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So, Intel has to lower its overpriced 9650 to compete? This smacks of nVidia overpricing. You find it ok Intel sold them for so much? Or is Intel only out to make money, and arent so pro customer friendly? And again, as people have described P2 as a ho hum "old" tech/chip, why would Intel have to take their highest non EE chip to compete in the Yorkies if P2 is so ho hum? This is my point. P2 is competitive, will help pricing, and people who embrace Intel shoud like the P2 for what its doing, shaking pricing up!
 
I agree, it does smack of intel abusing their dominant position in the market to milk us all dry for the slightly better top end. Nvidia did it, and they got hammered with the event of the HD4870 matching their top end at half the price, Intel will have to do the same, the i7 940 is currently twice the price of the p2 but not twice as fast, so will have to lower its price to get the market share. When that happens, we all win!
 
I cant believe the crap you guys write at times, What about the massive price drops of all amd cpus when core 2 was launched? What is wrong with it anyway? That is what company's do.
 


Intel has been pretty consistent in their pricing. They generally have a $1k Extreme part, a $500 high end non-extreme part, and then some options around the $300 mark for those who don't want to spend so much. While I find the extreme and the $500 chips a bit more than I'd like to spend I don't fault them for selling the high end chips at those price points. They are, after all, a company whose goal is to make money. Anyone who thinks Intel and AMD aren't just out to make money needs to wake up.

Whether Intel will lower their prices probably depends on how well Deneb actually performs. I'd love to see the Q9650 price drop down to $300 as it would be an easy (and cheap since I already have a compatable board) upgrade over my current processor. I'd also love to see Deneb perform as well as people are hoping. If their procs can overclock to 3.8-4.2ghz and keep up with a ~3.8ghz overclocked Yorkfield or ~3.5ghz i7 then not only will it probably drop Intel's prices, I'd also consider one in my next build.

The problem I had with nvidia's pricing was that at release they only offered 2 high priced parts, the 260 and 280, and didn't offer something at the 8800gts price point (until they released the 9800gtx+ at the last second to try to compete with the 4850).
 

These are my points. The only reason I bring nVidia into this is because were seeing this happen all over againexcept this time in the cpu arena. AMD has changed the whole dynamics of pricing cpus, just like they did gpus. Theyve sold their BE cpus at low prices for awhile now, and people assumed that it would end if ever AMD produced a competitive chip, except it hasnt. Theyre doing exactly what they did with the 4xxx series gpus. Now, if people find fault with this new dynamic, please explain?
 




What you doing in Oz... Peddling your bicycle attached to a motor to power your pc...


I didnt know Oz had power issues :)



Your dribbling about Intel again... Oh the darkside is calling you young jedi
 
Ill also remind you that nVidia also priced those 88s too high compared to their competition, and their whole pricing "scheme" had to end, which is what we may see here as well, IF P2 performs as it should. All those lower priced Intel chips will have to plunge in price, including duals etc. If P2 performs, this will happen, and then, whos left to complain? Only those that either own Intel stock, or possibly those that work there, depending on how this effects Intel
 
jdj, Do you actually believe that if AMD launched a chip that competed with Intel, Not just thee medium range chips i.e q9450 but with the high end as well they would not price them as high as they could?
 



Intel could drop the price on this processor regardless of what ever version it is...

Look how far the infamous Q6600 processor dropped - before the £ bottomed out you could buy one for less than £100
 
They could, but their business isnt set to run that way, and already having an example of the 4xxx series gpus for this new dynamic, and already selling their older P1 for even less, anything more than what P1 offered, plus more sales, is better than AMD currently has. AMD is obviously much hungrier than Intel, and even tho Intel is set, has all of everything, they still have a business model to perform, and AMD just may upset this applecart
 



that dropping CPU price here in the UK was down more the strength of the pound rather then intel's lowering prices, $2 to £1 makes for cheap imports from the US.

as for AMD pricing at intel level, no they wont, even with a comparible CPU, because AMD wants to regain market share. the share has swung back and forth between AMD and Intel, and now AMD thanks to the HD4xxx and p2 will regain some of its lost share since its athlon XP hay day.

And my problem is not with intel making money, the more money they make, the more they spend on RnD and the better parts we all get as a result. But its the way they do it, milking in the market, ripping off their customer base. It shows that they do not respect customer loyalty or brand loyalty. AMD did it to an extent making their parts backwards compatible and launching entire platforms(spider, now dragon).

I was just thinking, does the US not have anything like the EU's competition commision, which stops companies being able to abuse their position. If companies get away with it then they can kill off their competition and create a monopoly.

