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HAHA lol dump n run :)... I WILL SHOW U BUT LATER :)

also im runnin my e4300 at 3.0 right now with 1.290 vcore and stable...and listen man, its been said a lot... about the .95 and the .94, i still believe that 95 says the truth, i think the tjuc is 100c, and the reason they run a lil hotter, is cos allendales cores arent soldered to the IHS, like the conroe cores 😱
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It is true the IHS isn't soldered on, but that isn't why they run hotter. They are within the same TDP as Conroe cores, the difference is in the OC'ing. Allendale requires voltage increases more rapidly than Conroe do due to a difference in the manufacturing.
 
Pika they've fleshed out this prob of OC settings not holding on the ds3 3.3 over at anand. Try setting your PCIe voltage to +.1 and set your PCIe freq manually to 102.

edited for spelling
 
Here's my best compromise overclock / Temperature

- E4300 @ 9x340 FSB = 3060 MHz vcore 1.525v bios (1.48v real)
- Zalman CNPS-9700AT + Arctic-cooling MX-1 compound
- ASUS P5B Deluxe bios revision 0910
- CORSAIR 4x 512 Mb DDR2 800Mhz (PC2-6400) [TWIN2X1024A-6400] 1:1 ratio (680 Mhz, 5-5-5-15-6): I didn't try to tweak it
- TAT Idle 40-43°, Load 62-65°, Ambiant 25°
All other settings are set to manual on lowest values (vNB, vSB, vFSB)
vDDR is 2.0v

Orthos stable 6h, and will validate a >16h today
Cooler is set on performance mode, so not blowing air at maximum speed

I know my vcore is high, but why not?
My temperatures are also some high, but being on air, for that vcore and speed and an avarage E4300 chip...

I'm also rock stable Orthos 16h 9x326 = 2934MHz, vcore 1.45 bios (1.40 real), DDR2 800 @1:1 (652MHz) with much less heat

Notes on the problems I have dealt with:
- ASUS bios revisions 1004 and 1101 won't POST my stable overclocks on bios version 0910
- No way to overclock my RAM any near the 800MHz
- I had temperature issues at first and had to reseat my HSF 3 times without 1°C temperature gaine. The 4th time I reseated it using more MX-1 compound (spread a virtual layer of compond on the HSF and CPU surface using a lint free cloth, thin line from MX-1 tube on the 2/3 CPU large in the middle, gently put the HSF on CPU, tighten it, twist it 10 degrees 2-3 times). After posting, I got a 10-12° drop on load for same ambiant temperature (on lower fan speed, so maybe even more drop in temperature). For a 1.45 vcore I was at 66°, now I'm on 63-65° TAT for a 1.525 vcore (Temperature at a 1.52 vcore was 77°)

Final thoughts: I'm rather lucky since many E4300 owners never reach 3GHz. I'm less lucky than thos reaching my same temperature for a much lower vcore.

Questions:
Any tip to lower my vcore to achieve that speed?
Am I safe to use on a long term such a vcore / temperature?

Many thanks

 
HAHA lol dump n run :)... I WILL SHOW U BUT LATER :)

also im runnin my e4300 at 3.0 right now with 1.290 vcore and stable...and listen man, its been said a lot... about the .95 and the .94, i still believe that 95 says the truth, i think the tjuc is 100c, and the reason they run a lil hotter, is cos allendales cores arent soldered to the IHS, like the conroe cores 😱
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It is true the IHS isn't soldered on, but that isn't why they run hotter. They are within the same TDP as Conroe cores, the difference is in the OC'ing. Allendale requires voltage increases more rapidly than Conroe do due to a difference in the manufacturing.

hmm, that might be one of the reason why they run hotter, they have only ceramic paste in between, and i still think u should use .95, since most of the people use it, and well the thing about coretemp, is that in 94, they used to have the tjunction of the e4300 @ 85c, but due to a lot of people complainin (their cpu's would supposedly be idling @ lower temperatures than THE ROOM TEMPERATURE which on air cooling is know to not be possible) they changed it to 100c tjuc, which made more sense, its been said a lot about sum batch of the e4300 was tjuc of 85c, and most of them are 100c, before i was like i wish mine was a 85c batch, that would mean my cpu was runnin 15c cooler, but when you think about it, a 100c tjuc means the manufacturing of ur cpu is better, because it can bear higher temperatures, so either way i'm happy with my e4300 <33
 
Here's my best compromise overclock / Temperature

- E4300 @ 9x340 FSB = 3060 MHz vcore 1.525v bios (1.48v real)
- Zalman CNPS-9700AT + Arctic-cooling MX-1 compound
- ASUS P5B Deluxe bios revision 0910
- CORSAIR 4x 512 Mb DDR2 800Mhz (PC2-6400) [TWIN2X1024A-6400] 1:1 ratio (680 Mhz, 5-5-5-15-6): I didn't try to tweak it
- TAT Idle 40-43°, Load 62-65°, Ambiant 25°
All other settings are set to manual on lowest values (vNB, vSB, vFSB)
vDDR is 2.0v

Orthos stable 6h, and will validate a >16h today
Cooler is set on performance mode, so not blowing air at maximum speed

I know my vcore is high, but why not?
My temperatures are also some high, but being on air, for that vcore and speed and an avarage E4300 chip...

