PS3 VS HIGH END PC

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why do these idiots post up, then again im probably just as stupid. lets get one thing straight a cpu CANNOT PROCESS GRAPHICS or at least not as well as a gpu. that is why the ps3 as well as the 360 has a dedicated gpu. now who makes these i wonder? oh wait its ati and nvidia last time i checked. the same companies that make the pc parts. what, do you think sony makes the parts for it's ps3's?. the cpu is basically ibm's brainchild and only the powerpc based part is worth anything and without it, the processor wont run damn all.

now i cant link you to the article which i read this stuff on but if you google you should find something similar. oh and btw where is your evidence of this superior tech? i and the rest of us would love to hear it.



For one the cell processor is a "normal" G5 which controlls 7 programmable, vectorizing (SMID), super scalar floating point units called Synergistic Processing Elements (SPEs) equipped with 256kb on-die RAM (yes ram not cache) each.

And these babies can do stuff i assure you. While a modern desktop processor can calculate at around 20GFLOPs, the cell can do 200GFLOPs. And this is not to be joked around.

You say CPUs are not for graphics. For that you need GPU. Yes and the reason for this is that graphics need immense amount of FLOATING POINT data to be computed at the same time.
GPUs deal with it by the means of being composed of many simple floating point units that can eat the data at the same time. These units are called shaders in the GPU world.

You see a resemblance between a GPU and cell? This extra power truly helps generating graphics.
 
PS3 might be faster than most high end computers when it comes out. It should be, otherwise no one is going to buy it. But its not comparable to a computer other than gaming. There's a reason why pc's are expensive, it can do pretty much everything and PS3 can only play games and online thing. But by the end of this year pc would be twice as fast than todays high performance pc. But I'm buying the PS3 when it launches even though I only play couple of games on it.


PS3 is very much a PC. Sony made it open so you can install any software you want on it. It has USB (4 ports), network, bluetooth and flash card connectivity.
Dont dream microsoft will ever make anything to run on it but its not a waste at all.
Almost from the release date there have been PS3s running linux.

The main purpose of doing so would be
1) having a small quiet and super powerful PC
2) hacking on the cell architecture playing with multi core programming
3) since it has 2 TFLOPs of computing capability (GPU included) it can be used for some really serious nuber crunching (e.g. in science).

And its for the price of a modest PC.

Of course this is for hackers, enthusiasts and curious people, not ordinary players. But hay - isnt this forums filled with maniacs spending thousands each month to have the "best" hardware to date? Isnt that enthusiasm?
 
wtf is with you people saying two years to catch up or a few months. there s no evidence to support the view that it is even ahead. until it comes out and a game that is coded exactly the same is played on the exact same monitor at the same detail levels can we even begin to compare the two. by compare i mean not just fps rates but how it looks as well. that will be the litmus test and until then we should stop speculating

The litmus test? You mean the paper used to test a liquid's pH??? How does that help determine which is better? 😛
 
wtf is with you people saying two years to catch up or a few months. there s no evidence to support the view that it is even ahead. until it comes out and a game that is coded exactly the same is played on the exact same monitor at the same detail levels can we even begin to compare the two. by compare i mean not just fps rates but how it looks as well. that will be the litmus test and until then we should stop speculating

The litmus test? You mean the paper used to test a liquid's pH??? How does that help determine which is better? 😛Hey, if it will put an end to this pathetic subject (not just this thread) then lets bloody well do it!!!!! :twisted:
 
You wasted your money.

That is what I was hinting at 8) (props to rob for pointing it out).

7300LE is not equal to good price/performance one card at the same expense could match/destroy it (not to mention the extra money you paid for a mobo with SLi) and your system would overall be quieter/cooler. Oh yeah and you arent getting twice the performance with two cards you are more likely getting +70-80% more performance that will ultimately be wasted by bottlenecking by the CPU (unless you are for some reason you have a powerful CPU/Lame Edition cards or an ungodly high native resolution >1600 x 1200)
 
Why are we even comparing ps3 and pcs everyone knows in five years time when your $600 8800gtx is in the thrash

Yeah my 8800GTX will be in the thrash and something EXPONENTIALLY more powerful will be in it's place working hard at destroying your argument.
 
Why are we even comparing ps3 and pcs everyone knows in five years time when your $600 8800gtx is in the thrash that the little old ps3 will be churning out quake 7 and call of duty 6 with very good visuals while your 8800gtx which is 3x more powerful wont run those games at all you might get 8fps if your lucky.

