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any advice on how to tweak it for increased stability so I can get the vcore down? (optimally below 1.5 heh)

You need to get those temps down, they are excessively warm. 60-65c is really where you want to be under Orthos load. You will likely have to scale back to about 3GHz to get there, your vcore is killing your temps.

What are you using to cool it?
 
You can probably keep the vcore around 1.425v and still get a pretty doggone long life out of the chip.

I run mine at 1.45v daily but to reach maximum OC I peg it at 1.6v (which reminds me I need to get a CPU-z dump @ >3.4GHz).

I will be moving to a Q6600 probably in August after the price drops. :wink:
 
Oh I see that now... d'oh.

p120... hmmm.

I wonder if the heatsink isn't getting good contact. Thermalpaste could be changed out for better one which would lower temps 2-3c.
 
hey guys. I've overclocked my e4300 to 2.45. (350*7) at stock voltage everything. Right now loading with TAT brings the temps up to 66 C. I'm using a thermalright U120. It's idling at 46 on one core and 51 on the other. Ambient temperature is around 85F

my question: are my temps high for my setup? I've touched the heatsink when the cpu is on load but it still feels very cool to the touch. Could it be the heat isnt transferring to the heatsink properly. I'm using the TIM bundled with my heatsink. Should I get a better one? I've tried remounting many times with varying amounts of TIM.. Thanks guys
 
I've reseated it countless times 🙁
Am i doing something wrong?
I've tried just putting a blob the size of a rice grain in the middle.
I've tried smearing it all around with a finger in a plastic..
I've tried putting it in a line..
All yields roughly this temperature.

I'm totally lost!
 
It's been a while since I've seen this thread, recognize me uberfly?^_^

We'll talk on msn, we have a lot of catching up to do

I see how it is... leave me to do all the work in this thread... j/k.

FYI I never got a reply from barnes, looks like he is on a power trip.
 
In that case, do you think I should lap my heatsink? I really don't know how to go about it and am pretty scared to do it to be honest.

I had a fan on it.. now i have TWO fans, one pushing and one pulling. Temps are still the same though. Theres hardly any difference between one and two fans..
 
In that case, do you think I should lap my heatsink? I really don't know how to go about it and am pretty scared to do it to be honest.

I had a fan on it.. now i have TWO fans, one pushing and one pulling. Temps are still the same though. Theres hardly any difference between one and two fans..

Lapping is ridiculously easy since there are no pins on the processor.

What I do:

1) Duct tape a piece of sand paper (300grit) to s flat surface
2) put the processor face down on the sand paper
3) start moving it back and forth applying even pressure
4) switch to higher grit once the entire surface has the copper exposed
5) repeat until a smooth finish is obtained (mirror finish not necessary)

There are some good articles already written up about lapping. Just use google and you wil find some good info.
 
The articles I've read mentioned use of oil/dish washer to lap.. Do I really need to do that? i'm afraid I get all messy and get oil/dish washer onto the contacts. And I'm afraid I actually make the surface even worse by applying uneven pressure. 8O

I can't imagine the temps then..
 
Never used soap... weird.

Just use a Qtip and some nail polish removed to get off the TIM and wipe it with a soft cloth after sanding to get the latent particles off and your good to go.
 
Hmmm. okay. I guess I'll just have to rally enough courage to lap it now. You think that will really drop my temps?

Its a little weird cause my heatsink doesnt feel warm AT ALL when the processor is under full load on TAT and is at 66C. Is that weird or normal?
 
Before lapping give some ceramique a try and see where it gets you. Supposedly it works better on HSF's with a less smooth mating surface with the CPU (small grain of rice down the center). Also, try running your OC with the 9x multiplier with a fsb of 300 instead. Should fetch you a 2.7ghz OC with less heat from your Northbridge and stock vcore should be plenty.

Edit: Oh, and remember TAT and Coretemp 0.95 figure e4300 temps based on an assigned tjunction figure of 100c not 85c(CT build 0.94). When figuring temps keep them proportional to the tjunction figures used. 60c load figured with a tjunction max of 85c is roughly equivalent to 71c load (73-75c actual since theres a 3%-5% difference with the real world conversion) figured using a tjunction max value of 100c.
 