I'm also rock stable Orthos 16h 9x326 = 2934MHz, vcore 1.45 bios (1.40 real), DDR2 800 @1:1 (652MHz) with much less heat

Notes on the problems I have dealt with:
- ASUS bios revisions 1004 and 1101 won't POST my stable overclocks on bios version 0910
- No way to overclock my RAM any near the 800MHz
- I had temperature issues at first and had to reseat my HSF 3 times without 1°C temperature gaine. The 4th time I reseated it using more MX-1 compound (spread a virtual layer of compond on the HSF and CPU surface using a lint free cloth, thin line from MX-1 tube on the 2/3 CPU large in the middle, gently put the HSF on CPU, tighten it, twist it 10 degrees 2-3 times). After posting, I got a 10-12° drop on load for same ambiant temperature (on lower fan speed, so maybe even more drop in temperature). For a 1.45 vcore I was at 66°, now I'm on 63-65° TAT for a 1.525 vcore (Temperature at a 1.52 vcore was 77°)

Final thoughts: I'm rather lucky since many E4300 owners never reach 3GHz. I'm less lucky than thos reaching my same temperature for a much lower vcore.

Questions:
Any tip to lower my vcore to achieve that speed?
Am I safe to use on a long term such a vcore / temperature?

Many thanks

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as far as i kno, most e4300 reach at least 3.0 after that if when it starts to get interesting, so thats the lower vcore where ur cpu is stable @, as u sai dit does look a lil bit 2 much... im runnin 3.0 @ 1.290 vcore 100% stable, tho my temperatures @ load are a lil higher, i think thats only due to the fact that my e4300 is concave (i'm gonna find out tomorrow or sunday since i'm gonna lap my cpu and heatsink) and i'm really really hoping i get serious temperature drops (10c or so lol) we'll see, that way i'll be able to run my e4300 @ 3.6 on air 24/7 =)
 
ok quick update...vcore is at 1.376 and I'm not sure about everything else because its all on auto (controlled by bios) and well z0mg it turned on without any problems today in the morning....if tomorrow morning it does too then I will be one happy camper...if not then ;( oh and I think my processor is one of those *rare* screwed up kind lol....according to cpu Z my processor was running at 1200mhz so that was below stock 1800mhz...and multiplier was at 6 even tho in bios it 9...and it bounced once every 10 mins to 1800mhz for about 3 seconds...but I shall report in tomorrow morning too

*prays it will turn on without a hitch again*

now I off ...so GOOD MORNING
 
cpuz is the worse program to look up ur cpu voltage, i use speedfan n everest, its set @ 1.350 in the bios, but even when i go to the "hardware monitor" in the bios it gives me 1.290 i think its cos of the vdrop on my mobo, and with vDROOP, it even goes down to 1.26 and still runs 100% stable.
 
You have EIST enabled which is why you are bouncing around. If you watch your voltage, it should drop to 1.1vcore when the multi drops to 6, or is it 1 vcore... I forget. You can remedy this by disabling EIST in the BIOS, now where it is in your BIOS I have no idea.
 
my vdroop is 0.03 but my vdrop (as far as i kno ( a few friends of mine have the same mobo, the vdrop on this mobo is kinda high )

vdroop =/= vdrop

vdroop is what intel implemented 0.03 that voltage should lower under load,

my vdrop is a mobo malfunction. that is kinda known to happen in asus mobo. or at least commandos 😀
 
I got bored again... guess what happened this time? My spare E4300 mysteriously lost its IHS too. Ooooops, now I have 2. This one as nearly 0 trauma to the PCB board, less than the one I am using now so it will work... time for another OC adventure.

Wish me luck!
 
he's not missing anything. Mine does 334x9 with 1.318 vcore in bios and actual load vcore of 1.260 per cpuz. Your vcore is through the roof. 3.2ghz does need 1.36 actual volts which is about par for the course.
 
he's not missing anything. Mine does 334x9 with 1.318 vcore in bios and actual load vcore of 1.260 per cpuz. Your vcore is through the roof. 3.2ghz does need 1.36 actual volts which is about par for the course.
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You're all lucky, I didn't manage to overclock it without vcore increase. It won't run under 1.525 bios / 1.48 real at 3.06GHz
Mine is a Q649 batch, maybe there lies the problem, or should I lapp it, or even remove the IHS. Just afraid if I do so not to be able to sell it once on ebay

I tried increasing vFSB and vNB no luck, vcore still same needs
 
uberfly, have you ever seen an asus crosshair vdrop and vdroop mods before? Or do you know how to find out that stuff?
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I've seen vdroop mods because and thought about doing them, but it takes a steady hand not to solder your hand to the board. lol

I will see what I can dig up.

