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1) Has anyone ever managed to complete the quest to kill Hotzenplotz
with a 10th level character or is it, like the Pyramid, something you
should wait a while before attempting?

2) How many rat/giant rat corpses does it usually take to tame a cave
lion/wild cat?

3) How common are Scrolls Of Balance?

4) Are herb seeds useful for anything if I don't have Gardening?
 
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> 1) Has anyone ever managed to complete the quest to
> kill Hot­zenplotz with a 10th level character or is it, like
> the Pyramid, some­thing you should wait a while before > attempting?


Depends on your class and equipment. It's entirely possible to kill
Hotzenplotz and friends at level one as a spellcaster (indeed, doing so
was part of my starting out process for wizards before learning the
disadvantages of leveling so quickly). I imagine archers would be the
same. Melee-orientated classes are much better to hold off, having lost
two promising level 10s to trying to take him. The man himself is quite
fearsome for a low level character in melee. Now if you have some nice
wands, though...

All I could tell you :)
 
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Thalidomide Velociraptor wrote:

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> 1) Has anyone ever managed to complete the quest to kill Hotzenplotz
> with a 10th level character or is it, like the Pyramid, something you
> should wait a while before attempting?

Depends a LOT on the character - you can even do it before level 10,
without having been assigned the quest, and still get the reward. A
decent ranged attack, either spells or missiles, is required. Both the
crime lord and his bouncers hit hard in melee, and the crime lord has
a nasty poison attack too.

> 4) Are herb seeds useful for anything if I don't have Gardening?

You can eat them if you are desperate, sell them in shops for money,
and IIRC they can be given to farmers for a lawful boost.
 
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Thalidomide Velociraptor <autism101@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:


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> 2) How many rat/giant rat corpses does it usually take to tame a cave
> lion/wild cat?
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Don't know, I tried it once or twice, but I never had the needed
quantities of rats to tame more than one cat (I don't like being
burdened). Just lock cats in a room, be faster than them or use
ventriloquism to confuse them.

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> 3) How common are Scrolls Of Balance?
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0.08681% of the items generated on danger level one will be a scroll of
balance. Quite few. Just in comparison that's half as often as a scroll of
light or a quarter as often as a broadsword. Note that the creation
probability decreases when the danger level increases (going down a
dungeon).

--
"There's nothing wrong with teenagers that reasoning with them won't
aggravate."
 
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> 1) Has anyone ever managed to complete the quest to kill Hotzenplotz
> with a 10th level character or is it, like the Pyramid, something you
> should wait a while before attempting?

You can manage on level one with a spellcaster.

> 2) How many rat/giant rat corpses does it usually take to tame a cave
> lion/wild cat?

Wild cats: Very few. Cave lion: not sure if it's possible at all.

> 3) How common are Scrolls Of Balance?

Pretty uncommon.

> 4) Are herb seeds useful for anything if I don't have Gardening?

Not really. Of course you can eat, sell or sac them etc.

Malte
 
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This is Thalidomide Velociraptor for forever:
> 1) Has anyone ever managed to complete the quest to kill Hotzenplotz
> with a 10th level character or is it, like the Pyramid, something you
> should wait a while before attempting?

Spoilers.

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I have, with elementalists (3 or 4 zaps of Frost Bolt, and he is dead).
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> 1) Has anyone ever managed to complete the quest to kill Hotzenplotz
> with a 10th level character or is it, like the Pyramid, something you
> should wait a while before attempting?

No, with a level 6-7 wizard it is quite easy.


> 2) How many rat/giant rat corpses does it usually take to tame a cave
> lion/wild cat?

One for cats, i don't know for lions...

> 4) Are herb seeds useful for anything if I don't have Gardening?

eat them 😉
 
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Thalidomide Velociraptor <autism101@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 1) Has anyone ever managed to complete the quest to kill Hotzenplotz
> with a 10th level character or is it, like the Pyramid, something you
> should wait a while before attempting?
Me. Multiple times with wizards and a Magic Missile spell,
and recently with an archer. However all the wizards had willpower
trained with herbs to at least 25, and the archer had a single
arrow of slaying, which he had to use to finish the job. Generally
I would advise to wait a while, like with the Pyramid.

> 2) How many rat/giant rat corpses does it usually take to tame a cave
> lion/wild cat?
one or two if they are not cursed. More if the animal is experienced.
Monsters in cavernous levels, vaults and tensions rooms generally are
more experienced then usual. You most probably can't tame anything in
the arena.

