Ryzen 3 Dilemma

[raygg.lol]

Guys I have a question,
Should I buy:
R3 2200G + A320 + GTX 950
*or*
R3 1200 + B350 + GTX 950?
Because if I bought R3 1200 with B350 board I can OC it, while R3 2200G is already at 3.5 GHz so I think I don't have to OC it
Notes: I have 768p monitor and I'm planning to play some E- Sport titles and probably streaming.
The R3 1200 & B350 combo is about $35 more than R3 2200G one and my budget is $450 - $470 so that $35 differences is really matters to me
Thanks

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

Well, with the 2200G, it doesn't NEED to be overclocked, but it will hit 3.7 to 3.8 GHz pretty easily if you wanted to. There really isn't much of a cost difference either.

That said, the 1200 will overclock to those numbers as well... so it would probably be the better buy, ESPECIALLY since the GTX 950 will greatly outpace the Vega graphics on the 2200G.

So, final recommendation, R3 1200 + B350 + GTX 950. It will be worth it.

 

[raygg.lol]

Yeah I think so, but still, the price difference here in Indonesia is bothering me, R3 2200G ($100) + the cheapest A320 I can find ($58) + used GTX 950 ($110) = $268. On the other side, R3 1200 ($94) + the cheapest B350 ($94) + 950 ($110) = $298.
This is the core of my dilemma, can I add R7 cpus later (like 1-2 years later) on A320 board? Btw sorry for downvoting your reply, it was unintentional, it's my first time using this web.

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

You can add a Ryzen 7 to any of the AM4 boards. The only thing you have to worry about is the features you want on the board. So you can pair a 1700 with an A320 motherboard, and as long as you don't need overclocking and it has the features you want, you will have a good time. So, if you are going to end up getting the A320 motherboard, you might want to get the 2200G or 1300X for it so that you have as much power as you can get for your money.

 

[raygg.lol]

I'm sorry by "can I add Ryzen 7" I mean, will A320 limiting Ryzen 7's full potential? Because I heard that H110 will be limiting i7-7700K's full potential, will it happens to Ryzen 7 on A320?

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

Only if you were planning to overclock. AMD made their chipsets really easy. The A320 is the base chipset, with no SLI/Crossfire and no overclocking. The B350 is everything the A320 is, but adds overclocking support. The X370 is everything the B350 and A320 are, but adds SLI/Crossfire support. Features might change depending on the motherboard, but a 1700X at stock speeds on an A320 board will run just as fast as a 1700X at stock settings on an X370 board.

 

[geofelt]

You buy an apu like the 2200G for the integrated graphics.
Once you add a stronger gpu like a GTX950 you throw away that advantage.
I think you would be better off with the 1200/B350 combo.

Have you considered Intel?
The G5500@3.8 Is a stronger gamer from the cpu point of view.

 

[raygg.lol]

@geofelt Yes I've considered intel, the G5400 + H310 + GTX 950 is around $260 here, but it has the worst upgradability between those 3 combos, so no, I don't think so.

 

[raygg.lol]

@justin.m.beauvais Oh silly me, "full potential" is obviously overclocking which you can't get on the A320 board haha. Thanks for your reply, really appreciate it.

 

[geofelt]

@geofelt Yes I've considered intel, the G5400 + H310 + GTX 950 is around $260 here, but it has the worst upgradability between those 3 combos, so no, I don't think so.

H310 will support up to a I7-8700K which does not need any overclocking to perform well.
Any number of lesser chips are available for upgrades.
The I5-8400 with 6 cores is a popular processor, I do not know what it costs where you are.
You can get more threads or more clock speed, depending on what your requirements are.
I do not like to depend on overclocking for performance.
Any chip(cpu or gpu) will be binned, and the better bins will be used in higher performing products that can be sold for a higher price.
Buy the performance you need at stock, and consider any overclock as a bonus.
Ryzen is tightly tied to the ram you use and responds to higher speed ram.
That is particularly true with the integrated 2200g graphics.
Intel, on the other hand does not depend on ram speed for performance with a discrete graphics card.
One other plus with Intel is that you do not need to decide on a graphics card up front.
The included HD630 graphics is decent.
Not up to GTX950 class but not too far below.

