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quote sykozis
(nice name btw)

"Amazing how the benchmark results shown here appear very different from the ones posted on guru3d the other day. Guru3d's benchmarks show the 7750 and E8200 running roughly equal, trading off which is faster across their test games. Tomshardware must get a lot of money from Intel to continue the lies for the last 10 years."

Amazing what unbiased testing can do. No spintel fans have any hope of knowing about the flaws in cur2. fast, yes, flawed, yes - and in real world use, that can be slow, pause, jerk, pause, slow, fast, slow, and so on.... amd fans talk about this a lot esp. in discussion about phenom SMOOTH - an observation by people who OWN BOTH

btw - jimmyspit - donttalktome - remember.
 
[citation][nom]sighQ2[/nom]No spintel fans have any hope of knowing about the flaws in cur2. fast, yes, flawed, yes - and in real world use, that can be slow, pause, jerk, pause, slow, fast, slow, and so on....[/citation]
Get your brain checked dude, that doesn't sound good.
 
[citation][nom]royalcrown[/nom]2. I don't give a rat's as$ about overclocking personally, I like my stuff to last longer.
[/citation]

I'm not so sure it actually makes any significant impact on lifespan. Sure it'll impact theoretical lifespan, but not that much reallife.
Looking back years I've had 2 8800gtx and a gts640 break (not oc'ed most of the time), a bunch of harddrives, a power supply, and a pair of ballistics running pc2-9600c5. The memory was the only thing that was overclocked, and they broke when the powersupply failed. The ga-p35-ds4 is overclocked and hasn't failed for 1½ years now. The e6400 runs at a 61% oc and has been for 2 years now. The e6600 runs with a 42% overclock and is 1½ years old now. The ga-965p-ds4 runs just fine while overclocked as well, and is from december 2006 too. the brisbane 1.9ghz runs 2.3 and has done so at least since I got it in the summer, and probably earlier. The tforce550 runs overclocked too, though I don't know how old it is. The old opteron 170 ran 2.7 (stock 2.0) since end 2006 on an asrock board, and probably still works - though a 8800gts640 broke this summer obsoleting the build.

My point is - if you oc moderately you'll not reduce expected lifespan below useful lifespan of the hardware anyway. I don't know if any of the stuff mentioned will break tomorrow, but I don't think it will break any time soon. A friends northwood ran overclocked since early 2004 or so, and far as I know it still does.
 
I suppose I cannot convince spintel fans that they have been brainwashed, hypnotized, and lied to for many years. I cannot support that however. Nor can I support an7i7rus7 or monopolistic practices. However, when the truth is revealed to you, it will be yourself that you must deny, in order to continue belief in lies.

You will completely discount that Phenom II is pulling a 4870-move on cur i7 and Qx9770 - just like nvidiot - it only beats them some of the time, almost beats them most of the time.

Watch, you will see. All of you who said "can't wait for neeheelame" will become AMD fanboys like me. Except AMD people are pretty educated, and yall been lied to for so long - you are looking at a steep learning curve! Quit comparing to spintel, and see AMD for what it really is - not what you have been told it is, and not what you have been "parroting" far too long.

bored? read this! merely the intro. ENJOY :)

http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/asrock/ASRock-AOD790G-128M-running-Phenom-II-X4-940-overclocking/Phenom_II_X4-info-1.htm

I'm outta here. If I see a clean test report I will praise it :)
thanx.

sigh
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[citation][nom]sighQ2[/nom]You will completely discount that Phenom II is pulling a 4870-move on cur i7 and Qx9770 - just like nvidiot - it only beats them some of the time, almost beats them most of the time.[/citation]
So? My E6600 isn't leaving my rig until it dies. I don't care what Phenom II or Core i7 can do. Also that article tells me nothing, since it has no graphs, just hundres of copies of "(C) Copyright 1998-2009 OCWorkbench.com"
 
