Rumor: Next Windows to Keep Modern UI, Live Tiles

[NewbieTechGodII]

@NewbieTechGodII I see that now, when I said my computer I meant, My computer as in the location where you can see all of your disks & devices, I guess it's just called computer now and probably was in 7 too. oblytile is a 3rd party software that allows you to make windows 8 tiles with your own pics, replacing the ugly tiny icons that appear in metro.

That should clear it right up for you and I understand someone who isn't a power user wouldn't care what the updates are doing for you but for me it's a big deal, I want to know what's new and test it out or what to look for as a new benefit.

I am not multi booting, that was what I wanted to do but, as I explained I can't because there is no 6970 support in osx but, if I did I would put one OS per disk and hit f12 when booting.

Why do you people keep thinking I need help I was only explaining the issues I'm having with windows 8 that I didn't have with windows 7, same software installed on both. No I'm not running 7 as I said I upgraded to 8 from 7 and it worked fine.

People keep telling me to wipe my drive clean and install a fresh copy however if you really read my first post you would know I'm a competent user and was already planning on doing just that. You would also know that this is the first time I have ever done an upgrade rather than a fresh install.

OK, try this:

1. On your Win8 Desktop, right click on the 'Computer' icon and select Create Shortcut.
2. Right click on the Shortcut and choose Pin to Start.
3. Open the Metro Start Screen...you should see a new 'Computer Shortcut' there.
4. Right click on it and at the bottom, click on 'Open File Location'.

That should give you the Computer address for your Tile app.

 

[ultameca]

@NewbieTechGodII Unfortunitly I already tried that but it just makes the tile open up the location C:\Users\johny\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

@NewbieTechGodII Unfortunitly I already tried that but it just makes the tile open up the location C:\Users\johny\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

Did you remember to add the NAME of the shortcut to the end of the address?

 

[ultameca]

@NewbieTechGodII OMG thank you, I did forget to put Desktop in there lol.

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

@NewbieTechGodII OMG thank you, I did forget to put Desktop in there lol.

Well it looks like it worked.

My Kung-foo Force is strong, live long and prosper grasshopper, so say we all.

 

[ultameca]

I have to recommend Oblytile now for everything not running from steam, Still working on getting steam Tile but, I'm hoping it's going make life better too. Apparently I can't use my gmail to download apps any more I have to make a Microsoft account.

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

I have to recommend Oblytile now for everything not running from steam, Still working on getting steam Tile but, I'm hoping it's going make life better too. Apparently I can't use my gmail to download apps any more I have to make a Microsoft account.

Why? (gmail thing)

 

[ultameca]

Because I was too lazy to change my hotmail password and got locked out one day, it's a pain trying to get a new one since so many are taken. plus my gmail adress is super short. so now I'm on hotmail trying to set up a new live account so I can get steam tile but, It thinks I'm in the uk.. now I'm hunting for a setting in metro assuming somewhere something is set to Uk

 

[ultameca]

@ NewbieTechGodII Because I was too lazy to change my hotmail password and got locked out one day, it's a pain trying to get a new one since so many are taken. plus my gmail adress is super short. Looks like I can't use chrome to set up a hotmail or live account... Must use internet exploror.

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

Because I was too lazy to change my hotmail password and got locked out one day, it's a pain trying to get a new one since so many are taken. plus my gmail adress is super short. so now I'm on hotmail trying to set up a new live account so I can get steam tile but, It thinks I'm in the uk.. now I'm hunting for a setting in metro assuming somewhere something is set to Uk

Personally, I stick with MS apps for whatever I may need...there are already enough issues without having to worry about 3rd party apps.

Well good luck with all that. I do know my WP8 would have me in the Saskatchewan time zone. Weird bit that was.

 

[ultameca]

@NewbieTechGodII I have to say one thing I'm really happy about is the new windows update in metro, much better

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

@NewbieTechGodII I have to say one thing I'm really happy about is the new windows update in metro, much better

I don't know what's different about it, other than it takes more steps to get to it.

