as well as their more enthusiast oriented lines and having great success. It seams that AMD kinda lost sight of what they were good at (while trying to play follow the leader with Intel), and that is making low cost robust cpu's for entry level and mid level PC's and more performance oriented models for the enthusiast and gaming market.

 

[SocketA]

AMD did call attention to the fact that Bulldozer performs better in Windows 8 than Windows 7 because it's programmed to handle more threads and power states better. I can't say AMD is ever limiting a Windows experience. It's much more likely to be the graphics or hard drive.

True, but they really don't seem to be trying to show manufactures that their products are a viable alternative to Intel's. I mean would you take a 1K+ Intel Atom powered Ultrabook or a sub 1K APU powered Ultrabook that will in deliver the same experience if not better in some instances.

 

[sureshothunk]

I see many people complaining in this forum.
Change is necessary, it drives economy.
As I understand people are unable to make rapid hardware changes due to recession. But i would suggest you to continue using your current HW and SW combo till things settle down. No one is forcing you to switch to windows 8 the day it comes.
Also critics are actually helping improve the product.. just provide ideas.. dont start taking things personally.. not healthy.. that's what I can say.

 

[captaincharisma]

[citation][nom]__-_-_-__[/nom]the solution: linux[/citation]

LOL you might as well stick with windows 8 because there is less of a learning curve. thanks for the laugh

 

[dalauder]

[citation][nom]SocketA[/nom]True, but they really don't seem to be trying to show manufactures that their products are a viable alternative to Intel's. I mean would you take a 1K+ Intel Atom powered Ultrabook or a sub 1K APU powered Ultrabook that will in deliver the same experience if not better in some instances.[/citation]Atoms aren't in Ultrabooks--Mobile 2nd Gen i5's are. That said, I'd probably go with Llano if it was an option because I'd like to be able to play strategy games or maybe TF2 on my Ultrabook. But for my wife, I recommend Intel if it's the same price.

 

[deicided]

[citation][nom]hasten[/nom]So my desktop will now boot in 0 seconds since it boots in less than 20 on 7? hmmmm.[/citation]

That's based off a HDD smart arse. But Assuming that Microsoft are correct about utilising the boot times of all computers you may be able to expect 10 second or so boot times.

 

[nebun]

hmmmm....looks like i will be using win 7 for a very long time

 

[psaus]

The Start button is gone folks. And guess what, I welcome this change! It's time to evolve. With change there's always resistance. And almost always in tech, this resistance is futile. No one is considering the mobile (smartphone/tablet) computing element here, and the unification of computing between your desk and when you're away.
As for the OEMs crying about PC prices? Guess what, this has happened for every Windows release since 98. OEMs are a bunch of crybabies.
Thank you Microsoft for pushing the limits
PS, had apple released something like W8, people would be heralding them as complete geniuses! HA!

 

[olaf]

yeah i can imagine how touching and then constantly cleaning a 24" screen can bow ... esp since like most people i like to sit back infront of my pc to be confortable .... and i don't like the screen 10" from my face ...

 

[damianrobertjones]

[citation][nom]olaf[/nom]yeah i can imagine how touching and then constantly cleaning a 24" screen can bow ... esp since like most people i like to sit back infront of my pc to be confortable .... and i don't like the screen 10" from my face ...[/citation]

That's what the keyboard and mouse is for

 

[daglesj]

Personally I'm really impressed with Windows 8. I think it's really polished and a nice increment over Windows 7 that was a welcome arrival nearly 4 years ago. I love the fast boot times and other tweaks that look great.

The only fly in the ointment is.......Metro. It's a steaming heap of crap for the desktop/non touch user.

Why do I need 7 different Metro apps for weather/finance/social/gaming/news etc. when we have all had one app that gives us all of that since 1993?

The web browser!

I can can stay in Firefox all day for all that stuff. Why do I need all those different quite flakey apps that sit away from the actual desktop I'm working in?

Oh and it will be a cold day in hell when I start touching and smearing greasy fingerprints on my desktop's screen, touch or no touch.

 

[uruquiora]

Win 8 sucks... for most computer uses anyway like office tasks/gaming etc...

 

[daglesj]

[citation][nom]uruquiora[/nom]Win 8 sucks... for most computer uses anyway like office tasks/gaming etc...[/citation]

Care to expand on that? For me on Windows 8, Office and the games I've tried on it work exactly the same as 7.

Have you used a computer long and do you need help?

 

[zaznet]

[citation][nom]drwho1[/nom]Windows 8 is done.Let's talk about Windows 9: The return of the Start Button.[/citation]

They will do the same as they did with Vista to 7 and we'll have Windows 9 or perhaps Windows 8.5 that "fixes" the problems with the original (mostly through a new generation of hardware and driver support).

 

[notsleep]

yup. it's kinda like with intel's tick tock scheme. vista is the 'tick' then win 7 is the 'tock.' win 8 is the 'tick' then win 9 is the 'tock.' i'll wait for the 'tock.'

 

[ern88]

I'll be keeping windows 7 for a long time to come. I am not getting a touch screen just to use it. Why would MS bring a mobile OS to the PC!?!