Question Random game crash, mouse stutter and slow response ?

[Aeacus]

I unplugged HDMI from Video card and re-plugged and haven't had an issue in a few hours

It is sounding more and more that you have an issue with your GPU. And it may not be drivers/software issue, but instead hardware issue.

Software wise, formatting your OS drive and making a new, clean Win installation, will get rid of all software issues, including bloatware and malware (except rootkits). So, software wise, Win clean installation is last ditch effort to fix things.

Now, if issue is hardware, there is one more thing you can do, to narrow things down;
remove your GPU from the system completely and connect monitor to MoBo. This way, you'd be using iGPU inside the CPU.

If everything is butter smooth when using iGPU and there are no issues, your RTX 2080 Ti is the problem.
In this case, only fix is new GPU.

 

[Spartagus423]

I think I need to buy a new video card. Any Ideas? Everything was fine for two days and now My game just crashes. I decided I am just going to buy a new video card but do I buy a 2080 ti refurbished? or should I buy a 3090 ti? and will it fit in my Case and is 850W PSU good enough? I spent $1400 dollars on this 2080ti like four years ago.

I am going to replace my PSU that I bought with a CORSAIR RM850x Fully Modular ATX Power Supply - 80 PLUS Gold and looking into new video card I just don't know if it is smart to buy another 2080 ti refurbished or a brand new one seems like the price is super inflated and hard to find.

https://imgur.com/a/4sKoREE

View: https://imgur.com/a/4sKoREE

 

[Aeacus]

I decided I am just going to buy a new video card but do I buy a 2080 ti refurbished? or should I buy a 3090 ti? and will it fit in my Case and is 850W PSU good enough?

I advise against buying RTX 20- or 30-series, especially used (refurbished) ones, since for very high chance, those are ex-mining GPUs and on it's last breath. So, those may not last long at all. Also no warranty with used GPU as well.

Better to buy brand new RTX 40-series GPU.
For 850W PSU, highest you can go, is RTX 4070 Ti Super. RTX 4080 would require 1000W PSU.

RTX 4070 Ti Super is ~$800, pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=566&sort=price&page=1
RTX 2080 Ti vs RTX 4070 Ti Super comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4070-TS-Ti-Super/4027vs4155

If you want cheaper, then;
~$700 - RTX 4070 Ti, pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=549&sort=price
comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4070-Ti/4027vs4146

~$600 - RTX 4070 Super, pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=565
comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4070-S-Super/4027vs4154

~$550 - RTX 4070, pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=550
comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4070/4027vs4148

~$450 - RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, pcpp: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=553&P=12884901888,51539607552
a bit weaker, but much more VRAM, comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4060-Ti/4027vs4149

GPUs nowadays come in all price brackets. So, it is easier to pick one.
Btw, RTX 4070 Ti is equal to RTX 3090 Ti,
comparison: https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3090-Ti-vs-Nvidia-RTX-4070-Ti/m1818101vs4146

 

[Spartagus423]

I just worry about if the 4070 Ti would even fit and if it is compatible with my MOBO. Will put it in my PC Part picker.

Also I see a ton of 4070 Ti SUPER....and what manufacture is good?

I like Nvidia if I can buy them but I see a lot like Asus, MSI, etc. I just don't really know what manufacture to go with. I am looking at this one Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER or Gigabyte Geforce RTX 4070 Ti Super Windforce OC

I updated my pc part picker with Rog Strix Geforce RTX 4070 Ti Super as a placeholder to see if it would fit.

https://imgur.com/a/uaeIeWp

View: https://imgur.com/a/uaeIeWp

 

[Aeacus]

Also I see a ton of 4070 Ti SUPER....and what manufacture is good?

Further reading: https://gamerant.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070ti-best-variants/

I, personally, prefer MSI. Especially their Gaming X or Gaming Z series. Of course, SUPRIM is better but i don't have money for top-end variant. So, mid-tier does fine for me.

The big 3 GPU brands are: MSI, Asus and Gigabyte. Others are smaller fish, like: Zotac, PNY, Colorful, Gainward etc. Lesser brands may offer cheaper prices than the big 3, but their reliability is also questionable (rule of thumb: cheap price = poor performance).

I updated my pc part picker with Rog Strix Geforce RTX 4070 Ti Super as a placeholder to see if it would fit.

Looks like it fits, if you kick out drive bays.

 

[Spartagus423]

Pardon my ignorance but the drive bays are the little white plates in back I unscrew to put the video card through correct? I have no issues taking a few off as long as it doesn't leave a giant open hole we are good.