Edit: Crosshair is for AMD... I didn't think they had vdroop problems? Of the two I had neither had vdroop, of course they were DFI boards.

I will look more later, I need to rotate my tires and eat lunch. 😀
 
Hi, I just bought an E4300 (boxed), a GA-P35-DS3R (F3 BIOS) and 2 x 1 GB Corsair CL4 DDR2-667 RAM. Additionally I am using a 550 W PSU. The thermal grease I use is Arctic Silver 5 (not sure if this is important, but shouldn't be wrong to mention it).
So I thought I could oc it to 3 GHz like some of you did without problems.

Unfortunately, I am new to overclocking and therefore not sure I did everything right, but my E4300 seems to need more than stock voltages to even reach 2.7 GHz.

I finally reached FSB 333 MHz with vCore 1.4 V. However, that is far from stable. It's enough to enter the BIOS and start Windows, but it does not survive orthos for more than 20 seconds. Furthermore it runs very hot.

Currently I am running @ 2.4 GHz, vCore 1.325 (bios). CoreTemp reports both cores at 42-43 C while writing this text (and not doing anything else). When using orthos the temps even reach 70 C.

I disabled most of the automatic services like C1E and EIST. Regarding the remaining voltages I left everything at normal. The RAM is not running 1:1. The multi is 2.5 atm. This way it reaches 667 MHZ.

I hope someone can help me reach the 3 GHz. Thanks in advance.
 
If you left the multi at 2.5 when you tried to OC further then you are probably hitting a wall with your RAM. When OC'ing always leave it at 1:1 and then adjust it later after you find the max of your CPU.

What cooler are you using? If it is the Intel box heatsink then that explains your temps.

You will likely need to up the FSB termination voltage and NB core voltage. Leaving those at stock and trying to hit 333 FSB is a bit tough for the chipset.

Read This

It will answer a fair amount of questions.

Disclaimer: E4300's need more voltage than the 6 series at the same frequency generally. In order to achieve 3GHz you will likely need ~1.375-1.4v to be stable depending on vdroop.

Also read this about your temps

Keep us posted. 😀
 
Hey all, question.

I just bought an Arctic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro, wiped off the MX-1, used Arctic Silver 5 per instructions on their website.

anyway, I've OC-ed my PC to 2.8 GHz on 1.34 Vcore (read using CPU-Z). Right now idle temps are 35-36C on Speedfan for both cores.

Question: Is that a good temperature considering I have ACF7P installed? I don't know if my HSF is doing its job.
 
Can you provide a little more information please.

Room Temp?

Fans in your case?

Case?

35c doesn't sound horrible, but it may be 2-3c high, nothing to worry about but before I say that I'd like the information requested above.
 
uberfly, have you ever seen an asus crosshair vdrop and vdroop mods before? Or do you know how to find out that stuff?
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I've seen vdroop mods because and thought about doing them, but it takes a steady hand not to solder your hand to the board. lol

I will see what I can dig up.

Edit: Crosshair is for AMD... I didn't think they had vdroop problems? Of the two I had neither had vdroop, of course they were DFI boards.

I will look more later, I need to rotate my tires and eat lunch. 😀
Well I'm assuming it has a vdroop problem because why else would it be stable in everything except after a bit of loading and then not only fail but restart?

This is what happens when the CPU is partially undervolted in my experience. With all the clocking I've done on my E4300 I have found this to be the indicator of when to up the vcore.

When I am clocking I go in fairly small increments (~3MHz FSB) and let Orthos stress the CPU, at some point it will fail. If I am barely undervolting the CPU (say .002v) Orthos will just fail, but if it is undervolted by slighlty more (say .01v) the computer will go blank and restart. If it is severely undervolted (say .05v) it locks up entirely and waves its middle finger in the air like it just doesn't care. lol

Those figures are pure assumptions for the sake of illustrating my point, I don't know the exact figures. I go by touch and intuition alot.

Things may be different with AMD, I wish I could remember my clocking days but it has been awhile since I have dealt with AMD procs.

Or if it doesn't have a vdroop problem, it at least has a .2v vdrop 8O
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Vdroop is the change between idle vcore and load vcore... so what is vdrop? I honestly don't know that term.

.2v is a material error... this we need to solve. :?:

Personal note: Know anyone wanting to buy a IHSless E4300... $80 + S&H.
 
What does cpuz show your actual Vcore as when you load up TAT or orthos? (It could be a vdroop issue) It may be teething probs for the new chipset. Who made your PSU and have you checked your rails under load to make sure they're in spec?
Edit: Superfly has a good point about your ram @333fsb and a 2.5 mult you are running your Ram @833mhz.
 
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