Phenom Recycled: Athlon X2 7000-Series

[chaohsiangchen]

[citation][nom]Pei-chen[/nom]Trading blows with Pentium Dual-Core E5300 and uses 50% more electricity. Underperforming indeed.[/citation]

Of course it looks bad. Comparing system power draw with DFI 790FX-M2R (3 PCIe x16 lanes) to ASUS P5Q Pro P45 (2 PCIe x8 or 1 PCIe x16). That's exactly the opposite to Tom's review with 790GX vs X48, which does not look that bad when comparing with 65nm Core 2 Duo. Yes, we know K10 isn't as good as C2D generally, so that they are priced accordingly now. 7750 is going to be priced against E5300. Just use Google Shopping to get a clue how much it will be sold.

 

[ravenware]

Well the bench results aren't that surprising at all.
The flagship Phenom 9950 can barely outpace the 6400+ chips.

I really wish Toms will come back and push this ship the edge on overclocking and see how well it performs against its predecessors at a similar clock rate.

 

[Pei-chen]

[citation][nom]Chaohsiangchen[/nom]Of course it looks bad. Comparing system power draw with DFI 790FX-M2R (3 PCIe x16 lanes) to ASUS P5Q Pro P45 (2 PCIe x8 or 1 PCIe x16). That's exactly the opposite to Tom's review with 790GX vs X48, which does not look that bad when comparing with 65nm Core 2 Duo. Yes, we know K10 isn't as good as C2D generally, so that they are priced accordingly now. 7750 is going to be priced against E5300. Just use Google Shopping to get a clue how much it will be sold.[/citation]
That some bad motherboard design then; consuming power for ports not utilized. E5300’s MSRP is $84.

 

[rambo117]

i want to see a review with the 7750 BE being OCed.
even though we will all know the outcome of that....(ouch!)

 

[Guest]

the reason why AMD was so behind because thier improving of the video cards for Ex. the 4870x2 or the hybridcross fire all 2007-08. So AMD had to chose so make "GPU or CPU?" *sorry for my incorrect spelling*

 

[urban_black_redneck]

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12/15/amd-athlon-x2-7750-7550-cpus-review/1

The 7550 trades blows with the 5200. They are both 2.5Ghz, so clock for clock performance is on par. The 7750 is only $80. About the same price as a 5200 and faster.

The absolute overclocking potential from Intels might be higher with aftermarket coolers but AMD usually bundles better stock coolers, so out of the box performance is better and STOCK overclocking can be just as good if not better.

AMD's 7000 series is a sweet deal.

 

[chaohsiangchen]

[citation][nom]Pei-chen[/nom]That some bad motherboard design then; consuming power for ports not utilized. E5300’s MSRP is $84.[/citation]

790FX is fairly old by now. It's launched a year ago and certainly X38 and P35 don't have that kind of power control. 790GX has better power management and it does consume less power under idle than 780G. It's cheaper and yet still offer 95%-99% of performance. Yes, 7750 is gonna charge that much or less when you see the price tag in January.

 

[sighQ2]

[citation][nom]royalcrown[/nom][/citation]
If you have a 95w board - wakey wakey this is a 95w cpu.

 

[sighQ2]

[citation][nom]royalcrown[/nom][/citation]
oclox the 7750 to 3.2ghz
That will help you obfuscation or what ever constipation problem you have.

btw I have no idea what an xp is. kill the fud if you wanna talk tek.

 

[sighQ2]

[citation][nom]royalcrown[/nom][/citation]

more fud
If u bought a cheap board it is cos u r cheap - try to imagine how moronic u sound.

u r fudding to bury facts - scared?

 

[sighQ2]

[citation][nom]royalcrown[/nom][/citation]

if u buy cheap you get cheap

u r lying - u and unmandtek shrimpboy - liars
and spintel spinners

 

[sighQ2]

[citation][nom]cangelini[/nom][/citation]

This is my rxn to a lack of clean fair unbiased test - which is what I have been saying - and I am announcing why.

