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[citation][nom]pocketdrummer[/nom]Good for them, I'll keep my Win7 System and save $1000 in the process. I'm happy with my PC because I built it my damn self.[/citation]


Word!
 
[citation][nom]liveonc[/nom]Case in point is that I didn't call them arrogant, I called them stupid. It's not just branding, but having everything Mac & not having other choices because it's not cool to have them, even though they are possible & that's the shackles they paid for because others have them too.[/citation]
You may not have called them arrogant, but you still can't comprehend personal preference. It's a sign that you haven't really had any experience outside your Zone of Familiarity. You like to think of yourself as superior and open-minded, yet you are quite the opposite. It's a fairly common trend I've seen amongst the news article comments. There are the Mac fanboys, the much larger group of "PC"/Windows fanboys (the "enlightened" and "open-minded" people), the Linux fanboys (there's not a great deal on this site) and the few who have enough experience in more than one platform to see the advantages and disadvantages of each, and who can understand the concept of personal preference.

For the record, I think Lenovo ThinkPads are awesome. I was considering an X200s quite some time ago but couldn't justify the cost for my uses.
 
Have you guys actually checked the prices of various Mac computers? They are more expensive but not significantly higher. There are also intangibles that are work to justify the extra dollars. For example: My MacBook Pro is milled out of a single block of aluminum. It is extremely rigid and rugged. The screen is LED backlit. The keyboard is backlit in low light situations. These are elements not commonly found on budget laptops....especially all metal construction. My iMac (24 inch) has not given me a single problem in 2 years. The OS is elegant and stable. Some of my software is Mac specific and not available for Window based machines. Logic Pro os one of the most powerful software programs I have ever used. Mac only! Give this a rest. Apple is a very capable firm....that produces software and hardware to work together nearly flawlessly. They deserve their high rating...at least in my book.
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]You may not have called them arrogant, but you still can't comprehend personal preference. It's a sign that you haven't really had any experience outside your Zone of Familiarity. You like to think of yourself as superior and open-minded, yet you are quite the opposite. It's a fairly common trend I've seen amongst the news article comments. There are the Mac fanboys, the much larger group of "PC"/Windows fanboys (the "enlightened" and "open-minded" people), the Linux fanboys (there's not a great deal on this site) and the few who have enough experience in more than one platform to see the advantages and disadvantages of each, and who can understand the concept of personal preference.For the record, I think Lenovo ThinkPads are awesome. I was considering an X200s quite some time ago but couldn't justify the cost for my uses.[/citation]

But you still don't get it. It's not a case of I hate Vista & the world has to know. It's more about that I like having choices. If I could be bothered to, I might have made a PC run MacOS, but I can't even be bothered to. The whole point of Mac, is Mac, for the sake of Mac. I don't feel like being forced to refurnish, because I want to go with this "concept". That I'm not forcing anyone else to either, nor do I try to convert a Mac addict to a Lin/Win true believers. But I do speak my mind, & I like to call people what I feel they are. A bunch of people paying too much for shackles who like this way of life, & take offense to those who simply point this out. I can't get a Mac4Life fan to see it the way I see it, nor can I get them to see themselves as what they are, & that's why it annoys me.
 
[citation][nom]Parsian[/nom]Windows Vista's problems existed, but much of it was over hyped and over exaggerated... All it takes is bunch of people at intelligence level of a Mac user to hear a rumor and then he/she will react religiously without further inquiry to believe the rumor.[/citation]

the think i hated most about vista was its user interface, which sadly, went over to win 7. aside from that it was a resource whore of a system, just because i have 4 gigs of ram in it doesn't mean i want the os to use it all.

[citation][nom]molo9000[/nom]Apple has figured out a long time ago what makes customers happy.Hardware, operating system, drivers and service from the same company just makes for a complete package. Couple that to great industrial design and attention to detail and you have a very satisfying computer even if it doesn't come cheap.[/citation]

no, its pander to hipster morons, and sell your product s the "cool thing" there is not one thing that i use and like more on a mac than i did on windows anything, and that is including every ***** version of windows, vista & me included

[citation][nom]Bluescreendeath[/nom]When you pay $2000 for a Mac, you better be happy or you've realized you've been overcharged for something that really costs half the price.If you buy an expensive glass of wine from a $500 bottle, you're going to say it tastes classy and elegant compared to a cheap wine from a $10 bottle...even if in reality the two wines were actually from the same damn bottle.Self-fulfilling prophecy in psychology.[/citation]

thats people who don't know their wine. iv watched contests where people who know there alcohols compete to tell whats what, and what year, its amassing to see there really is a difference, now is that difference worth 1000$ a bottle? to almost everyone no.