I've had an am486 cpu, I've had a k6 and a k6-2, I've had countles thunderbirds and bartons, I've had a venice, I've had a brisbane (still have), I've had a toledo. I've simply had most any amd cpu worth having. But I'm not trying to tell the world that it's better than an intel cpu, cause it simply isn't. The am486 was cheaper than the i486, the k6 was cheaper than the p55c, the k6-2 was a lot cheaper than the p2, the athlons were cheaper and better than p4s if you only look at price, and in general - amd has simply been wellpriced. But they're not always the best choice. They are NOT the fastest. I still remember when I replaced my northwood 2.8 with a venice 3500+ and was hugely disappointed by its performance. It didn't oc well, it felt slow at stock, and generally it wasn't satisfactory. Yet the athlon 64 is being highlighted as the best amd cpu ever. That sais a lot really. The best ever doesn't feel good enough. I'm sure the picture was different if you were hte owner of an acer ferrari with one of those cpu's (compared to the power hungry intels), but for me it didn't feel superior. Even when I got the opteron I suddenly realized my graphics could run 30% faster if I'd have a c2d.

My point is - I like amd because it's wellpriced. But I don't buy anything sighq2 has said so far. If anything it makes me want to invest in more intel platforms, cause I don't want to be associated with a religious fanatics group (called amd fanboys). Ironicly that might get me associated with the opposite faction, and I'm not feeling as one of them either.
I'm an oppotunist, and I try to see the world as objectively as possible, to make the best choices possible. Rant like the last 6 pages of low quality fanboyism isn't exactly strenghening my objectivity, cause I'm distracted by the rant.
 
Oh and by the way "will become AMD fanboys like me. Except AMD people are pretty educated," fyi the leaders of most noteworthy extremist groups are well educated. Well educated simply means they've attanined a lot of knowledge. That is not the same as being intelligent however, as knowledge can, given a certain amount of effort, be attained by anyone willing. So well educated and misguided isn't really as good as fairly knowledable and objective. Try getting closer to the latter.
 
[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]I've had an am486 cpu, I've had a k6 and a k6-2, I've had countles thunderbirds and bartons, I've had a venice, I've had a brisbane (still have), I've had a toledo. I've simply had most any amd cpu worth having. But I'm not trying to tell the world that it's better than an intel cpu, cause it simply isn't. The am486 was cheaper than the i486, the k6 was cheaper than the p55c, the k6-2 was a lot cheaper than the p2, the athlons were cheaper and better than p4s if you only look at price, and in general - amd has simply been wellpriced. But they're not always the best choice. They are NOT the fastest. I still remember when I replaced my northwood 2.8 with a venice 3500+ and was hugely disappointed by its performance. It didn't oc well, it felt slow at stock, and generally it wasn't satisfactory. Yet the athlon 64 is being highlighted as the best amd cpu ever. That sais a lot really. The best ever doesn't feel good enough. I'm sure the picture was different if you were hte owner of an acer ferrari with one of those cpu's (compared to the power hungry intels), but for me it didn't feel superior. Even when I got the opteron I suddenly realized my graphics could run 30% faster if I'd have a c2d. My point is - I like amd because it's wellpriced. But I don't buy anything sighq2 has said so far. If anything it makes me want to invest in more intel platforms, cause I don't want to be associated with a religious fanatics group (called amd fanboys). Ironicly that might get me associated with the opposite faction, and I'm not feeling as one of them either. I'm an oppotunist, and I try to see the world as objectively as possible, to make the best choices possible. Rant like the last 6 pages of low quality fanboyism isn't exactly strenghening my objectivity, cause I'm distracted by the rant.[/citation]

Really? I have used 3GHz and 3.4GHz P4's (extensively, probably more than my AMD machine), and the AMD64's were much faster. My 2.3GHz AMD64 downright embarrasses the P4 product line and my AMD64x2 replacement adds insult to injury.

The P4s were taken out to the woodshed upon AMD64's arrival.

Unfortunately for AMD that 3-year beat down came to an end after the release of the C2D.
Then intel took the P4 out into the woods, we heard one shot at it never came back. :)
 
Yorkfield > Kentsfield > Agena @ same clock speed.

A castrated Agena couldn't possibly be faster than half a Yorkfield. I don't know how some website quoted ran their test but if the result is Kuma >= Wolfdale, they are clearly off target.
 