A balanced gamer will budget about 2x the cost of the cpu for the graphics card.

 

[raygg.lol]

@geofelt The idea of getting R3 2200G is because its base clock is 3.5 GHz, and R3 1200 is 3.1 GHz. That's why I'm considering R3 2200G + A320 because I don't have to overclock it (R3 2200G is already at 3.5 GHz), or R3 1200 + B350 so I can overclock the R3 1200 to 3.5 GHz (to match R3 2200G) or beyond. Btw thanks for your reply, really appreciate it.

 

[raygg.lol]

@geofelt so H310 will not... You know... kind of bottlenecking the 8th gen i7s? Because there are a lot of people in the internet said "YOU DON'T BUY H310 BOARDS FOR G5400 BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UPGRADE IT LATER TO SOME 8TH GEN i5 / i7, IT WILL BE A BIG WASTE OF MONEY, IF I WERE YOU, I WILL BUY B360 INSTEAD" they tell me like it was some kind of bottleneck issues not overclockability issues lol. But I was confused because is there any bottlenecking issues between motherboard & CPU?

 

[Rogue Leader]

Guys I have a question,
Should I buy:
R3 2200G + A320 + GTX 950
*or*
R3 1200 + B350 + GTX 950?
Because if I bought R3 1200 with B350 board I can OC it, while R3 2200G is already at 3.5 GHz so I think I don't have to OC it
Notes: I have 768p monitor and I'm planning to play some E- Sport titles and probably streaming.
The R3 1200 & B350 combo is about $35 more than R3 2200G one and my budget is $450 - $470 so that $35 differences is really matters to me
Thanks

Don't buy a 2200G if you're not using the onboard graphics. Its PCIe lanes for the GPU are cut in half. You are much better off with the 1200.

 

[Rogue Leader]

@geofelt so H310 will not... You know... kind of bottlenecking the 8th gen i7s? Because there are a lot of people in the internet said "YOU DON'T BUY H310 BOARDS FOR G5400 BECAUSE YOU CAN'T UPGRADE IT LATER TO SOME 8TH GEN i5 / i7, IT WILL BE A BIG WASTE OF MONEY, IF I WERE YOU, I WILL BUY B360 INSTEAD" they tell me like it was some kind of bottleneck issues not overclockability issues lol. But I was confused because is there any bottlenecking issues between motherboard & CPU?

Whoever told you that is dumb. There is no bottleneck. The only important CPU performance related thing you lose is that you cannot overclock it. The 8700k will drop right in and work fine at stock speeds.

Don't get me wrong though, they are REALLY stripper motherboards and are missing a lot of features. The CPU does work at full speed, but you only get 2 memory slots, less ports, etc. Its really made for an office system not a gaming system.

 

[raygg.lol]

@Rogue Leader Your reply somehow making it clear and at the same time, makes me more dilemmatic haha. So here's how my build would look like:

1st Build:
R3 1200 @$86
MSI B350M Pro VH Plus @93
Team Elite Plus Red (2x4gb) 2666MHz DDR4 @93
GTX 950 (Used) @110
1TB WD Blue/Green HDD @36
Digital Alliance 600w 80+ Bronze Certified @38
1st player dancing (micro ATX) case @29
TOTAL: $485

2nd Build:
i3-8100 @$115
Gigabyte H310M S2 @71
GSkill Ripjaws V (1x8gb) 2400MHz DDR4 @86
GTX 950 (Used) @110
1TB WD Blue/Green HDD @36
Digital Alliance 600w 80+ Bronze Certified @38
1st player dancing (micro ATX) case @29
TOTAL: $485

3rd Build:
Pentium G5400 @$71
Gigabyte H310M S2 @71
GSkill Ripjaws V (1x8gb) 2400MHz DDR4 @86
GTX 950 (Used) @110
1TB WD Blue/Green HDD @36
Digital Alliance 600w 80+ Bronze Certified @38
1st player dancing (micro ATX) case @29
TOTAL: $441