 

[tomfreak]

[citation][nom]NewbieTechGodII[/nom]Well let's go in reverse order here:1. I do have a WP8; a Nokia 822 as a matter of fact. I want the 920, but I am on Verizon and they ain't available yet. My BB Tour was on its last legs so I decided not to hold out any longer. If you made all of the tiles on WP8 the smallest they could go, you could get anywhere from 24-32 tiles, but if you did, you would lose the animations or whatnot they have, and you would increase the chance of hitting the wrong tile. Remember, with a touch UI, smaller is not always better.2. YES!!! Put your shortcuts on your DESKTOP! I do and have no problems. Put the ones you use most in the Task Bar and the rest on the Desktop. I also don't see how it's poorly optimized for the desktop; I have a 24" screen and things work fine for me. I've played around with the various tablets in the stores and it still doesn't bother me, though I have to learn the touch gestures.3. If MS had done what you suggest, they would be dinged for making the Start screen cluttered and unattractive. Now, I do not like that you get a zillion icons dumped onto the Start screen when a app is installed (but YOU CAN REMOVE THEM), and I do not particularly like how the All Apps screen looks since it's a little difficult to tell the program groups apart. MS also shouldn't have allowed a program group to span multiple columns, but there it is.Now, as I've said many times before, I am using 8 like I did 7: I customize the Desktop and Task Bar with the icons I want and clear the rest. In this case, whenever I log-on, I immediately click the Desktop tile and I almost never see the Metro Start screen again. Problem solved.Speaking of logging-in, I don't particularly like that MS gives you only two choices of passwords- your Live ID or a 4-digit PIN. In any case, I use the PIN to login because frankly, my Live ID password is too long and cumbersome! Finally, I sincerely believe people are bitching about the wrong things here. However, I will say that there is little reason to go from 7 to 8.EDIT: You also realize, don't you, that you CAN put MORE TILES ON THE START SCREEN, RIGHT? First, be on the Metro Start screen and bring-up Settings. When you click on it, look at the top right and you'll see the setting for Tile. Click on it and you'll see Show More Tiles. By default it's turned-off, so just slide it on, and there you go. I believe it increases the rows from 5 to 7.[/citation]I am talking about tiles @ big screens, if it is optimized for desktop those tiles size would have been as small as our desktop icons. U cant resize it smaller further because there isnt any option. If u take a win8 tablet, the tiles are still much bigger than Ipad icons. Filled up the screen without less apps than it should be. I am pretty sure I dont need 3 fingers to touch a screen.

I own win8 I realize I can put more tiles, but I want to have more tiles in 1 screen. This win8 UI isnt even optimized enough for tablet let alone desktop.

 

[ultameca]

@NewbieTechGodII The old windows update required you to use internet exploror and took longer to actually look up updates ect, also the interface was not so visually pleasing but, the metro one looks better. I believe you can still use windows update the old way too but, you can't search it in the charms menu.

 

[ultameca]

@NewbieTechGodII Scratch that I think they stopped making you use the browser in win 7 I just forgot.. amazing how just a couple months can effect memory.

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

I am talking about tiles @ big screens, if it is optimized for desktop those tiles size would have been as small as our desktop icons. U cant resize it smaller further because there isnt any option. If u take a win8 tablet, the tiles are still much bigger than Ipad icons. Filled up the screen without less apps than it should be. I am pretty sure I dont need 3 fingers to touch a screen.

I own win8 I realize I can put more tiles, but I want to have more tiles in 1 screen. This win8 UI isnt even optimized enough for tablet let alone desktop.

Metro Tile dimensions: 1.25"w x 1.3125"h (1 1/4 x 1 5/16)

Desktop Icon dimensions: 1.00"w x 1.1250"h (1 x 1 1/8)

Not that much of a difference...how many Tiles do you need? If you set the Start screen to Show More Tiles, on my 24" monitor, I can display 98 (that's 14 across and 7 deep)!

JFC man, what the hell are you bitchin' about?

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

@NewbieTechGodII Scratch that I think they stopped making you use the browser in win 7 I just forgot.. amazing how just a couple months can effect memory.

Yeah I was just going to tell you that! You DO need to go to IE if you choose the option for Windows Update to look for updates for other MS programs and stuff...which is silly because that should be the default. It's like a restaurant asking you if you want plates with your dinner.

 

[CaedenV]

[citation][nom]wdmfiber[/nom]Imagine the future of touch. Some type of holographic screen, with advanced kinetic technology - tracking your finger poking around at the air... Try it... poke around at the air. It's BS, do it for any length of time (let alone a whole work day) and you get a strain injury.The PC future is the same as we have now. A keyboard, mouse, tower and screen. Harddrive space will reach into the 10's of TBs and high resolution LCD's will finally arrive. Seriously we've been stuck at ~100 ppi forever. Where is my (5760x3600) 280+ ppi 24" monitor and 250 watt - 7 nanometre GPU?[/citation]
HDDs will be practically gone before we get anywhere near the 10TB per drive mark. SSD density is catching up very quickly. If the controllers supported it (and prices continue to drop) you could easily cram a 4TB SSD in a standard 3.5" drive today, and without all of the manufacturing issues associated with 4TB HDDs. Granted, due to the parallel nature of SSDs and bottlenecks in SATA I think that all large SSDs will be on PCIe cards instead of SATA drive form factors, but the point is that SSDs will replace the HDD market. It is just going to take a few years for price efficiency to be more competitive.