[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]You could ask the same question of PC owners. Maybe they aren't really happy either. I don't know why some people can't get their head around the concept of personal preferences that are different to their own. It's hypocritical to call Mac users arrogant if you can't comprehend this. Some people buy luxury items because they like luxury items and they can afford them. Some people hardly use computers and a crappy OEM thing for $600 will suffice. Not everyone plays Crysis. Not everyone wants to overclock. Not everyone likes Windows (I know, shocking).I like the look and feel of Mac laptops, but I'd never buy one. I'm a cheapass and OSX is not the right tool for the things I use a computer for. Sadly, most people, even enthusiasts, don't know if they are using the right tool for the job. They just use what they've always used.[/citation]

you do know that a 400$ computer can play crysis at relativity good quality? not saying you will get 1080p at playable framerates.

but its retarded to want a luxury. im in a position where i can get luxury items, but paying 2000$ for something that a 300$ netbook can do just as good, or more if i want some power for something a 1000$ desktop can match?

now look and feel of a mac aside, its retarded to say you pissed away money just to piss it away.

[citation][nom]fyasko[/nom]they don't even make their own OS, it's a tweaked out UNIX OS. soo... really MAC's are the equivalent to gucci or LV, it's a fashion statement, a status symbol. a hyundai genesis is better than a 3 series BMW but no one buys BMW because they are the best, it is because of status. MAC users are the same crop that buy "porche" boxter's and cayenne's.[/citation]

in those cars defense, they are luxury cars, they serve and serve a purpose outside saying you pissed away up to 100 grand or more. a mac is just you pissed money away. a sports car is what you buy car wise to piss money away for the sake of pissing it away

[citation][nom]liveonc[/nom]Case in point is that I didn't call them arrogant, I called them stupid. It's not just branding, but having everything Mac & not having other choices because it's not cool to have them, even though they are possible & that's the shackles they paid for because others have them too.[/citation]

talk to people who use a mac and had a choice between windows and macs. you point out obvious flaws to them and they ignore them or once even called it a feature. one mac fan boy actually told me that my dell or whatever name brand was no different, when i told him i built my own pc, he laughed at me and called me to cheap to even argue with. crap like that is common enough at least with the mac side that i generalize everyone of them as a moron who isn't worth talking to until they prove themselves. i mean even console owners are less vocal fanboys than anyone who uses apple ***

[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]You may not have called them arrogant, but you still can't comprehend personal preference. It's a sign that you haven't really had any experience outside your Zone of Familiarity. You like to think of yourself as superior and open-minded, yet you are quite the opposite. It's a fairly common trend I've seen amongst the news article comments. There are the Mac fanboys, the much larger group of "PC"/Windows fanboys (the "enlightened" and "open-minded" people), the Linux fanboys (there's not a great deal on this site) and the few who have enough experience in more than one platform to see the advantages and disadvantages of each, and who can understand the concept of personal preference.For the record, I think Lenovo ThinkPads are awesome. I was considering an X200s quite some time ago but couldn't justify the cost for my uses.[/citation]

yea, and than there is the fact that some people are just stupid.
i play games, and i dont like macs, and thats the first thing that gets thrown in my face when speak, but even if i dont play games, and 90% of the time im on a computer, i would still use windows because its better. everything i do, and i have used osx, requires me to pres keys on the keyboard to do it where on windows its left a right click for almost anything. or my favroite, when i did something on a mac, but it didn't do anything, this is hard to explain if you don't use windows because you are already use to it.
 
