tourist :
This is where you went off the deep end the first time. The i3 is offered as a cpu igp solution for the masses as is the liano, The i3 and a8,a6 are in the same category and thus will be compared regardless of how many times you keep saying i3 + xyz card is better. Stop floating conjecture it has been proven already a8 3850 is better at gaming than i3 using integrated solutions. what you call a stupid comparison is how they will be sold to thousands of buyers with no discrete video card.That is just the way it is.
No matter how you twist the words like this "However, the i3 is a $130 CPU, the Llano is NOT. It is a $130 CPU+GPU. The i3 isn't being stressed nearly as much as the A8 in this case, it is being compared to a processor from a different budget and performance league, a much lower one at that. It is a ridiculous comparison." It is a comparison that every review site also makes, so I will ask, who is ridiculous them or you ?
Only people who don't need decent graphics or are stupid would use an i3 without a discrete graphics card. It doesn't matter if an i3, without a graphics card, doesn't beat the Llano CPUs or if it needs a higher end card to win, it wins in the market segment that it is intended for.
Yes, Llano offeres a more balanced solution than an i3 without a graphics card and a Llano with a low end card is also more balanced than an i3 with the same low end card, but that doesn't matter because that isn't the place where you should use the i3.
You are going off the deep end by trying to take a high gaming performance CPU and comparing it to a low end gaming CPU. You can compare them, but it's irrelevant.
That is like comparing an i5 without a graphics card to Llano, or an i7. What will win, the i7 or the weak little Llano chip? The Llano will win because it has better graphics. Does this make it better? No. The i7 is not good for this usage. Neither is the i3.
The i3 competes with FX and Phenom II, NOT Llano. Intel's Pentiums and Celerons plus a Radeon compete with Llano. Are you going to ignore a better option just because it isn't integrated? That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
Even if someone gets a machine with an i3 and no graphics card, they can just install a graphics card afterwards so it doesn't matter. Going further into the high end, Llano CPUs fall behind i3 very quickly because they are not comparable CPUs.
OEM manufacturers are known for being ridiculous so your asking if I or them is ridiculous is stupid because my answer should be obvious. Besides, they all give you the option to have a video card with your i3 or any other processor so your reasoning is a moot point.
Why do you continue to ignore the far better solution with a Celeron or Pentium that I've brought up so many times? It beats all other low end gaming systems in it's price range and uses the least amount of power, what more can you ask for but to be the best?
Sure, if you don't mind comparing a high end CPU with skimped graphics to a lower end CPU with better graphics, by all means go ahead and do your idiotic comparison. Comparing them only tell you the relative performance of Llano's GPU against the IGP of Sandy Bridge. This doesn't matter because no one with enough pride to call themselves a gamer (the whole point of Llano) would be stupid enough to use integrated graphics anyway.
Tell me, why would someone ignore the better Intel solution just because it's graphics isn't integrated? It is a stupid argument. If Llano had better graphics and/or prices, then you might have had a decent argument, but it doesn't so you have failed.
MY solution slaughters the A8 and is cheaper. You don't refute this, instead you say it is stupid to have a discrete video card. That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard and I've proven many people wrong on these article comments, as has many other people. You have one of the worst and most idiotic comments I've ever had the displeasure of proving completely wrong and that's saying something, but I've explained why you are wrong.
Go ahead, keep telling the computer enthusiast that he doesn't know what he's talking about without actually proving him wrong because it really helps your credibility here. Surely I'm not a veteran here at Tom's with several badges in the forums because I know what I'm talking about.
Global rank: 329 out of 694680 (6993 points) That's copied and pasted from my profile, surely it doesn't help my credibility.
You can keep saying I'm wrong, but I'm not. I've been wrong before, but that is an uncommon thing here at Tom's and I know for a fact that I am correct.