PSU tier list 2.0

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Personally, I don't place much value on the "length" of the warranty, except on units with 10 year warranties. Anybody can give you a long warranty. Even Raidmax, who arguably make some of the worst power supplies you could ever buy, offers a two year, or possibly longer depending on the model. The problem is that it's worth it for them to take the risk because they know the majority of users will either write it off since they don't want to wait or deal with the process, or that the chances are good they can avoid replacement because they can claim the failure was due to something the user did that invalidated it in many cases, like using it with a gaming card if it wasn't rated for it. So as an argument of quality, I don't think warranty alone provides credibility to any manufacturer.

As far as the Raider goes, it's true FSP has some good units. Impressive in fact, in a few cases. But I don't think the Raider could ever be lumped into any "impressive" categories, unless it was for impressively ordinary. I don't think I've ever said the Raider series, specifically, would burn down your house or ruin your motherboard. What I said was:

A Tier 4 unit can have great efficiency, and still be dead a week later or burn your house down. A Tier 1 or 2 unit could fail to even have an 80plus rating, and still be in use ten years later.

I didn't specifically mention the unit by name nor make any indication that the Raider was among the units that were LIKELY to do that. Simply that units listed on the 4th Tier have in the past been offenders of such circumstances, in enough cases to warrant mentioning. Overall, judging by the general review consensus, the units aren't terrible as judged by the common ATX standards, but ARE terrible when judged by the enthusiast standards we've come to accept as used by JonnyGuru and a few other sites.

I know the 650w model got decent reviews from HS but the FSP built 750w Raider got a 7.8 from JonnyGuru which is more than enough in my mind to absolutely recommend not using them with any system running ANY kind of aftermarket gaming card, or for overclocking, and certainly not for both. SFAIK the 650w is the same platform so the review applies.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=310


As far as why it's on Tier 4, you'd have to ask Dottorent, as it's his list, not mine. But I'd probably agree with him that it's not a unit I'd recommend when there are FAR better units to be had in the same price range. As for it burning down your house, probably not, but then again, you never know. FSP has been known to NOT be consistent in their build quality at times, so even if a reviewed unit has done ok, as with the HS review of the 650w Raider, it doesn't necessarily mean that wasn't a handpicked unit, or that all the purchased consumer units will be of similar quality. Doesn't mean they won't either.
 
Thanks for the list! Why is it that so many of the PSUs you listed as tier 1 or 2 are so unpopular, while the tier 3s are the most popular?
 
Because GOOD costs more money, while OK is cheap. Most people want cheap, not good. You rarely see GOOD and CHEAP in the same product in this world. Cheap meaning budget quality or less expensive. If you want something good, you have to pay more to get it. The thing is, it's actually CHEAPER to buy something good because you're not as likely to have to replace it again anytime soon and if it does fail, it probably has a great warranty to go with it and the manufacturer probably won't quibble about honoring the warranty, unlike cheap or budget brands that try to find every way possible not to have to replace their POS.
 


Actually, the ones I was talking about are the same price, sometimes less.
 
In those cases, as with some of the Thermaltake, Corsair and Cooler Master units, they are more expensive while being lower quality, because those companies are riding on their well known names and they know they can get away with it with enough users that don't know any better and will trust them, that it won't matter about the rest of the users who do know better.

And their units that ARE listed on higher tiers are generally more expensive than other models on the tier sold by competing brands.

If it's on Tier 3, 4 or 5, it's there for a reason. IF it's on Tier 1 or 2, it's because it belongs there.

IF you buy a Tier 3 unit, you MIGHT get a unit that does it's job and lasts a little while. If you buy a Tier 1 or 2 unit, you stand a much higher probability of getting a unit that is going to be both reliable and dependable over the long term as well as actually being able to sustain it's rated capacity. IF you buy a tier 4 or 5 unit, that's just dumb and it's probably your own fault when it burns up or takes some other hardware out with it. Not meaning YOU, just whoever.
 
Well, Jonnyguru released their review of Enermax's Digifanless 500W unit here Tier 1 performance and build quality, especially coming out from CWT.