[citation][nom]ravenware[/nom]Really? I have used 3GHz and 3.4GHz P4's (extensively, probably more than my AMD machine), and the AMD64's were much faster. My 2.3GHz AMD64 downright embarrasses the P4 product line and my AMD64x2 replacement adds insult to injury.The P4s were taken out to the woodshed upon AMD64's arrival.Unfortunately for AMD that 3-year beat down came to an end after the release of the C2D.Then intel took the P4 out into the woods, we heard one shot at it never came back.[/citation]

I'm not claiming it was objectively. I didn't bench teh systems. The amd one just didn't feel any faster than the intel one - and I had even upgraded the grahpics from the old x800 to a 7900gt to try mediate it.
 
Come on people, let's get real. Yes, Intel processors are faster at the top end but when you compare at the same price point, AMD processors are frequently the better deal. In the real world, that can mean doubling your memory (with DDR2 often having great rebates) which can eliminate swapping to disk. While the differences in processor speeds are frequently not noticeable in use, reducing swapping usually is.

My fastest system is built around a Phenom 9500 with 4G of memory, integrated video and 3 x 500G HDs in a RAID 5 array. It cost around $700 counting case, ps and DVD writer. Rarely any swapping going on even with multiple programs running (my usual state). It's subjectively faster than other machines I've seen with more expensive Intel processors.

Now if I wanted to build a really high-end machine, I'd go with Intel's best and multiple graphics cards but I'd be spending a lot more money for something where I'd normally only notice the difference if I was playing a game or recoding video.

Bragging rights for the fastest processor are great, but where the rubber hits the road is how many can you sell. Most people buy machines in the lower price points where AMD seems to be doing quite well, if the ads in Best Buy are any indication of the popularity of the processors.
 
There is an error on the 6000+
The 6000+ with the Windsor Core runs at 3.0GHz and has 1MB of L2 cache per core equaling a total of 2MB of L2 Cache.
The 6000+ with the Brisbane Core runs at 3.1GHz and has 512KB of cache per core equaling 1MB of L2 Cache.
You need to change the 2X 512KB to 2X 1MB
 
@ Garydale : There's no doubt that amd processors remain very interesting for office use or lowcost pc's for elderly and other people not inclined to 3d gaming. But that is only relevant for people on tight budgets or companies trying to save resources. Anyway I've always liked amd for its pricing, but since 2006 I've had a hard time recommending an athlon x2 over a core 2. Rather pay 50 euro more for a genuinely better system. But then again. None of those I'm building computers for are so poor that they worry about that.

Anyway. At work I've just installed 5 hp dc7800 computers. They cost 457 euro. Came with 4gb memory, 250gb harddrive and a q9300. With that pricing for a prebuild intel quadcore, who'd want to build a 2 core phenom downgrade?
 
This processor is quite impressive for its price preformance range. it dousn't deserve all these instuling comments. its a few euro lower then the 6000+ 65nm version and yet it has alot more cache onboard and an unlocked multiplier. i personaly find it quite impressive to see this cpu is being able to beat an 6400+ in some benchmarks regarding to look at the clock diffrence 2,7ghz vs 3,4ghz it is quite good that you could overclock this cpu without any problems with its stock cooler to 3,2ghz and with a better cooler beyond 3,4ghz making it atleast 10-20% faster then the 6400+.
that makes it quite an good deal for around 75 euro's
 
[citation][nom]solymnar[/nom]Anyone else annoyed that they mention that it "may" have great OCing potential but don't actually test it at all?[/citation]
i agree with you. Tomshardware could have atleast have tried to showed us some overclocking results. I mean what is the point about a review about an black edition CPU with an unlocked multiplier which is ment to be overclocked and not overclocking it to its full potential. seriosly this dousn't give people a fair view of it potential. BTW i want to remind you of the fact you guys keep on calling intel this great with all the OC revieuws and all but you should atleast show the full AMD OC potential if you want to make a fair line up othwerwise your benchmarks are worth crap!
 
NO CURRENT AMD CPU SUPPORTS SSE 4.1, SO STOP SPREADING INCORRECT INFORMATION
 
Why not just do another test with OC speeds included, so we can see which is really superior? Also, the C2Ds listed here are nearly twice the price of the 7750BE... did anyone take THAT into consideration? I'm sure if you got 2 7750BE's (for the same price as a C2D) that it would outperform intel in any of your beloved benchmark tests..
 
Is it just me. What benchmarks are you folks seeing. It doesn't really seem to be able to beat x2 6000. I'm not trying to be critical. For all the hype I've seen about this chip they should rerun the benchmarks or I'm missing something here.
 
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