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So really, stop these console vs PC threads and let them live in peace :wink:

Hear hear, both have strengths and weaknesses; who cares what someone uses to play a game; you aren't them so why do you care?*

*Not aimed at you, unbiased4u, just at the narrow minded bigots who can't accept that gaming is about the games and not the hardware.
 
Regardless of the rest if you don't see self-built as better than pre-built pre-packaged for the higher end products, then you're not really a good judge of much. If you do indeed build yourself, you would know that wat involved requires more knowledge and preparation than simply choosing drop down boxes, or the prettiest case someone else put the parts in.

As for anyone being able to put together a PC, sure they could put it together like leggo, but like leggo not everyone can make something useful out of their assembly, heck the usually start/reset button wiring would confound most people.

I understand what you're trying to say, but to totally discount that a fully functioning well put together home built as 'a class above' is ignorant IMO.

Of course I see self-built as better than pre-built, I just don't see the "self-builders" as any better than the "pre-builders", if you get what I'm saying.
Just because you happen to know more than somebody else doesn't make you any better. Such is the attitude of ignorance, IMO. Anyone can sit down and learn the in's and out's of computers. I did it, I'm sure you did it ... many of us did. It's a matter of "want." PC building happens to be easier than most would consider it from the outside looking in. They get their eyes focused on all these circuit boards, messy wiring, 'compatibility issues' and the like ... thinking they must recruit a specialist to iron out all the wrinkles. It looks intimidating -- but it's not; it's simple, methodical and accessible. There's nothing truly stopping old granny from taking PC building up as a hobby ...

Like lego, things such as your start/reset wiring are explained in a manual (an instruction book, if you will). There are also online manuals and web resources such as this forum which will guide you through the PC building process down to the very last jumper setting. It's a simple process, there is nothing "elite" about those who have become able to perform it.

That's all.
 
To me this is why consoles shouldnt be allowed to compeat with computer users. I played a console game once the crosshair is close to the body it attaches to that person much like a pc cheat. Not using auto aim isnt a unfair advantage not having the hardware needed to compeat is the fault of the user no noe else. When it comes to league play things suck as hitbox's, textures, files all should be the same on every computer having a excuse of "i use a console i need these things" shouldnt be allowed to fly. Get a keyboard and mouse if you want in leagues with pc users and set servers to not allow such changes. Console seems to be a living room gaming device treat it as such and leave the compatition to the pc's 😉 and the living room party to the console.
 
Aproximatly 75%+ of my kills are headshots. 40%+ of my first shot that hits you is a heatshot. And im by far not the best out there.

What do you play? Im the same way on Xbox playing Halo 2... ditto im not the best. If your talking about PC games then you either take too long to shoot and die before you can shoot them, or you are lieing, or you are being modest and your actually definately one of the top 70% players.



I play counter strike: source. sorry for not specifiyng...lol top 70% yes i do consider miself alot more than top 70%..when im practicing alot i say in the top 25%, but right now im rusty...btw CSS has no auto aim.
 
then again I like consoles because they are cheap and simple

then again PC's are as simple and fast

So they're both simple?
PCs are far from simple. Consoles have built-in OSes, so I don't think PCs will reach the same level of simplicity until then. As for cheap, I can get a cheap XP/P4 system for less than a console NOW, but at lauch consoles are back-end weighted for price, so it's artificial pricing, if Consoles and PCs were direct competitiors in a strict market, consoles would be charged with dumping. Then you go on about free vs cheap for games, when really that's where you pay, the $30 'cheap' console game versus the $10 cheap PC game.

then again I get better controls with consoles

Every console controller works on PC, only some PC controllers work on Consoles. Like I already mentioned, BS point.

then again I can get good local multiplayer with consoles

then again I can get better online play with PC's

Once again PC can do good local multiplayer too, it's not a PC limitation but a user limitation.

then again....

The thing is, I like both. I have a Gamecube and a PC. I love both. I love games for both. I like the controls for both.