[citation][nom]Skypilot53[/nom]Have you guys actually checked the prices of various Mac computers? They are more expensive but not significantly higher. There are also intangibles that are work to justify the extra dollars. For example: My MacBook Pro is milled out of a single block of aluminum. It is extremely rigid and rugged. The screen is LED backlit. The keyboard is backlit in low light situations. These are elements not commonly found on budget laptops....especially all metal construction. My iMac (24 inch) has not given me a single problem in 2 years. The OS is elegant and stable. Some of my software is Mac specific and not available for Window based machines. Logic Pro os one of the most powerful software programs I have ever used. Mac only! Give this a rest. Apple is a very capable firm....that produces software and hardware to work together nearly flawlessly. They deserve their high rating...at least in my book.[/citation]


I miss the days of where Apple could offer the best, because it was the best, & not simply something they say. A time where graphics & productivity was why people did this, not just because others did it, or because they couldn't be bothered to try something else. Apple said people who used Windows were goofy, mindless zombies, without the ability to try something new. Now who's doing just this? Who's taking away the choices & rationality? Can Apple offer the best, no one else can offer, & justify the price because no one else has anything that can match it? Or if you take your cash, & spend the same amount, get something much better?
 
[citation][nom]liveonc[/nom]Let Mac people be happy with crap products. They're happier than non-Mac people who always complain about getting too little & paying too much. But don't get this wrong, because if Mac people ever get an iPhone 4G that actually works, it's because of all the non-Mac people who like to point out everything a Mac can't do.[/citation]

There is no iPhone 4G, there is iPhone 4.
 
I used to work at Dixons. Here's the scene: Standing by the stereo's, a guy walks in, straight up to me and points at a certain brand/make, obviously must have been in previously.
"Is this good?"
Me, "Yeah, it's not bad at all, but, for the same price, you can have this model that has a wider audio range and more options"

The guy just looked at me, nodded, then walked off. We might have talked a bit more, not sure as it was years back. The long and short of the story, is this.. I got the overwhelming feeling that I should have just said 'yes, it's great', validated his choice, got the sale.

He just seemed a bit angry.

Oh well. It does seem to be the same with ex pc owners who always infect their pc via illegal donwloads of music, pron, wares. Instead of 'learning' and changing their habits, Mr.SMug comes along and mentions Apple. You know the rest. "Oh, why don't you get a mac, you'll never have a problem!" Tell that to the people screaming on the support forums.

We all want to fit in, to belong, but buying Apple does not mean that you have more money, more sense or more friends, it means that you have chosen 'style' over something better. If you want the best, but a mac monitor and a standard desktop from another oem. Think about it...
 
[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]i would still use windows because its better. everything i do, and i have used osx, requires me to pres keys on the keyboard to do it where on windows its left a right click for almost anything.[/citation]

That's just an issue of personal preference once again. An avid OSX user would potentially complain that Windows requires them to constantly click things. Is either method better? Perhaps, but you'd have a lot of difficulty objectively quantifying why one method is better than the other. Since I've been using Linux more often I now prefer to type in things rather than click through inefficient menus and buttons all over the place (sadly Microsoft doesn't ship a half-decent CLI with Windows; I'm yet to try Powershell).

OSX does things differently to Windows which does things differently to Linux. What you use should depend on what you plan to use it for more than anything else. You should explore all the options thoroughly first. Windows is not the best tool for the job in all cases, and neither is OSX or Linux.
 
[citation][nom]damianrobertjones[/nom]I used to work at Dixons. Here's the scene: Standing by the stereo's, a guy walks in, straight up to me and points at a certain brand/make, obviously must have been in previously."Is this good?"Me, "Yeah, it's not bad at all, but, for the same price, you can have this model that has a wider audio range and more options"The guy just looked at me, nodded, then walked off. We might have talked a bit more, not sure as it was years back. The long and short of the story, is this.. I got the overwhelming feeling that I should have just said 'yes, it's great', validated his choice, got the sale.He just seemed a bit angry.Oh well. It does seem to be the same with ex pc owners who always infect their pc via illegal donwloads of music, pron, wares. Instead of 'learning' and changing their habits, Mr.SMug comes along and mentions Apple. You know the rest. "Oh, why don't you get a mac, you'll never have a problem!" Tell that to the people screaming on the support forums.We all want to fit in, to belong, but buying Apple does not mean that you have more money, more sense or more friends, it means that you have chosen 'style' over something better. If you want the best, but a mac monitor and a standard desktop from another oem. Think about it...[/citation]

Style? This isn't stupid, it's arrogant! Lian Li, Silverstone, Thermaltake... It's an Apple, someone who bit, offers you one until you take a byte. It's as simple as that. Apple doesn't have a monopoly on style, design, innovation, luxury, etc, etc. So why do people insist that they do? But what's worse is that of course I won't buy a Mac, so I can install Windows on it, when I have to go through so much to install MacOS on something which isn't, only to feel cheap & stupid for not just getting a Mac, if that's what I wanted.