Hmmm. okay. I guess I'll just have to rally enough courage to lap it now. You think that will really drop my temps?
Its a little weird cause my heatsink doesnt feel warm AT ALL when the processor is under full load on TAT and is at 66C. Is that weird or normal?

1- Well, I agree with Pax2All: lower your FSB and set multiplier to 9: there will be a whole benefit on your MB heat production, you'll maybe get some higher frequency and no voltage increase

2- Be sure your vcore is fixed to 1.325v and not set to Auto, as most MB will increase the vcore when you increase FSB.

3- I find your idle temperature really high, TAT load at 66° maybe a bit high for that speed, but some E4300 really run hot. What ambiant temperature are you running? Also control your case temperature that should be Ambiant +/- 3 to 5°C in a really good ventilated case. Some confined cases can reach up to 15°C difference from ambiant, thus a 15°C increase in your CPU temperature. I'll put a digital (or normal) thermometer inside the case, and let it some 15mn on load with TAT. If it's the case, don't look further: ventilate your case

4- If none of the above applies to you: you could fell on one of those really concave chips or with too much compound between the chip and its IHS.

IMPORTANT: Before lapping your CPU, check with a razor blade if it is really concave. No need to lapp it if it isn't.

And really, the most important part: you're running a low overclock at low voltage. TAT is creazy: nothing will ever generate so much heat. Rather use Orthos: 5-7° lower, so you'll be around 58-60°C Orthos. And remember that also no application will produce as much heat as Orthos, you see my idea? You should be really safe if you don't intend to push your E4300 further in speed.
 
Before lapping give some ceramique a try and see where it gets you.

I can't seem to find any ceramique around here (In Malaysia), though there is MX1. Will that do?

Also, try running your OC with the 9x multiplier with a fsb of 300 instead. Should fetch you a 2.7ghz OC with less heat from your Northbridge and stock vcore should be plenty.

1- Well, I agree with Pax2All: lower your FSB and set multiplier to 9: there will be a whole benefit on your MB heat production, you'll maybe get some higher frequency and no voltage increase

The reason I actually set my FSB to 350 was to run my ram synchronously at 700 (667 oc-ed to 700). I thought running it synchronously was faster..

Edit: Oh, and remember TAT and Coretemp 0.95 figure e4300 temps based on an assigned tjunction figure of 100c not 85c(CT build 0.94). When figuring temps keep them proportional to the tjunction figures used. 60c load figured with a tjunction max of 85c is roughly equivalent to 71c load (73-75c actual since theres a 3%-5% difference with the real world conversion) figured using a tjunction max value of 100c.

Um.. I'm not too sure I understand this at all! 😳 So does this mean that my max temperature while under full load on TAT can reach up to 70+c?

2- Be sure your vcore is fixed to 1.325v and not set to Auto, as most MB will increase the vcore when you increase FSB.

3- I find your idle temperature really high, TAT load at 66° maybe a bit high for that speed, but some E4300 really run hot. What ambiant temperature are you running? Also control your case temperature that should be Ambiant +/- 3 to 5°C in a really good ventilated case. Some confined cases can reach up to 15°C difference from ambiant, thus a 15°C increase in your CPU temperature. I'll put a digital (or normal) thermometer inside the case, and let it some 15mn on load with TAT. If it's the case, don't look further: ventilate your case

4- If none of the above applies to you: you could fell on one of those really concave chips or with too much compound between the chip and its IHS.

IMPORTANT: Before lapping your CPU, check with a razor blade if it is really concave. No need to lapp it if it isn't.

And really, the most important part: you're running a low overclock at low voltage. TAT is creazy: nothing will ever generate so much heat. Rather use Orthos: 5-7° lower, so you'll be around 58-60°C Orthos. And remember that also no application will produce as much heat as Orthos, you see my idea? You should be really safe if you don't intend to push your E4300 further in speed.

2. I guess that's okay then, since it's at manual currently, and with no additional voltage.

3. My ambient is around 29-30c. My case is a Lian Li A16... and after loading with TAT for some time, temps in the case (measured using a digital multimeter with temperature measurement) is around 31-32c.. I guess that shouldnt be the problem then huh? My exhaust air is also arnd 31-32c as well.