And so? Your arguments don't carry much weight though because while I have both, and have played on all and play Xbox pretty much every day, I realize that the limitations of PCs are only in titles, and that's artificial.

Once again for you console knobs, controls can be had for PC of any major system, including the Dreamcast.

I use these on my PC;

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which are Xbox controllers, and I have used PS2 style controllers as well as thunderpads and rumgblepads, because I can.

The sooner consollers realise that PCs can use TVs as displays and Anything as a controller is the sooner the discussion switches to facts and not some built-up BS fiction of the situation.
 
Of course I see self-built as better than pre-built, I just don't see the "self-builders" as any better than the "pre-builders", if you get what I'm saying.

I do, but you're missing the point that while they aren't necessarily better, that they did pre-build shows a lack of ignorance. Whereas pre-builders can be divided into two catagories, those that just don't have the time to do it and prefer being covered by warranty, and those too ignorant to do it (ie the gamers complaining that their DELL with the Intel Extreme can't play Oblivion.

Just because you happen to know more than somebody else doesn't make you any better.

PErhaps not, although knowing about survival tactics makes you a better survivor, and thus better in that situation. In the PC word same thing, better human, no, better tech person probably.

Such is the attitude of ignorance, IMO.

Actually that would be the opposite of ignorance, because they know more. Such is the attitude of Arrogance maybe, but not ignorance.

Anyone can sit down and learn the in's and out's of computers. I did it, I'm sure you did it ... many of us did. It's a matter of "want." PC building happens to be easier than most would consider it from the outside looking in.

Which fits the ignorance model. But also remember I will give more credit/respect to people who started in the manually put my memory chips in my PC era, nt that it was exceptionally difficult, but just like a Linux useer needs to be more savvy than a windows/OSX user, same with pre vs home-built.

Like lego, things such as your start/reset wiring are explained in a manual (an instruction book, if you will).

You can explain it 8 ways from sunday but unless both your MoBo manual and Case manual think the same way those separate wires requires more ability than simply clicking in pre-determined parts with nice sockets, and that's hy I picked those. They are more complex Leggos let's say, but many people who are above average intelligence often mis-wire them because the manuals are so vague in that area. Things have gotten easer with SATA drives versus the old MAster/Slave but it's far from as easy as mashing together leggo.

There are also online manuals and web resources such as this forum which will guide you through the PC building process down to the very last jumper setting.

All handy, except when building your first computer (unless ou brrow one to surf with :wink: )

It's a simple process, there is nothing "elite" about those who have become able to perform it.

It may not be 1337, but it is far more difficult and far more praise/respect worthy than simply going to the store and picking which grey box to choose. And I will easily give a home-builder more cred and leeway than a pre-built person, both on PCs and Consoles, just like I'd give a console moder more cred than someone who runs a Dell desktop.

Just like I give more credit to someone who can change their own oil, filters, brakes, etc. Than I do someone who has never gotten their hands dirty, could they learn, sure they could, and that they don't is a clear sign of the respect of their car and driving in general. That they would know how to do it, and do it well, yet choose not to is a different situation, and IMO matches closer to my situation with laptops.

That you don't equate the two means you're the other end of the spectrum, not giving any credit to home-built and saying that the truely savvy (who may een review hardware) are at the same level as ignorant pre-builts or consllers who couldn't tell you thing one abot their system other than where the on/off is and where the disks go. To me that's ignorant.

I understand your argumet from a humanistic 'everyone is good people' side, but from a tech/enthusiast side, I think you're way off.
 
Hmm...ignorance. I'd call it ignorance to attribute respect based upon credentials, rather than character. You could discover the cure for aids yet still be an ass-hole -- I'd value the discovery, but the person may not deserve respect in one way or another.