Everyone knows game developers dont utilise the full power of pc graphics cards theY build an engine and just throw it out there and let nvidia and ati worry about the performace while the developers push every last once out of console hardware it really is a disgrace how a 5 year old ps2 can play new games perfectly while we need a 3ghz 7600gt rig just to get it running anyway dont underestimate the power of the playstation developers

Ummm... wow.

By your own arguement, if a game comes out in 5 years that a 8800GTX cannot run, what makes you think your PS3 (Which is graphically weaker) could run it in it's full glory? It they ported it to PS3, it would be like those crappy ports of Command & Conquer Red Alert they made for PS1. Yeah, you can play it, but you ain't playing the same game that is on the PC.

You want to talk about longetivity of hardware? Just read the recent Tom's HW article on gaming with an older CPU and newer video card. They had a 5 year old 9700 pro that could still run some of todays games! Not in there full glory, but PLAYABLE. In 5 years, could you throw a Playstation 4 game into your PS3 and run it? Nope. Can you throw a PS3 game into your PS2 and run it? Nope.

Can I throw my copy of Battle For Middle Earth II DVD into my spare computer running an old Athlon 2100+ (1.8GHz) w/ a Radeon 9600XT and play it? Why yes... yes I can.
 
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Why are we even comparing ps3 and pcs everyone knows in five years time when your $600 8800gtx is in the thrash that the little old ps3 will be churning out quake 7 and call of duty 6 with very good visuals while your 8800gtx which is 3x more powerful wont run those games at all you might get 8fps if your lucky.

Everyone knows game developers dont utilise the full power of pc graphics cards theY build an engine and just throw it out there and let nvidia and ati worry about the performace while the developers push every last once out of console hardware it really is a disgrace how a 5 year old ps2 can play new games perfectly while we need a 3ghz 7600gt rig just to get it running anyway dont underestimate the power of the playstation developers

His argument is just plain idiotic. He states an 8800GTX is 3x as powerful and somehow this makes it so it won't run games? WTF!

"Everyone knows game developers dont utilise the full power of pc graphics cards"

And pray tell why not, what is stopping them? links? that's what I thought :lol: :roll:
 
If you can upgrade your PC every 2 years, it will be better than consoles (if we dont count exclusive games). But there are consoles advantages as well.

1. Exclusive games. There will be less of those than previously, but still its important factor. And to keep console and high-end PC is costly, not everyone can allow that.

2. Games are fine tuned for consoles, while it cant be done for PC since they have to satisfy much much wider gear requirements. This allows consoles to be played smoothly for as long as games are released for them.

3. Consoles life cycle is ~5 years. You would have to change/upgrade high-end PC 2 times at least in this period. Each PC will cost more than console itself.

4. They are compact, high-end PC usualy takes a lot of space (I ordered myself Titan 550 case to fit 8800GTX nicely :wink:)

In conclusion - if you arent rich, have favourite games exlusively on some console, they are the way to go.

If you do have enough money to upgrade/replace high-end PC every few years and prefer wide variety of games, go for it. You'll get better games graphics quality, also more universal PC.
 
FAQin' IDJITS! THIS HAS BEEN COVERED ALREADY IN THE THREAD!

1. Exclusive games. There will be less of those than previously, but still its important factor. And to keep console and high-end PC is costly, not everyone can allow that.

There is also exclusive PC games and content (especially as add-ons or mods) so that argument goes boths ways.
Also as was mentioned if you have a plain Radeon 9700 with an XP rig with an XP2200+ with 512MB or RAM (which is the Xbox/Gamecube generation hardware) you'd still be able to play the latest release on low, with the console you won't play the latest games because they are not backwards capatible, only the consoles are. Of course they still release content for the Original Xbox, PS2 (and even PS ONE), and GameCube, but most new titles are new consoles only. The R9700 will be playable with only mild investment (like the cost of a game) until truely DX10 games come out. The only game the R9700+XP2200+ can't play is SplinterCell because UBi is playing favourites in the PC market.

2. Games are fine tuned for consoles, while it cant be done for PC since they have to satisfy much much wider gear requirements. This allows consoles to be played smoothly for as long as games are released for them.

Not all games are fine tuned for consoles, many like Quake4 and Oblivion are PC ports, and really started out glitchy and still play nowhere near like PCs for fluidity and stability.

3. Consoles life cycle is ~5 years. You would have to change/upgrade high-end PC 2 times at least in this period. Each PC will cost more than console itself.