So I like my Lin, extra geek, & my Windows, extra soft. But I won't get a Mac, just because my friends won't like me if I don't. I won't give into this rat race of getting an iPhone4, just to be forced to get an iPhone4G, & forcing myself to get an iPhone4GS when that comes around.
 
[citation][nom]liveonc[/nom]So why do people insist that they do?[/citation]

Marketing 101: If there is very little differentiation between your products and a competitor's products, you need to create a perceived differentiation. Marketing is the primary influence on many purchasing decisions. If it wasn't then there wouldn't be much point in spending big bucks on marketing. Apple has an exceptional marketing machine, and Steve Jobs is a brilliant CEO despite what you or I may think of him personally.
 
[citation][nom]insightdriver[/nom]personal perceptions are valid. If they aren't, then yours is null and void, nesto1000PS. I am a windows 7 user.[/citation]

But personal perceptions are not valid. For example, a Mac user makes his OSX crash by pulling out a USB memory stick while it is in sleep mode. He figures it out and disqualifies this as it being "his fault" and he's wasn't "doing it right" so there is nothing bad to say about his OS.

A Windows user with the same problem? Microsoft's fault and they need to fix the bug immediately or else they suck.

This is a true story btw. Read the Mac user's thread on a Mac fanboy forum somewhere a while back. There were a lot of disqualified problems. Many mac users even said they had a crappy Mac that crashed a lot but got a new one and it's great, completely disqualifying an unstable and ***** computer as some sort of anomaly that never happens.

Your perception is warped by what you believe in. That's why religion is so successful. If everyone looked at it objectively, the numbers would dwindle fast.
 
[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]But personal perceptions are not valid. For example, a Mac user makes his OSX crash by pulling out a USB memory stick while it is in sleep mode. He figures it out and disqualifies this as it being "his fault" and he's wasn't "doing it right" so there is nothing bad to say about his OS.A Windows user with the same problem? Microsoft's fault and they need to fix the bug immediately or else they suck.[/citation]

A Linux user would say "let's get this working." Three different ways of thinking. No wonder there are religious flame wars on the topic.
 
[citation][nom]beayn[/nom]But personal perceptions are not valid. For example, a Mac user makes his OSX crash by pulling out a USB memory stick while it is in sleep mode. He figures it out and disqualifies this as it being "his fault" and he's wasn't "doing it right" so there is nothing bad to say about his OS.A Windows user with the same problem? Microsoft's fault and they need to fix the bug immediately or else they suck.This is a true story btw. Read the Mac user's thread on a Mac fanboy forum somewhere a while back. There were a lot of disqualified problems. Many mac users even said they had a crappy Mac that crashed a lot but got a new one and it's great, completely disqualifying an unstable and ****** computer as some sort of anomaly that never happens.Your perception is warped by what you believe in. That's why religion is so successful. If everyone looked at it objectively, the numbers would dwindle fast.[/citation]


There's no doubt that Jobs is good at what he does. But all this MLM is really getting to me. It's 90% marketing 10% innovation. Why is this bad? We all get to suffer & pay in the end, if not already.

A money machine isn't one that stops because everyone else is broke or gone. It's one that ensures a constant supply of fuel, workers, & parts are available to keep it running. You don't just shut it down because something makes you look less good, nor do you buy it up just because you can if when don't know what to do with it.

As for shut up, get out, or feel stupid. It's not the way customer support was meant to be. Sending lawyers isn't dealing with the problem, it's ignoring that there was one, & that doesn't solve it.
 
Arguing over a product, and taking it personally, is just the reason Apple and Microsoft make billions. Fan boys one and all. For shame.
 