For monitors, we have been stuck at 72dpi for years mostly because of Windows. If nothing else, MS is good at standardization, and when they pick a standard, they stick with it until it is 'broken'. Windows 3 made 72dpi standard, and the whole ecosystem of monitors, GPUs, and program UI design has been built around this ever since. It is only because of near print quality pixel density found on cell phones that there is the beginning of a demand for 'retina' displays for the desktop. But with 4K's arrival last year I think we will see monitors hit 4K before the end of the year (for a price), and it will just be a matter of time for general availability.

 

[CaedenV]

[citation][nom]wozza365[/nom]I think this may be linux's time, it already dominates the mobile market and I imagine that this will only increase linux's usage, Ubuntu has become very easy to use and only requires a small amount of prior knowledge to get logged in and do what you want to do, which for most, would be firefox and libreoffice, both pre-installed[/citation]
The only reason Linux dominates the mobile market is because it is not sold as Linux. It has been taken under the wing of Google to be made into something (relatively) easy to use, and in a closed ecosystem where drivers are a non-issue.
Linux as Linux will never take off. If someone were to make a consumer package similar to what has been done in the enterprise markets with Red Hat and other distros, then Linux could take off. But until someone takes Linux under it's wing and markets it as something else, then it will never take off. People simply want a product, not a project. The hope of Linux was that the general public would actuially learn to use their computers on a more fundamental level rather than just using them on a consumer level. Sadly, that will never happen. The general public wants to use computers, not manage them. Even most power users use Windows for their main machines simply because it is what software runs on, and what drivers work with. I enjoy using Linux for things that it is good for, and where up-time is of paramount importance... but it does not make for a good end-user machine.
Not saying that it cannot, but simply that it does not.

 

[fnh]

I don't care what they do to the UI. Just don't make us pay apps multiple times on what is touted as a single ecosystem.

 

[diddo]

Tiles never managed to sell well... oh, no problem: stick it in front of our best selling product.
Ballmer the genius...

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]fnh[/nom]I don't care what they do to the UI. Just don't make us pay apps multiple times on what is touted as a single ecosystem.[/citation]
There are literally tens of thousands of free Apps, some a duplicates but since when is this different to all the useful freeware for desktop? You also get to use all the desktop freeware too
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If the new UI is still too freaky, get Windows 8 anyway and Start 8 and take advantage of all the real performance improvements until either a Service Pack or some other freeware makes it the perfect mix
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A lot of people love XP Pro SP3 and i'm one of them, but XP at launch was crap, didn't stop me getting it and having fun tinkering with it along the way and a lot of people in here seem to forget the fun of tinkering

 

[fnh]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]There are literally tens of thousands of free Apps, some a duplicates but since when is this different to all the useful freeware for desktop? You also get to use all the desktop freeware too...[/citation]

I should have been more specific. As a Windows Phone 7.5 user, I was referring to Microsoft's attempt to bridge Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 and Windows RT and how app ownership do not carry over the platforms in what is supposed to be that single ecosystem.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]fnh[/nom]I should have been more specific. As a Windows Phone 7.5 user, I was referring to Microsoft's attempt to bridge Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 and Windows RT and how app ownership do not carry over the platforms in what is supposed to be that single ecosystem.[/citation]
As far as I am aware, unless you are using some kind of web-app, like Google Maps or Outlook.com, you can never transfer between platforms. Skydrive is a classic example, it is totally cross-platform and single eco-system but you still need an individual client on each device. If however you mean buying an App for your phone but it is then magically installed automatically on your PC and tablet then by it's very nature it would have to be some kind of web-app, otherwise you would have to overcome some very serious security issues.

 

[NewbieTechGodII]

I should have been more specific. As a Windows Phone 7.5 user, I was referring to Microsoft's attempt to bridge Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 and Windows RT and how app ownership do not carry over the platforms in what is supposed to be that single ecosystem.

I knew what you were talking about!

I have Win8 and WP8. One day while sitting around for something somewhere, I decided to download the Angry Birds series and Fruit Ninja. I PAID for them because I read somewhere that WP8/Win8 users would only have to buy (or simply download), an app ONCE and it will sync across your systems.

BULLSH!T!

None of the apps I installed on Win8 have appeared on WP8 and the same is true the other way around. WTF?!?! I sat and watched all of those roll-out videos when WP8 came out and they were touting this and also that WP8 was running the same kernel as Win8! LIES!

And let's not talk about how effed-up SkyDrive is or how they are applying an algorithm on all of your media on it looking for CP.