4th Build:
Pentium G4560 @$54
Gigabyte H110M DS2 @54
GSkill Ripjaws V (1x8gb) 2400MHz DDR4 @86
GTX 950 (Used) @110
1TB WD Blue/Green HDD @36
Digital Alliance 600w 80+ Bronze Certified @38
1st player dancing (micro ATX) case @29
TOTAL: $407
$446 (After I add Kingston A400 120GB SSD)

- I have 768p monitor
- My plan is to play E-Sport titles
- Probably planning on streaming, that's why I consider 4 cores CPUs (i3-8100 & R3 1200)
- 1050 Ti is $200-$250 (New) and $170-$190 (Used)
- GTX 970 is $380-$400 (New) and $250-$300 (Used)
- My budget is tight AF so I'm trying to get the best price to performance possibility

My final question:

- Should I get dual channel instead of single channel RAM on my Intel builds?
- Coffee Lake Pentium without SSD or Kaby Lake Pentium + SSD?
- Of course, which build is the best for me and my wallet?

Sorry for long thread, Many thanks.

 

[Rogue Leader]

If you have to go H310 to get a processor I wouldn't do it, its just such a cut down limited board. The best build you have there is the Ryzen 3 one.

That PSU is junk, any chance you can get your hands on a Corsair CX450M?

 

[raygg.lol]

@Rogue Leader The Corsair CX450M in my country is around $57 (which is $19 more) but the Corsair VS450 on the other hand is $42, should I get the VS450? Because some people said that Corsair VS series are not that good. Also mind telling me why the DA 600w is junk? Because as far as I know, it's 80+ Bronze and digital alliance is quite reputable tech brand, I'm not that expert in PSU hehe

 

[Rogue Leader]

@Rogue Leader The Corsair CX450M in my country is around $57 (which is $19 more) but the Corsair VS450 on the other hand is $42, should I get the VS450? Because some people said that Corsair VS series are not that good. Also mind telling me why the DA 600w is junk? Because as far as I know, it's 80+ Bronze and digital alliance is quite reputable tech brand, I'm not that expert in PSU hehe

The VS is unfortunately significantly different than the CX. Its an old model that was replaced by the CX---M due to quality.

DA is a junk label brand using PSUs made to the lowest quality standards, the bronze rating means nothing in terms of quality. Theres a reason such a "powerful" PSU is so cheaply priced.

 

[raygg.lol]

Sooo... Is it safe to get VS450 or should I build my 3th/4th build with CXM450?
Also, does single channel really affects Intel CPU's peformance? Just like how dual channel is important to Ryzen Raven Ridge or basically any ryzen chips

 

[Rogue Leader]

Sooo... Is it safe to get VS450 or should I build my 3th/4th build with CXM450?
Also, does single channel really affects Intel CPU's peformance? Just like how dual channel is important to Ryzen Raven Ridge or basically any ryzen chips

Any of your builds would be fine with the CX450M. You really should NOT buy the VS450, its not a good unit.

Dual channel in some cases has no affect, in others it does. You are ALWAYS better off dual channel.

 

[raygg.lol]

What about this one -> Enermax NAXN 500W 80+ Bronze ETP500AWT
That brand is highly recommended by most of users from my country

 

[Rogue Leader]

What about this one -> Enermax NAXN 500W 80+ Bronze ETP500AWT
That brand is highly recommended by most of users from my country

Its actually the same platform as the Corsair VS, not good.

 

[raygg.lol]

Is there any good $40 or less PSU? Because my budget is extremely tight

 

[Rogue Leader]

Is there any good $40 or less PSU? Because my budget is extremely tight

The Corsair CX450M is often on sale. Look here:

https://smile.amazon.com/Corsair-Bronze-Certified-Non-Modular-CP-9020120-NA/dp/B01B72VXE6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1530555954&sr=8-2&keywords=corsair%2Bcx450&th=1

I'm sure you can scrounge up 7 bucks.

 

[raygg.lol]

Yeah, that would be 1 month to arrive and $20 shipping because I'm not living in the U.S., the shops here are expensive as hell (maybe due to shipping as well) and there are barely any discounts, sucks to be me :v