 


It's a fanless PSU with the screw mounts aligned to face it upside down. Duratech and Enesol caps used on the secondary.


Also, the MSRP is $225. There is no way that's a Tier 1 PSU. You would also never buy it, as there are better PSUs with higher capacity for less money. And by less, I mean half the price.
 


my thoughts to this question and the first answer give are that as I found out the other day both currys and maplin have xfx's or coolermaster tier 1 models on there website but when I went to purchase them the only thing they have "on the shelf" are corsair in both stores, maplin also stock a budget psu.
my local pc store only stocks CIT brand so its a case of waiting or getting online, as the regular joe blogs would grab one from the store if he were in need and most pre builds have budget psu's in them they are therefore more popular
 
Our experiences of Maplin differ greatly. My local one stocks only Corsair PSUs and then only upwards of 650 Watts. There's no sign of anything "ordinary" for the sort of run of the mill machines many folks have. They stock six cases - all black, two feet tall or more and costing £60 GBP. They also no longer stock a plain and simple DVD/RW drive, forcing me to Currys, against my principles and better judgement but because I had a customer in a rush.

To me, Maplins have gone downhill. Maybe it's because the Currys/PC World group pulled their PCW store off the same business park where Maplins lives.
 
I stopped buying from local retail outlets for PC parts years ago. Their selection is always garbage, and the prices are always just meh. It's also much easier to read reviews, and get WAY more detailed info about a product online anyways.

I also live only about an hour away from a Newegg warehouse, so free shipping is like 2 day shipping for me.
 


Maplin does sell XFX units, in some select stores. They do stock the new RM 2015 series, so at least there's some hope. It's where I got mine from.
 
The xfx is a order in only as that what I did, as I say both stores only stock corsair on the shelf I'm not aware of any wattage details as I specifically went in for the xfx xtr750 as I had a really bad none branded 750! The only reason I bought in shop rather than ebuyer was due to it being a cash only sale or I could have saved £10.
Ordered Sunday night came in first thing this am so not too bad but yes no selection of goods in store
 
be quiet! Dark Power Pro 11 850W Platinum review is up on Tom's. $200 is priced mighty high. Nippon Chemi-con, Rubycon, and Chemi-Con caps, good 12v regulation, failed holdup time by 0.2ms, missed -hot box- platinum at 20% and 50% (89.62 vs 90, 91.72 vs 92).
 
Hello, I'm having some trouble with my gig as the following topic presents, if anyone could lend a hand I'll be very gratefull:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2642742/problem-gigabyte-270-freezes-stop-working-gaming.html#15853400

About PSU's, researching for my issue I've found that Thermaltake 650W Smart Series 80+ Bronze does have a Japanese Capacitor, at least the primary one, as specified here: http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001976 and in some other reviews:

[750W version]
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5613/thermaltake-smart-750-watt-80-plus-bronze-power-supply-review/index5.html

In this review they praise it's good cost x benefit and recommend this PSU. Now, about it's durability I'm not so sure, and that's what's bugging me about my problem.
 
I wouldn't put any weight behind a Tweaktown PSU review. They don't review extensively. I could probably do just as good of a review without any testing equipment and my review wouldn't be worth two cents either.

Plus, that review is on the 750w, which may not be the same builder or internals. And, right off the bat, even on that review, they clearly indicate:

The Thermaltake SMART 750W is lacking quite a bit when it comes to the passive cooling inside the unit.

And also indicate there is only one SINGLE Chemi-Con cap which is on the primary side of the power supply. That's great that it has one good cap, but one good cap a quality PSU does not make. The secondary side is all Chinese made CapXcon caps.

The Yate Loon rebrand fan doesn't bode well for it either. Yate Loon fans are ok for their price, but nobody would ever say they were high quality. There is a reason this is a Tier 4 unit, and the indicators I just mentioned are only part of the reason. You can get a much better unit in a similar price range.



 
Is the EVGA 600B 80+ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00EN3FD20/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=30IL4Y9TQDDNU&coliid=IES33JP7NY03M) suitable for a single GTX 970 and i7 2600?
 


Wish I had remembered this thread before rushing into buying Corsair CX750. ruined my friggin week for sure haha.

 
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