This site seems very pro spintel. Support what you like; but do it with truth rather than partial truth and negative spin. The test is simply an inundation of pretty graphs that looks like a cpu ranking - and that's not what you started out to do. It's supposed to be a review of a cpu that's essentially a fully functional recycle of a quad that did not make spec on all 4 cores.
Note that spintel cannot do this with their socalled Q-c2d's because they are NOT TRUE QUADS to begin with - so the one's that don't make spec are useless - whereas there is much life in the 7750 series, Phemom-smooth performance, a superior uarch, and cheap ez upgrade for any old boards of socket AM2 or AM2+ mobo, will oclock to 3.2 ghz.

It will not beat all c2d's but your tests show it does beat some of them, even with a memory disadvantage. (and I don't know how you justify that)

This review would have been better reporting on a few c2d's that will fall on either side of this 7750x2 - some faster, some slower. That would be a genuine service to your readers. But it's lost on an unreadable mess of charts to the point where nobody can take the time to sort it all out to really see how this cpu performs. I tend to think that that is quite deliberate or at least it seems reckless on the part of the tester. More care to decipher useful truth would be good for all readers.
This assumes you want to report truth to your readers. And so if you want that, why not present it so it is easily interpreted and seen as a fair test?
It's you rep, not mine.

 

[sighQ2]

I just occurred to me that the points I am making are mostly missing from your test - I used to think you guys did good reviews. I used to love this site when it was the real TOM. It's obviously an extension of some great monopoly now. And that is only necessary if there is something to hide. like amd being competitive.

 

[jimmysmitty]

[citation][nom]sighQ2[/nom][/citation]

So the 2.4GHz C2D E6600 being faster than the X2 7750 in most games and apps means nothing?

Seriously you are going a little crazy here man. AMD wont always be the best and you know it. They have always switched back and forth. But don't expect any miracles anytime soon.

 

[sighQ2]

quote:
"DDR2 and DDR3 Deneb are different models with incompatible memory controller. If you buy a 7750 + 780G board, the fastest Deneb you can run is the DDR2 model which will be phased out once DDR3 become cheap enough."

WRONG!!!!

Phenom II (DENEB) has dual IMC (int. mem. controllers) for either dd2 or dd3.
SOCKET AM3 deneb CPU's will work with AM3 boards or backwards compatible with AM2+ and some AM2!! It means you will need a bios upgrade from mobo maker.

BUT you cannot run an AM2 CHIP in a SOCKET AM3 mobo. It won't fit due to AM3 = 938 pins - vs AM2 = 940 pins.

But the AM3 chips will work in AM2's IF your mobo has a bios upgrade.

The CURRENTLY RELEASING Phenom II 940 is an AM2+ PART. It will only work in an AM2(+) board. NOT in an AM3 board. It's a unique part, is a BE, and will work in existing boards using DDR2.

The equivalent AM3 version will release 2nd Q 2009. The only way the early release chip will work with DDR3 is if a mobo maker makes a AM2+ board that will use DDR3!!

But SOCKET AM3 can be built to support either ddr 2 or 3, but not both.
yes it is confusing - but that's the way it is.

see = ez guide to am3 on amdzone forum. an evolving thread.

 

[royalcrown]

[citation][nom]sighQ2:
"If you have a 95w board - wakey wakey this is a 95w cpu."
"oclox the 7750 to 3.2ghz
That will help you obfuscation or what ever constipation problem you have.

btw I have no idea what an xp is. kill the fud if you wanna talk tek."
"more fud
If u bought a cheap board it is cos u r cheap - try to imagine how moronic u sound.

u r fudding to bury facts - scared?"
"if u buy cheap you get cheap

u r lying - u and unmandtek shrimpboy - liars
and spintel spinners"
[/nom][/citation]

1. I wasn't looking at a 7750 to upgrade, I am interested in the 940 c2 (deneb based Phenom II) so far, who cares about the 7750 at this point if they have an X2 64 series that is 500 or better ?

