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Ok, I have an AGP version 1.0 on my motherboard. I am using an original GeForce 256 graphics card which is an AGP 2x card. Of course I am wanting to upgrade my graphics card. Will my AGP slot run a graphics card that is 4x or 8x (version 2.0)? Or am I just screwed and need to get a new motherboard? Also, does having 100 mHz SDRAM cause any problems with trying to run the newer graphics cards?

Thanks

Novus
 
1) what is your motherboard,processor, and how many watts is ur PSU rated at (what kind)? Most graphics cards will probably run on your machine if there is enough power although you will be wasting features etc.


2) your SDRam is not related to the GPU or its memory.

The loving are the daring!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Flinx on 08/08/03 10:14 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Is AGP 1.0 2x? I forget, but anyway I believe that some new graphics cards will run in your setup. The Geforce 4 Ti if i remember correctly will also support AGP 2x. Dont hold me to that though, just look at the cards specifications and see if you see anything about it on there.

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you will probably need a new mobo, if you bought both those parts around the same time i am sure they are both outdated. Also, make sure the board is compatible with your ram; i am pretty sure ddr sdram boards can run sdram, just make sure you dont get a (rare) rdram mobo.
Unless you can find an old board, you will probably need a new proc too, what are you running right now, and are you willing to upgrade it?
Btw gf4 ti cards can run at lower agp settings, i have a ti4600
 
The following cards are AGP 1.0/2.0 or AGP 1.0/2.0/3.0 compliant, meaning they will work with your board:

1.) All ATI 9500, 9700, 9800 series cards, plus earlier models (8500, 9100, 7500, etc.)
2.) All nVidia GeForce 4, Geforce 3, and GeForce2 cards.

I'm not sure about the FX series, and I've heard the 9600 isn't AGP 1.0 compliant either.

So you have a lot of options.



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Ok.. thanks for the info. I have a Pentium 3 processor at 600 mHz. I dont think I can upgrade that to a P4 with my current mobo. Maybe I could get a faster P3. My power supply is only 200W. I have a Dell so I cant upgrade my powersupply without upgrading my mobo too.

How important is the power supply? Is it just a matter of it working or not working? Right now I am thinking of getting an ATI 8500, does anyone know the psu needed for this card? I think now it is my power supply that may limit my options now. Thanks so much for the help.

Novus
 
What chipset do you have? Your board should support up to a Celeron 1400 using an adapter, or a faster PIII. You can find chipset info under Device Manager>System Devices. It should be either a 440BX/443BX, 810/810E, or 815/815E/815EP.

Your 200W power supply should be roughly the equivalent of a 250W retail power supply, and SHOULD support the 8500 and a faster CPU, but you can't be 100% certain unless you try.

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With a motherboard that old, and with only an AGP 2x slot, it isn't worth replacing the graphics card unless you replace the motherboard and processor as well.

The AGP bandwidth would be so pathetic, you wouldn't see a huge improvement.

If you got a AGP 8x mobo (some only cost about £50 - £60, but a really good one is around £100)and a OK Chip (Athlon XP)and then a AGP8x card of your choice, then you would have justified the upgrade.



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I'm not sure about ALL FX Mfrs, but the ASUS FXs all have support for 8x/4x/2x (doesn't mention voltages, but I assume that makes it a universal card for all but straight AGP [thus universal 1.5 AGP 3.0]). The R9600P is only 4x and 8x like you said.
The standard is very screwy since there is Universal AGP 3.0 (3.3v, 1.5v, 0.8v [1/2/4/8]); Universal 1.5v AGP 3.0 (1.5v, 0.8v [2/4/8]); and the AGP 3.0 (0.8v [4/8]).



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Ok, thanks for the info. I am on limited budget (I am a student again) so I cant justify spending a lot of money to upgrade my system just so I can play more games (and of course keep from studying... hehe). Two last questions:

1) Power supply: if my power supply is not strong enough will the card just not work? Or will it cause any damage to other parts of my system?

2) I have narrowed my choice of cards down to either an ATI Radeon 8500 or a GeForce 3 Ti 200... anyone have a preference or are they both about the same?

By the way, my chipset is the 440BX.

Thanks again,

Novus

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by novus1517 on 08/09/03 12:00 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
1) Power supply: if my power supply is not strong enough will the card just not work? Or will it cause any damage to other parts of my system?
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If your card doesn't work, your system doesn't work, seeing as how your card is responsible for the display. Can't see = Can't use. Anyway, that power supply should work with either of the cards you mentioned.

These days, no matter what company you like, be it <b>nVidia, ATi, or whatever,</b> no matter how logical your reasons, you're labeled an <b>idiot</b> or a <b>fanboy</b>, or <b>both.</b>
 
Actually you would be wrong. Anything up to around the Ti4200 will work fine in 2x mode, only loosing a small amount of performance, and still worthwhile for upgrades.

Look at the GeForce2 series as an example, a GTS (the high end card of it's day) would perform better on a BX chipset (AGP2x) than the i815E, i820, or Apollo Pro 133, all AGP4x.

The MX440 is based on the GeForce2 GTS. It's a very slow ramp to get to a card where AGP4x makes a large difference. And AGP8x is useless ATM.

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Those are both nice cards, and the 440BX is probably the most stable, compatable chipset ever made.

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Like Crash said, both of those cards should be good and SHOULD be ok with your PSU, they both perform about on par (depending on the game).

The worst thing that can happen with the PSU is that it burns-out, catches on fire, destroys your computer, starts the desk on fire and then burns down your house/apt.; however that's not likely to happen even if it were underpowered. :wink:


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Man, yall are great. This has got to be the most helpful website/community that I have found. I appreciate all of the info. I think I am going to stick with Invidia for the time being... even if it makes me a "fanboy"... hehe. (I appreciate the humour there and how it applies to so many situations like this). I will let you all know how it goes.

Thanks again,

Novus
 
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