> 3) How common are Scrolls Of Balance?
Not very. :)

> 4) Are herb seeds useful for anything if I don't have Gardening?
Sell them, eat them, give them to farmers, or kill wildcats by throwing
herb seeds at them[1]. They are not of a much use even if you have
Gardening. I used them once or twice in my entire adom carrier. They
are just too rare. With low Gardening you waste them. And you can't
train Gardening because there are not enough seeds available.

brojek.

[1] http://tinyurl.com/6w339
 
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bork bork bork Thalidomide Velociraptor bork 10:45:24 PM bork 2/1/2005 bork
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> 1) Has anyone ever managed to complete the quest to kill Hotzenplotz
> with a 10th level character or is it, like the Pyramid, something you
> should wait a while before attempting?

Usually, yes. There are some exceptions, though. A spellcaster with a good
start can give it a go earlier. A missile specialist with on-demand
teleportation can too. A mindcrafter can confuse, run, shoot, confuse, run,
shoot and beat him fairly early as well. I say this from experience.

If you like precrownings based on live sacrifices and you don't like or can't
use the other method (methods? can't remember -- I only use this one) of
getting an Amulet of Order to get Lawful to convert neutral altars into the
more-convenient Lawful type, then killing him early is really nice.

> 2) How many rat/giant rat corpses does it usually take to tame a cave
> lion/wild cat?

Too many for it to be very convenient.

> 3) How common are Scrolls Of Balance?

Not especially common.

> 4) Are herb seeds useful for anything if I don't have Gardening?

- Eat them, for a piddling amount of nutrition
- Sell them
- Use them as a missile weapon
- Use them as a melee weapon (You hit Keriax with an herb seed! Keriax is
confused! Keriax roars "WTF??" You hit Keriax with an herb seed! Keriax is
confused! You hit Keriax with an herb seed! Keriax dies...)

Erik
 
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I failed miserably to keep a straight face when I read that
on Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:29:21 +0100, Malte Helmert wrote:
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>> 2) How many rat/giant rat corpses does it usually take to tame a cave
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> Wild cats: Very few. Cave lion: not sure if it's possible at all.

it is; three might already do the trick.

Léon (aka Oliphaunt)
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It can do an infinite loop in about 5 seconds."
-- Linus Torvalds
 
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On 1 Feb 2005 13:45:24 -0800, Thalidomide Velociraptor wrote:

> 1) Has anyone ever managed to complete the quest to kill Hotzenplotz
> with a 10th level character or is it, like the Pyramid, something you
> should wait a while before attempting?

As many others have mentioned, it can be done at level 10 and even
before. I recently tried few characters with which I just tried to kill
all the Lawenilothehl people - Mad Doctor is surprisingly easy, and
Barnabas is nigh impossible before leveling up a lot.

I think Mindcrafter would have nice time killing Hotzenplots, Munge and
Grunge after getting Mind Bolt at level 6... Especially if he can lock
that door. 😉

> 2) How many rat/giant rat corpses does it usually take to tame a cave
> lion/wild cat?

I rarely tame them, but have sometimes made them neutral. That is enough
to get away, and might be even be a good way to get them out of the way
all the way.

Janne J.,
Endoperez
 
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J.M. Joensuu wrote:

> I think Mindcrafter would have nice time killing Hotzenplots, Munge and
> Grunge after getting Mind Bolt at level 6... Especially if he can lock
> that door. 😉

Here, here. That's one of my favourite slaughtering sessions when I play
a mindcrafter.

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Léon Planken wrote:

> I failed miserably to keep a straight face when I read that
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Is it more difficult for cave tigers? I faintly recall one of those as
being very difficult to tame, but do not remember whether it was tigers
or lions.

Malte
 
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Malte Helmert wrote:
> Léon Planken wrote:
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> Is it more difficult for cave tigers? I faintly recall one of those as
> being very difficult to tame, but do not remember whether it was tigers
> or lions.

Cave tigers only take raw, fresh, or fish meat, and they need a lot of
pieces at that (too many). Needless to say, pain in the ass.

--
Curry Bucket's Controversial Web Presence:
The Birthplace of Teenage Angst
http://chat.carleton.ca/~jsingh3/
or http://www.currybucket.cjb.net/
 
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Josh Singh <jGoOsh.AsWiAnYgh@gmail.comikaze> wrote:
> Malte Helmert wrote:
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> Cave tigers only take raw, fresh, or fish meat, and they need a lot of
> pieces at that (too many). Needless to say, pain in the ass.

I had one of my falcon-born wizards collect lots of fish meat in order
to tame a cave tiger that was blocking my way to Keethrax. It then
killed every other cat in the VD :)

brojek.
 
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