Sure, I'll play along. It is common for people to look more "highly" upon those who get down to the nitty-gritty. I change my oil, replace my air filter occasionally and other "easy" auto tasks. I have built many computers and would only consider a pre-built if I were back in the market for a laptop. Still, my original fault with rwarits (or whatever his name is) was that he carried a highfalutin attitude. It seemed to me that he (in his mind) placed people in different categories based upon their PC technical savviness ... which is arrogance. I only meant to point out how stupid an attitiude that was. Being a nuclear physicist (for example) is something to said of, but putting together a PC is no more than assembling a lego space-ship. How ignorant is it to carry pride in that? Arrogant/Ignorant, those two words inter-twine in my wordings here.

Again, when I made the comment concerning the "better person" -- I was referring to something much deeper than specialization in a particular field or situation. Someone who is "better off" is patently different than someone who is simply a "better person."
 
All this talk about computers being as easy as a lego setup is so funny. I wish it was that easy then i wouldnt have to do it for about 10 people i know who have tried many times to try and figure it all out with only a handfull figureing out just enough to get the thing to turn on when they hit power. Some day they will get to that point but considering a mass majority cant even do it even after years of trying i would believe more it isnt there yet.

Actualy if i was going to compare legos with a system it would defanitly be a console i mean you plug it into the wall the tv the controlers and maybe a network and its done. I mean you could buy a prebuilt computer but who truly wants to have crap?
 
But watever the Wii is 'supposed' to be good...

Yeah sure, if you dont mind it looking like you are conducting an orchestra while your gaming :roll:

lol, im looking foward to this orchestra game i saw one for wii...
 
All this talk about computers being as easy as a lego setup is so funny. I wish it was that easy then i wouldnt have to do it for about 10 people i know who have tried many times to try and figure it all out with only a handfull figureing out just enough to get the thing to turn on when they hit power. Some day they will get to that point but considering a mass majority cant even do it even after years of trying i would believe more it isnt there yet.

Actualy if i was going to compare legos with a system it would defanitly be a console i mean you plug it into the wall the tv the controlers and maybe a network and its done. I mean you could buy a prebuilt computer but who truly wants to have crap?

I agree with whoever your replying to somewhat... my first PC build was quite easy, and not nearly as hard as many people made it sound. I also think the person your replying to clarified that its like legos to people that actually try to do these things, not the people that are totally shocked when they see a PC. I guess certain types of people find it easy, just like some people find legos easy.

Small beans meh.
 
I dissagree with the fact that you guys think that consols are just for noobs. And that PC's are for "true people". Seriously, why is it that basically all pc gamers act like pricks on these forums. That may change once I get my artic silver 5... its the last piece i need for my conroe system, but still. You guys need to lay off. 8O

No not noob's just simple minded people, that for the most part live aimless lives as players rarely holding positions of significance to society. Us computer gamer are more likely to be those who make a difference. 😀

I really get tired of this argument over who is better console people or pc people. Now I myself fall in the pc catergory since the last console I owned was the N64 although my pc is about 5 or 6 years old as it stands now. But the main thing is consoles and pc are fundamentally different. If you want a box to only play games thena console is probally your best bet, but if you want a box that you can play games and surf the web etc then the pc is the way to go. Frankly the vast majority of people have pc's and consoles. Your choice of gaming rig bears little correlation to who you are only to the size of your wallet since a gaming pc to play current games at decent res is going to cost you more than any console by far. And I wouldn't be supised if there are some console player out there who could whip a pc gamer at some games (multiplayer online) that are on both systems although the pc does have the superior control scheme.

Edit: Rock on my 100th post I'm official now. 8)
 
Hmm...ignorance. I'd call it ignorance to attribute respect based upon credentials, rather than character. You could discover the cure for aids yet still be an ass-hole -- I'd value the discovery, but the person may not deserve respect in one way or another.

Who said it was based on 'credentials'? But respect is earned for acts, and the act of building a PC earns respect in a hardware forum. Never having done that puts you at a dissadvantage for understanding the entire process. And when talking about hardware it's not a 'character issue' Mother Theresa wouldn't have been a respectable source of information on technology trends, and by the same extension being an a$$hole has nothing to do with either aspect. A$$holes build PCs, a$$holes buy pre-builts, respect as a PC enthusiast source is different than respect as a person. Do I respect Stephen Hawking as a model of morality? NO! Do I respect him and admire him for his command of physics and related mathematical sciences? Sure! But neither are related.