I don't mind spending a little more money if I get a few years out of it. I really enjoyed my 2080 Ti with my i9900KS but I think it would probably be silly to pay more for a card that old and I would need to find a new one not a refurbished.

Ok so I narrowed it down to these three I think to choose from.
MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPRIM x 12G/Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER /Gigabyte Geforce RTX 4070 Ti Super Windforce OC

Thanks for all the help so far. Also any recommendations of places to buy them from? I know of newegg. Amazon has a lot but I never know how to tell if they are Brand new sealed packaging or refurbished on amazon seems like a lot of them are refurbished third party sellers.

I have two screens and I like to game on one while watching 1080p stream on other monitor if that helps in any way.

 

[Aeacus]

Pardon my ignorance but the drive bays are the little white plates in back I unscrew to put the video card through correct?

No. What you are talking about, are PCI covers. Those, 3 of them, you have to remove regardless since GPU goes there.

Drive bays are on the front of the PC case.

These 8x white ones, used to hold 3.5" HDD (or 2.5" SSD);

Direct link if image doesn't load: https://www.fractal-design.com/app/uploads/2019/06/Define-R5-Black_2-810x810.jpg
Source: https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/define/define-r5/black/

I have no issues taking a few off as long as it doesn't leave a giant open hole we are good.

You may need to remove 2-3 drive bays (aka caddy) to fit the GPU between them.

Also any recommendations of places to buy them from? I know of newegg. Amazon has a lot but I never know how to tell if they are Brand new sealed packaging or refurbished on amazon seems like a lot of them are refurbished third party sellers.

Since TH is international, we usually let people to choose their own source where to acquire the hardware. E.g i live across the pond, in Europe and folks here, do not have access to the Egg at all. Amazon is primary source for us + local, national stores.

I guess you live in USA. Besides Egg and Amazon, there's also Micro Center. I've head from our overseas folk that Micro Center can be trusted. BestBuy should also carry PC hardware. But i can not access BestBuy at all, since their site is geolocked to USA only.
So, if you trust Egg, sure, buy from there.

I have two screens and I like to game on one while watching 1080p stream on other monitor if that helps in any way.

Well, not much, since you didn't tell on what reso you are gaming on. 4K? 2K (1440p)? 1080p?
You only told that you like to look 1080p stream from 2nd monitor.

But it doesn't matter.
RTX 4070 Ti can do;
~145 FPS on average on 1080p (~95 FPS when Ray Tracing is enabled),
~118 FPS on average on 1440p (~62 FPS when Ray Tracing is enabled) and
~69 FPS on average on 4K (~32 FPS when Ray Tracing is enabled).
Review: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-review-a-costly-70-class-gpu/6

Of course, it all depends on game. Some games have higher average FPS (CPU bound), while others have lower (GPU bound). But it is considerably better than your RTX 2080 Ti, so you can expect FPS increase.

 

[Spartagus423]

Ok Perfect I already took those drive bays out early to make more space.

::UPDATE::
Well today the artifact on the 2080 ti became very bad.... So I swapped it out for my old card MSI 1070 Gaming Nvidia card and everything seemed OK then I tried gaming 120 fps First Descendant and watching a stream 1080p 60 on side and my game froze and I had to bring up task manager again mouse missing from screen until I hard reset. So I lowered the frames to 95 fps to see if it changes. Also I changed out the HDMI for a brand new one connecting the Second monitor/TV.

Now I have no clue. Event Viewer + Task manager (Which looks more balanced then old card)

https://imgur.com/a/M9PABkE

View: https://imgur.com/a/M9PABkE

 

[Aeacus]

So I swapped it out for my old card MSI 1070 Gaming Nvidia card and everything seemed OK then I tried gaming 120 fps First Descendant and watching a stream 1080p 60 on side and my game froze and I had to bring up task manager again mouse missing from screen until I hard reset.

Easiest software fix: format your OS drive and make a clean Win installation.

Win10 installation guide: https://forums.tomshardware.com/faq/windows-10-clean-install-tutorial.3170366/
Win11 installation guide: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/windows-11-clean-install-tutorial.3831442/

I advise you to do that, since i think, besides GPU issues, you have other software issues as well. Wiping the OS drive fixes software issues. It is the fastest and easiest way, compared to finding those specific issues within OS (it would be like looking a needle in a haystack).

 

[Spartagus423]

I think I am going to do so after I Install new video card.