2. I don't give a rat's as$ about overclocking personally, I like my stuff to last longer.

ob·fus·cate audio (bf-skt, b-fskt) KEY

TRANSITIVE VERB:
ob·fus·cat·ed , ob·fus·cat·ing , ob·fus·cates

1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: "A great effort was made . . . to obscure or obfuscate the truth" (Robert Conquest).
2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.

I meant X2 and not XP, and an Xp is the old school Athlon gen 2 FYI, since you know how to talk tech so well !

3. speaking of obsfucation, I purchased my board in april right at release before it was common knowledge that you now had to check board wattages, before that you only had to worry about cpu compatibility and not power requirements. If someone like3 Gary Key (not Anand), who tests boards everyday for his JOB was unaware of this snafu at the time, why should the average builder know this. Try reading this quote from Gary:
"Personally, I was very disappointed in the type of information available on the websites and in the product manuals. Sure, a manufacturer can hide behind the CPU support lists, but the information provided on the product description and specification pages would lead the majority of users to think using any Phenom or X2 processor is perfectly acceptable when it is not. One would think the manufacturers would be especially sensitive to this problem unless they just enjoy the RMA process and pissed off customers. This especially holds true when purchasing the board from an e-tailor or local shop. Unless the user does some research, the current information available in a product ad or on the box does not tell the rest of the story.

Our stand at this time with the manufacturers is they need to ensure the CPU support page is clearly identified, readily available on the product information page, and it needs to be updated on a regular basis. We also request the CPU support page be linked from the processor support information described in the overview section. If this is not possible then the processor information should be asterisked with a note to check the CPU support page or state what processors are not supported in the short term. Trying to address the channel and retail markets is another can of worms that we will look at later."

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3279&p=3

..in short, you're really being an ass on this and totally clueless...it simply wasn't well known at the time except to mobo manufacturer's.

If you're gonna troll/flame, know your facts...

 

[royalcrown]

Which btw was when the 780g was released and 790 wasn't even available...ass !

 

[fazers_on_stun]

yeah, SighO2 aka Zhootie Tootie at AMDZone is a rather stupid fanboi who mistakenly picks on other AMD fanbois over there. I'd guess once somebody wakes up Ghost, he might ban this guy.

Lessee now, AMD comes out with their triple cripple and double trouble (thanks to Sparks and soon their single dingle. Luckily Intel's yields are such that they don't need to sell lobotomized CPUs.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

RC, Jimmy et al - just report this idiot for abuse and he will get banned. He's too stupid to realize that he is doing AMD more harm than good...

 

[sykozis]

Amazing how the benchmark results shown here appear very different from the ones posted on guru3d the other day. Guru3d's benchmarks show the 7750 and E8200 running roughly equal, trading off which is faster across their test games. Tomshardware must get a lot of money from Intel to continue the lies for the last 10 years.

 

[chechak]

Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition is the best

 

[randomizer]

[citation][nom]sykozis[/nom]Amazing how the benchmark results shown here appear very different from the ones posted on guru3d the other day. Guru3d's benchmarks show the 7750 and E8200 running roughly equal, trading off which is faster across their test games. Tomshardware must get a lot of money from Intel to continue the lies for the last 10 years.[/citation]
Or guru3D is getting alot of money from AMD. Maybe that's why the company is broke :lol:

 

[Pei-chen]

[citation][nom]sykozis[/nom]Amazing how the benchmark results shown here appear very different from the ones posted on guru3d the other day. Guru3d's benchmarks show the 7750 and E8200 running roughly equal, trading off which is faster across their test games. Tomshardware must get a lot of money from Intel to continue the lies for the last 10 years.[/citation]
Here is a question, if a Phenom X4 is slower than Wolfdale in games why would Phenom X2 be faster than Wolfdale?

 

[EAZY-E]

all aboard the fail train!

 

[jerfle]

So let me get this straight. They disable two power consuming, heat producing cores and the best they can get is 100 MHZ clock increase. What?!