I agree with most of the rest of what you say, the thing to remember is that this thread involved some pretty far off generalities before that point and alot of people will reply to hyperbole with more hyperbole, so it's to be expected somewhat I think.

But it's not really about the 'better person' it's about the more credable argument about what's easier and if there is to be any valuation given, then definitely like I said I'd give it to the person who gets their hands dirty be it a console moder or DIY pc builder. It doesn't mean I want them to housesit or anything, it's just for specifically tech related stuff, I'd rather have Mother Theresa watch the house, although I'd be worried I'd come back and it'd be an orphanage or soup kitchen, so maybe get Stephen to watch the house. :twisted:
 
What I meant by the PC being just as simple as a console was that anyone could go to Dell.com and buy their own gaming computer. And computer are cheaper, but a $465 computer from Cyberpower isn't too good gaming either.

I realize that you can use console controllers on PCs, and you are right, it is a BS point. I was just using other people's previous arguments into a long list to get to my final point. Those lines may or may not be my actual opinion.

I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. My bad :lol:
 
I'm real late I know but just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

Did you buy your current car or did you build it? I'm assuming you went to a car dealer and bought it. Such a simple person you are :lol:
I see what your getting at but the car thing can be turned around as well. Some of you consollers do actually admit that the PC is superior but more expensive. Basically, you get what you pay for. You can have a Toyota Corrolla (360 or PS3) for cheap or shell out the extra Cash and buy a BMW M3 (High end PC that's better than the consoles) and pwn'em!!!!!!!!

I'm not going to say one is a better performer than the other cause that's just retarded, we all know the answer anyway. Let's say they are equal in performance, you still have way more that you can do on the pc.

Heck, we wouldn't even be on this forum if it wasn't for PC's.
 
You can have a Toyota Corrolla (360 or PS3) for cheap or shell out the extra Cash and buy a BMW M3 (High end PC that's better than the consoles) and pwn'em!!!!!!!!

Of course your BMW will probably break down before the Toyota, but then again you had more fun driving it and drove it to the limit.
 
I'm sorry ill say this only because its a car refference. When you have money you dont buy POS cars like toyotas and hondas and dont care about a car that actualy has power breaking down because you have hte money to fix it. Not that ima fan of BMW either but japanese cars are total crap.
 
I'm sorry ill say this only because its a car refference. When you have money you dont buy POS cars like toyotas and hondas and dont care about a car that actualy has power breaking down because you have hte money to fix it. Not that ima fan of BMW either but japanese cars are total crap.

So you buy crudely built American (98% of them anyway) shite instead. Let me guess, you drive a pick-up with a gun rack on the back? The simple spelling errors in your post would indicate that that's about your level of intelligence.

But respect is earned for acts, and the act of building a PC earns respect in a hardware forum.

Only for people who haven't done it before, then when they build one they find out that it's actually really easy. Building a PC today is up there with such lofty achievements like:

- Tying your shoelaces and,
- Not swallowing your tounge.

Building a 486 based PC, now THERE's a challenge.
 
As much as i see it ill never get over the ammount of ignorance people exibit. My spelling as bad as it is does not reprasent my IQ ffs find a new insult people. Most japanese cars are made with small under powered engines which all of us should know the more power you put into a smaller engine the faster it will burn its self out. Anyways its irrelavent buy a pos japanese car if you want doesnt matter to me. Next time i write a artical for a newspaper ill try and use more proper grammor for you k? The southern refference was colorfull but like i said before ignorant much as your classification that southerners are idiots. Btw anyone who knows how to take care of a car can make it last long after the point in which it would have been resold. Personaly i dont use a car for more then 75k to 100k miles which any car made in the past 10 years can do easly.