Actually like already mentioned the 5 year old R9700 still plays, so it had just as long a life cycle, and the GF3/4 (nonMX) would have a similar life cycle with BF2 & Oblivion being their first choke points (unless you consider the hacks that make the games playable for them too, can't hack X360/PS3 support into a Xbox/PS2).

4. They are compact, high-end PC usualy takes a lot of space (I ordered myself Titan 550 case to fit 8800GTX nicely :wink:)

A Shuttle PC is smaller than a console, and gaming laptops kick consoles for size, heck they even include their own HD monitors. The Wii is the only viable challenger, and a 12 inch laptop is smaller on it's own.

In conclusion - if you arent rich,

Then what are you doing buying a PS3!?! They're expensive, whereas a FreePC from your internet provider plus adding a graphics card is far cheaper. Once you factor in the same marketing practices, PCs are just as cheap, even for a gaming PC. Heck for all the tools going on price alone a free PC gaming at 1FPS > Console for you guys who can't seem to understand quality gaming. So throw that argument out, if you need food stamps to buy your console, you can't afford the games either then.

have favourite games exlusively on some console, they are the way to go.

Like I mentioned multiple times, the only issue is exclusive content, and that's more the console market trying to lock you in than a 'benefit', just like Aplle they know if they unleashed that exclusive content, no one would buy their hardware.

Considering most people only look at this from one side this 'debate' is more like fanboi rants. Both have good an bad aspects, and the ony possible consideration IMO other than the jruy-rigged exclusive content, is the ease of use for people who need appliances, not gaming rigs. If you game like Apple users use 'PCs' then get a console. Otherwise get both and STFU! Poor people don't deserves games, go out and get a job! :twisted:

Like I said, This thread neeeds to DIE!
 
If you game like Apple users use 'PCs' then get a console. Otherwise get both and STFU! Poor people don't deserves games, go out and get a job! :twisted:

Like I said, This thread neeeds to DIE!

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Actually oblivion ain't playable on this p4 2.6ghz, 512 ram, fx5600 256mb,really,

but then again theres blizzard , with world of warcraft with 8 million people,

and other titles like star craft ,

Game titles that use more power i can just forget it, ;-) well, hmm another letter :-D?
 
Actually oblivion ain't playable on this p4 2.6ghz, 512 ram, fx5600 256mb,really,

That's the fault of the crappy FX. Oblivion doesn't play on the FX series without adding Bethesda 'Very Low Quality' patch;
http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/updates_patchnotes6.htm

"New Very Low Quality graphic setting available under Launcher options with improved support for low end FX cards (5700 and lower). To use this setting, go to the Launcher, select Options and click Reset to Defaults to allow the auto detect to check your system."

but at least it's an option, although it's still a fault of the FX (my old R9600P would play Oblivion better than an FX5900U which really needs that patch too). Can't patch or hack the old Xbox to play Oblivion.
 
hey mr. ape hows it been goin?

you need to come to okla. ypu can ski on the streets :lol:

we have a pretty heavy ice storm hammering us now.
and it is expected to last a couple of days. 8O
 
After reading this thread I am convinced that 360s, PS3s and PCs are the best and that 360s, PS3s, and PCs all suck. I am also conviced that the aformentioned gaming systems are both already obsolete and are future proof.

Edit: Yeah! First post on the 19th page.
 
This is getting ridiculous, 19 pages on an inane and stupid topic.

Ok, no one has tried killing the thread with childish name calling.

"The next person that posts on this thread is gay"
 
After reading this thread I am convinced that 360s, PS3s and PCs are the best and that 360s, PS3s, and PCs all suck. I am also conviced that the aformentioned gaming systems are both already obsolete and are future proof.

Edit: Yeah! First post on the 19th page.

Wii wins :mrgreen:
 
The Wii cannot win, there are no good RTS games for it, it dosn't have 8 psuedo cores, it doesn't have unified shaders, and it cannot be run in SLI. It may be fun to some people, but it certainly isn't the best, thus it doesn't win.
 
:evil: Oh yeah... well, PS1's core @ 33 blazing MHz 0wnZ Y3R B0nZ3
Along with the ATI Rage Fury I pwn n00bs in CSS with.

Honestly though, I agree. Middle of the road for me; X360 if I bought a console.
 
This is now January 2007 from the future.
Yes, the PS3 is out now and the high-end PCs of 2007 blow the doors off the PS3. Just the 8800 GTX (8 series with 128 unified shaders) video card can process data twice as fast as all the PS3 chips combined.
I hope people get wiser as PCs advance.
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