4. Do you think I should try using MX1 TIM? I'm using the TIM bundled with the TR U120 right now.. could that be the problem? I was thinking that if the heatsink was really effective, it should itself be rather hot if the proc is measuring at 67c dont you think? I mean, right now its really cool to the touch even when the proc is running at 67c. Could it be that the heat isnt transferring to the heatsink fast enough?

I guess the logical next step would be to test and see if the surfaces are concaved... and maybe get new TIM...

I'm not really worried that my CPU would exceed its max temp now. I just feel like pushing this proc just a lil further. I was hoping to reach (350*8 ) or even (350*9) though i think the latter is a bit too optimistic.

Thanks alot for your help, guys!
 
Yep, your case looks a good one
MX-1 is one of the best compounds all over, I also use it
I doubt the compound alone can explain that, even if you can get up to 8-10 degrees when correctly reseating the HSF and applying a good compound.

It's normal that the HSF is warm, since the coretemp > Tcase > HSF temp
It shows your HSF is doing a good job

Good luck
 
Yep, your case looks a good one
MX-1 is one of the best compounds all over, I also use it
I doubt the compound alone can explain that, even if you can get up to 8-10 degrees when correctly reseating the HSF and applying a good compound.

It's normal that the HSF is warm, since the coretemp > Tcase > HSF temp
It shows your HSF is doing a good job

Good luck

Ah. But therein lies the problem. my HSF is not hot.
 
Overclocked at 2.6ghz stable, 1160fsb, 9x multi. X 289.8fsb., 1.296v (cpuz)
Mem. : 2gb ddr2 pc2 5300, 266mhz @ 289.8 4-4-4-12 4way bank interleave, 2t command rate.

Cooling: 2 rear 80mm fans, one side 80mm, one front 120mm thermaltake (loud as he##) Stock e4300 Intel heatsink and fan.

Temps: (speedfan) HD0:32C Temp1:30C Core0:23C Core1:22C



I had this set-up stable at 2.8ghz (orthos) but, I didn't like the voltages I had to run it at. Got warmer than I like to see. I had to pad mod to get the voltages. Motherboard is cheap and Actually only rated for 1066fsb. Motherboard is not locked so, that does not help either..... I built a friends the same set-up, he got a better E4300. His was stable at 2.7ghz with no voltage mods and stock cooling. 😛 Got a great pc mark score when I overclocked my nvidia 6500 to 470mhz / 450mhz mem. :)
 
I got a E4300 week 45A with a P5N-E SLI mobo and Corsair XMS2 PC2-5400 RAM.

I can overclock to 2.8GHz no problem without upping the vcore (1.325v) by setting the CPU multi to 8x and FSB to 350. RAM is synced so is running at 700MHz with 4-4-4-12 2T timings.

When I try for 3GHz @ 8x multi with 375 fsb or 333 fsb @ 9x multi I can't seem to get it Orthos stable, even with 1.45 vcore.

Any recommendations?
 
You could try loosening your ram timings lower. That will give you some play sometimes. Also, are your timings locked on your mobo. This may be a topic for another post and there are prob. a lot more experienced overclockers out there. I am new to the scene. You could also up the voltage on the ram a small amount. like .15 to .2 volts. :idea:
 
Hi everyone, I have an E4300 system I am OC-ing now.

I have 1 GB Patriot DDR2 800 RAM that has 5-5-5-15 timing and 1.8V.

I recently bought 2 GB (2 x 1 GB) Crucial Ballistix that runs at 4-4-4-12 @ 2.2V.

In my Gigabyte P965 DS3, I have set up RAM timings to be 5-5-5-15. Increased RAM Voltage to 2.2V.

Is this ok? When I play World of Warcraft, sometimes the system hangs. Does this have anything to do with the RAM?
 
This sounds like the topic for a new post. For what its worth, check out Patriot's website and see if they have a max RAM voltage spec for your memory. I run two different brands of memory (1.8 & 1.9 and I run +.1 in the bios to get 1.9 for both brands) but you are talking about a +.4 overvolt.
 
I just overclocked my e4300:

1200 FSB = 2.7 GHz
Stock Voltage
Patriot Extreme 4.4.4.12 (underclocked to 600 to match 1:1)
Arctic Freezer Pro 7
MX-1 Compound

-TAT: 43c Idle / 65c Load
-Speedfan: 30c Idle / 50c Load
-CoreTemp 0.95 DTS (Delta to TJunction): 57c Idle / 33c Load