Do I choose Nothing or can I choose personal files only?

https://imgur.com/a/0ZauEzb

View: https://imgur.com/a/0ZauEzb

 

[Aeacus]

Do I choose Nothing or can I choose personal files only?

Well, you can keep your personal files if you like (e.g My Documents, My Pictures etc), but that wouldn't be "clean" install.

Clean install = format of OS drive (everything goes) and then, making a new, Win installation. Starting out from the fresh page.
Since whatever issue there is, keeping personal files can bring the issue back.

Also, what you showed, is Windows Restart and not clean installation. These two are vastly different and Restarting OS may not get rid of software issues.

 

[Spartagus423]

Ok I got my Rogus Strix 4070 Ti Super today and I noticed it had a PCIe 16-pin power connector adapter is being supplied by three 6+2-pin power connectors. Does my power supply only have space for 2 PCI-E and One CPU plug and this adapter asks for three. Does this not work with? I see other videos where the 4070 Ti came with a two cable adapter.

I see my Corsair 850W (2021) came with x2 PCIE chords which each have 2 connectors on each one but I have been reading that you never want to plug those two chords on one chord into the card. So no clue. I heard don't daisy chain but I also heard you can daisy chain on third connector but only on third one.

Do I just plug in two separate PCI-E Chords?

UPDATE

I did a fresh install of Windows today and going through process of adding programs.

I am talking about I got my new Asus Rog Strix 4070 Ti Super and it had a plug that goes directly into the Video card and then it has an adapter on it with 3 PCI-E Connections...

So I did is I plugged in the adapter and Connected x1 PCIE cable to PSU, then with the Second Chord I plugged in seperate second cable and put the other connection in the third slot

so Two chords one is pig-tailed in third slot. I heard it was bad to do but also heard it should be fine but my PSU Corsair RM850x (2021) only has two PCI Slots on the back of it and one for CPU. So I did it because it is was I have.

Also I didn't realize but I bought my 850W Corsair with a Corsair Premium 600W PCIe 5.0 / Gen 5 12VHPWR PSU Cable so I think this is the replace chord I could use instead of the adapter that came with the Strix to plug directly into Video Card and it goes into x2 PCIE slots.

Corsair Premium 600W PCIe 5.0 / Gen 5 12VHPWR PSU Cable - Fits Type-4 PSUs via Dual 8-pin PCIe - 12+4pin
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLXWHW2N?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

 

[Spartagus423]

Ok so everything seems to be running well so far but I wanted to check Event Viewer.

I see this error for GamerBar even though I haven't had any issues in game aside for a few fps drops.

https://imgur.com/a/cLxS7Q9

View: https://imgur.com/a/cLxS7Q9

 

[Aeacus]

Also I didn't realize but I bought my 850W Corsair with a Corsair Premium 600W PCIe 5.0 / Gen 5 12VHPWR PSU Cable so I think this is the replace chord I could use instead of the adapter that came with the Strix to plug directly into Video Card and it goes into x2 PCIE slots.

Use this dedicated power cable to power your GPU, rather than the adapter included with GPU.

Ok so everything seems to be running well so far but I wanted to check Event Viewer.

So, new GPU + Win installation fixed your issue?

 

[Spartagus423]

No crashes yet so far. Minor Frame drops in First Descendant 120/144 FPS but aside from that Risk of Rain 2 runs great at 144 fps.

I will replace the Strix x3 adapter with the Corsair one I bought ty.

The event viewer shows the GameBarPresenceWriter and I have been reading it can cause the crashes I was talking about and also frame drops.

 

[Aeacus]

The event viewer shows the GameBarPresenceWriter and I have been reading it can cause the crashes I was talking about and also frame drops.

Then disable/uninstall it. Game Bar is Windows built-in gameplay capture software. There are better alternatives, like OBS Studio.

 

[Spartagus423]

Ok I put in the Corsair cable to replace the Tri-Adapter that Rog Strix came with...Trying to figure out how to disable/Uninstall the game bar looking through youtube right now.

I was able to disable the game bar which fixed all my frame drop issues in games. Corsair Cable put in to replace the tri adapter and I reset all the chords to make sure they are firmly in place.

::UPDATE::
So I decided to look at my task manager and it shows my GPU being at 100% should I be worried?

is it normal for my GPU to be at 100% now in game? I don't hear the fans blowing hard or anything I playing First Descendant at 144fps All Ultra while I have a stream on other monitor at 1080p.

I just see 100% GPU in task manager.