All i'm saying is, the high launch price is not uncommon, its called creaming the market, gettin the idiots who have to have the best now now now, and pay over the odds for minute improvments (if any).
 
Im talking about how things really havnt changed. Theres still 300+$ cpus out there. Im talking highend at 1000+$. If the focus is below 300$, Intels business model isnt set for that. Sure, they lower their prices eventually, but, just like nVidia hoped the G200 series would tide them over to holg up their business model, so to Intel hopes to have the i7 do the same thing. If AMD drives the i7 pricing down, then its AMDs new dynamics in this market thats winning. And, whos to complain?
 


You have got to be joking, If amd took the performance crown tomorrow the fx brand would be back and all you loyal fanboys would be paying $1000 for a phenom2 965. AMD JUST WANTS TO MAKE MONEY.

AMD are not shaking the world with a new pricing structure like some are making out, AMD have no choice with pricing as they are just trying to match price /performance ratios with intel. How are they setting new radical price structures when they are just pricing there chips with equal performing intel chips?
 
Understand, AMD has already hit bottom, theres no going down from where theyre at. At thier current levels, theyre sinking. If Intel achieves to put P2 at P1 pricing, again, whos to complain? EEs for 300$? Thats what itll take, things like that, and I dont believe Intel is willing to do this, but, may have to or at least drastically change their pricing, where all but the top cpu will be compartmentally priced, in close ongoing segments according to perf, with a nice bump for EEs, but not 1000$.
Theres also here in the US and most places, where if a majority leader in any market is shown to be unfairly pricing the competition, laws to help protect the lessor competition
 


Nothing, as long as they aren't losing money on the chips.

If Deneb can live up to all the hype then it will probably cause Intel to lower some of the Yorkfield prices like the Q9550 and Q9650 but I would be willing to bet the "extreme" chips stay at $1k. If it's really successful then it might even cause intel to drop the prices of the i7 920 and i7 940 by a bit, but probably not too much.

Nvidia screwed up because it released $650 and $400 cards and didn't really have anything that could compete with the 4850 @ $200 or the 4870 @ $300 (until they released the 9800gtx+ in a panic).

Intel has the Q9300 already under $250 and the Q9550 for about $325. The i7 920 is $300. From what I've seen the "Phenom II" 920 is expected to debut for about $250 and the 940 for about $300. It seems that Intel already has competing parts at the same price point. Now if the deneb chips can beat out the Q9300 and Q9550 and Intel decides to drop the price of the Q9650, Q9550, and i7 920 to compensate that would be excellent. I'm just not going to count on it happening until Deneb is actually released and there are some better reviews out there.
 
So, for twice the price, the 9650 is going to sell? And then therres the lower end, as we havnt even seen this yet. So, having competiton, whos stopping AMD? Whos stopping average Joe from buying a P2 as opposed to a Intel quad? Not Intel, and the ONLY way they can stop this is to lower its pricing. Also, as has been said many a time here, on a enthusiast site by both Intel and AMD users, i7 isnt for them, it costs too much. So whats the aveage Joe gonna think? So, when i say that this may upset Intels applecart, and drive down pricing, it may be accross the board
 




Give this about 6 months and we will have the 9550 at the same price as a 8200 quad...
 



I think you overestimate AMD.

If you mean product quality,it may be true that theyve hit rock bottom, but it may not, and its going to take them 2 quarters to prove it, not some clever PR or mysterious third world benchmarks.

If you mean finacials, you'd best start reading the financial news....general and specifi to AMD. They still have room to fall, and given the unlikely event that the global economy is going to take a 180 this year, its likely both they and Intel will travel that path downward
 


I don't think you'll see Intel dropping the extreme chips below $1k. It's more likely that they'd release a higher mhz part and price it around $500 then drop the 940 and 920 prices.
 
It seems most people forgot the FX, 4800 hay days all of
those chips cost a premium, now lets be fair about cost to
the customers AMD didn't just drop there prices, they were
forced to by intel, their chips couldn't compete any more so
everyone won.

right now intels still controls this market they have the
product. theres a chip to equal AMDs best and more
above it, so they control prices not AMD.
 
If you stop here, and all cry out, the sky is falling, youre as good as dead already. Many a business finds these times as the MOST ooportunistic of times. Why? Changing dynamics in the market place allows for changes period. Ill ask this. Between Intel and AMD, and the dynamics as some claim demand much lower prices, who has to change the most? AMD? or Intel? And, having made those changes, who does it effect the most? These are questions you need to ask yourself, as I alluded to it in another thread awhile ago
 

Thats the old business model, and its changed. Already being done. Have you forgotten the pricing on the BEs?
 
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