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Hello, can any one give me list of low profile graphic card for...mainly gaming.i have a slim cpu cabinet so i need a card (1gb) that is around 2.30 INCHES in Height...or close to that.plz if any1 can help. :)
 
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I didnt even know they made a 7750 low profile yet! Thats cool. I know they do have a 6750 low profile, but you need a better power supply to run one of those, probably not what the OP has.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131448

This is the best 6670 I believe there is right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102958

I can't recommend either of these though without knowing what power supply you are running though.
 
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Thanks Deemo13.

Not to sidetrack the thread I hope. I've got a SFF HP DC7700. I use it for work mostly, but I take off to games sites some and play some from the hard drive such as Silent Hunter 4 and Half Life. Standard power is 240 watts, but I've got 11 USB power draws in use. Can I use the MSI 6570 safely or could I use it if I eliminated some of the USB draws? Most of the time the USBs are not in use. Anything I purchased would be replacing an NVIDIA Quadro NVS 290 (256 MB)...barely better than the onboard, but it's a low power (15 watts) low temp card (60 C)...

Sorry if I'm breaking a rule Vague Worm or Deemo13 or anybody...
 
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6670 is probably the one to go for, the others can be hard to get a hold of. The absolute best is the 6850 by AFOX but it has to be ordered from Japan. Make sure you have a decent power supply for any of them though.
 
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It all really depends on the 12V rails on the power supply. On this other thread I am commenting on, this guy has a 600W PSU, but only 10a on the 12V rail, which might not actually be possible.

That being said, the 6570 is a pretty low power card. It uses about 45W on full load, which is a requirement of about 4a to be safe. The rest of the system needs the rest of the amps. I would be safe saying you need at least 16 or so amps to run it safely.
 
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Again if you can get it, definitely, there hard to come by where Im from not too sure about the states. Heres a benchmark:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-6570-radeon-hd-6670-turks,review-32169-4.html

Surprised no one mentioned it but to me its a bit like the 7750 in low profile, they seem to vanish pretty quickly.

honestly, if you want to game, I would suggest moving out of the slim case, its what you'll probably end up doing anyway. What games are you going to be playing?
 
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Deemo13...

Looks like its 11.5 amps...stock psus, what can be said...

I saw in another thread where a guy successfully installed an HD5450 in a system with similiar specs to mine but a slightly lower power cpu (uses the same power (65W) however)...

I'll be happy if I can simply improve the performance, so I'll probably try a 6570 and then back off to a HD5670

I'll step out of the thread now, and thanks for the tip. sorry vague worm, trampled your thread a little bit...
 
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@the Vague worm

The best low profile graphics card that you can get is the 6670 for your system. If your power supply is a 450W, which I've never seen in a low profile environment, you should be perfectly fine.

This one should be great:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102958

@AtlBo

I would recommend a PSU upgrade, but I am not sure of what size the PSU you are using is. Like is the case regular size? Then you would be able to get whatever power supply you wanted. 11.5a is pretty dang low.

Also, the HD5670 is faster and uses a little more power than the HD6570. The HD5670 is close to the 6670.
 
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Deemo13...SFF HP DC7700...no PSU upgrades that I know of. Considered a wall powered graphics card. Not going to rule it out, but this should be an interesting experiment in the mean time. SFF works best for this machine where it is in the office, and the machine is good enough.

Thanks for the information on the HD 5670 and on the HD6570...I'll keep that in mind...
 
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The highest wattage psu Ive seen is 500w. Unfortuantely they are all made by substandard manufacturers, you wont find any of the big names making psus in that form factor. Heres a link to one:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-cit-micro-atx-quiet-fan-20plus4pin-atx-12v-with-80mm-temp-control-fan-psu

Sorry its uk. Dual rail with 14a on one and 13a on the other, but I wouldnt trust those figures 100% and I am not recommending this, I just want to show what the limitations are.

@the Vague worm

There are plenty of other options for SFF cases that allow for standard atx PSU's, check out Lian Li or Silverstone can be a bit pricey though.

I know I said it before but if you really want to game properly you need to move to a better case, even the cards mentioned are going to produce significant amounts of heat in that environment. If you are certain this is what you wanna do, 6670 is the safe bet.
 
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for me personally, the best SFF gaming(It is actually my media center, but it works great to grab it and go do some gaming.) I had was my SG05(With a 300 watt SFX power supply, that is what those "mATX" power supplies actually are). You can get a decent one up to about 450 watts from FSP.

It is not so small to need a low profile video card, so may be too big for some.

-H55n, no overclocking in this little thing. 300 watt power supply with its fan swapped out(was too loud, be aware it is some 15mm thick or something).
-I5 750 with as much undervolting as it would take and still be 24 hour prime stable(1.04 volts all cores loaded and upto 1.22 for turbo depending on the number of cores).
-4 gigs of corsair
-2 x 1tb hard drives, but removed one in the name of quieter operation.
-GeminiiS with some mods to fit(and a silverstone 120mm fan slightly thinned down to not hit the power supply, used to be a 12mm thick Scythe)
-AMD HD5770. This thing was more then I bargained for(it was more then enough for med-high game settings).

All going full blast(Prime95 + Just Cause 2) did not pass 180 watts at the wall :)

apcprimejustcause2.jpg


Before the fan swap, the power supply has no fan grille any more.
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That's a pretty darn cool media center PC you have there! I'm actually in the process of building one right now to put in a dorm room. Its not as powerful as yours, as the motherboard, processor, and RAM were stripped from an Acer Aspire slimline that I got for free, the board its exactly what I want, because it as a PCI-E x16 for my Radeon 6670, and a PCI-E x1 for my TV tuner that I plan to add, so I can record TV in college.

I can't believe you only actually pull 180W though, I got an Antec Earthwatts EA-380D for my computer, because I was nervous the stock Dell 250W I had it running with was not going to work, even though technically it should have.
 
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It was overkill(I was looking at AMD, but did not find any itx boards with e-sata at the time).

In the end, I wish I had a cpu with onboard(ITX only leaves me one slot) video because my USB tv tuner(ATI USB 650 COMBO) needed lots of work to get it stable(I still wish it did not cause a minor ground loop[audio hum, it goes away if i disconnect the cable box, but is only noticeable if i want to run everything full volume], never noticed that with my old card, but who knows. This is an issue with interconnecting too much crap.).

That said, the power supply was too loud for me, but with some work, is much better now.

Either way, it was my first SFF(the shallow depth was what I needed most), worked out good. And led me to try some Silverstone FT03 fun for another system :)

I have a EA430, very nice quiet unit. EA650 for some reason is not so quiet. I think the small board and undervolting helped with power consumption.

Hard to think my old media center took more power and was bigger slower and hotter.
 
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