That's pretty disturbing if they perceive that way.

Perception can be dangerous, you form a perception about something that's fine and dandy, but it needs to be tested. I can also add "perceived" vs "real" security of the Mac.
 


As you can any Windows PC that is running an updated anti-virus program. The difference is likely to be less notable, but it's still there and it's still significant.
 
After using Windows 7 for eight months, I could never go back to Vista. It's much better and much faster! I'm thinking about installing Win7 on my laptop, but everytime I try installing a new OS, something goes wrong.
 
Hmm the usual anti "apple" barrage - but truth be told, PC's beat Macs anyday. I used to have to use a Mac at work... within six months i managed to "break" it and now have a nice i7 based PC which was cheaper and much faster
 
My 'beef' with Apple is for the most part rooted in the fact the equivalent PC or laptop will cost nearly half as much.

Contemporary laptops usually come with LED screens, and true, while the keyboard may not be backlit, I personally prefer working on my laptop with the main light active (to avoid too much eye strain from only having the laptop screen as the only source of light).

Furthermore, most software I use doesn't work in MacOS natively, and taking into consideration the exaggerated price-tag of Apples (as stated before) I find it inefficient to spend loads of money on something that is supposedly 'cool'.
Trends are in my personal opinion a waste of time, and going along with the masses ... well, I just don't buy into all of the glamour and 'cool' factor.

Funny how some people who own Macs usually claim: 'I need something that works'.
That's odd, because Windows works just fine ever since XP (at least it did for me).
I rarely if ever experienced issues with the OS ... then again, I have decent knowledge in computers, so it's not a problem for me.

But every person will need time to adjust to a new computer.
When I first took a look at the Mac OS, I was horrified with the lack of executable files.
Things were stored in places that simply didn't make any sense and were hard to find.
Of course, with time, using MacOS would be a breeze (just as it would with Windows).

The biggest problem is the hype for the most part.
I look for something that is decently powerful, affordable, efficient and works.
Windows (for me) does all of that just fine.

If people are happy with a Mac, that's fine too, but I still don't like Apple due to their idiotic price schemes and several other factors.


Incidentally, if a user disconnects a usb while the laptop/computer is sleeping and they crash the OS like that ... lol , I'd like to know what kind of Windows OS does that because it never happened to me.
Furthermore, the OS creator IS to blame partly for the error if it happens because logically, pulling out an USB device while the computer is asleep should NOT crash the OS in any situation.
Users aren't always aware on what they can and cannot do in an OS.
 
im not a fan of apple products, but this nasty turn TH users have taken on anti-apple products is quite disgusting

let people buy what they want fellas. it's not your money, so don't worry about it
 
I've noticed many people have been satisfied even with budget PCs. For the average user, a multi-core CPU and decent graphics will go a long way towards email, websurfing, facebook, music, etc.
 
The only reason people buy MACs is because they don't know how to use a computer anyway and some MAC fanboy told them it's soo easy to use and "just works", yet they get it, ask for help and NOBODY knows how to use the damn thing.
 
[citation][nom]liveonc[/nom]I miss the days of where Apple could offer the best, because it was the best, & not simply something they say. A time where graphics & productivity was why people did this, not just because others did it, or because they couldn't be bothered to try something else. Apple said people who used Windows were goofy, mindless zombies, without the ability to try something new. Now who's doing just this? Who's taking away the choices & rationality? Can Apple offer the best, no one else can offer, & justify the price because no one else has anything that can match it? Or if you take your cash, & spend the same amount, get something much better?[/citation]

Well said, if Apple show that they can make a computer that is original, unique, and inivative then I will vote for them. However, if they just keep trying to relable existing products (using intel, amd, nvidia, etc.) and calling them their own, then they are worse then Microsoft who doesn't claim laptops/desktops as being their own but rather just the OS. Apple needs to tell their consumers their truth that they are producing the same product you can get from HP/Dell/etc. but that they have installed their own OS rather then installing windows. With apples development and focus on their OS, or lack of, I wouldn't be supprised to see them install windows in the next few years. They will still sell and Apple computer but call it "magical" and have it sell just as well even if you can buy the same from HP/Dell/etc., or better, for half the price.
 
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