Second Take: The Digg User Revolt

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Were there not posts that were taken down that basically listed the value but talked about unrelated things? I was under the impression that when Digg decided not to censor these things, that posts like that were what they refered to along with the original postings. And all Rob said was that it was illegal for Digg to do that. Which is what I was originally trying to argue.
 
... And all Rob said was that it was illegal for Digg to do that. Which is what I was originally trying to argue.
Illegal? Where did you get that idea? Web Sites are, for the most part, private, commercial ventures and they have a right (and sometimes a responsibility) to monitor and moderate the content posted.

Look at Tom's Terms of Service. This is the agreement, the "contract", you agreed to when you registered to acquire posting privileges (membership).

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Freedom of Speech is a great thing. It doesn't, however, apply to private web sites.
 
This is true, which is why I mentioned in my earlier posts that I don't think anything like this was in the Digg Terms Of Service. And I got that idea directly from the video, I think you are misunderstanding, what you quoted was refering to uncensoring, not censoring, of articles relating to that number.
 
It will be an interesting case. I personally think the best method of resisting DRM is to NOT buy crap that uses it. I will not buy an HD DVD or Blue-Ray content. I refuse to do any business with the iTunes music store. I will not use an iPod.

All of those companies will not get my money. That hurts them much more than anything else I can do and is NOT illegal. I think the people that are pissed off about this stuff should all band together and do the same.
 
Exactly: if your upset from terrible service and bad food, don't go back.

- I'll stick with my TV card in my computer, I record those shows and transfer them to my play back device of my choice, I don't need HD for a pmp anyway.
- I'll get a up-converting dvd player/pvr to replace my old one. {or make my own with http://www.mythtv.org/index.php }
- I'll use linux/gnu. bye bye M$, hello http://www.mozilla.org/ & http://www.openoffice.org/
- I'll only buy the hardware I want at the prices I choose, not the hardware the BIG CORPORATIONS tell me to get.

and I will wait for the industry to mature. DOWN WITH DRM!
 
If you can figure out how to get the hardware you want for the price you want, please let us know, I wouldn't mind getting an 8800GTX for 10 bucks. 8O
 
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in...

Not to throw kerosene on the fire, but I just caught this story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_en_mo/canada_film_piracy_3

Canada just keeps getting screwed. But they're not the only ones. Did anyone hear about the IESB.net controversy with "Iron Man"? Totally F'd up:
http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2449&Itemid=75

Again, I'm not arguing that DRM doesn't suck or that the law is perfect. Far from it. But BucNews is right. The best way to hurt them is to not buy what they're selling. That will lower the price and and hopefully get them to relax DRM whereas illegal donwloading and pirating will most likely lead to more laws and restrictive DRM. Oh, and Canada not getting any love, too.

Other thoughts:

Tesla...wow...

I must have missed something here between RichPLS and Hergie. Did you really report him? I'm confused.

And finally, to Wicko.
EDIT: I was kind of hoping that Rob meant, it is illegal to circumvent copy protection, and he wasn't refering to Digg not censoring that number. But with your posting, now I'm doubtful that that is the case.

Well, I meant it for both the former and the latter. The reason I said it was illegal for the latter, concerning Digg, was simple. Digg could have made half-hearted attempts to censor stories with the HD-DVD code in them and simply told the AACS that, hey, we're trying but there are just too many members posting the code (wink wink nod nod). Instead, Digg made it public that not only were they not going to censor the content, but Kevin Rose said the site was going to support the mob's anti-DRM crusade.
 
I must have missed something here between RichPLS and Hergie. Did you really report him? I'm confused.
Rob...Roooooooob...come to the Other, Rob...

Your pal Aaron is there...

I promise no one will hurt you...

:twisted:
 
Rob,

I'm pretty sure he didn't report me. I think it was a joke referencing my post of 01 23 45 67 89 AB CD EF.

If he did report me, it was a waste of energy, as I've done nothing reportable.
 
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in...

Not to throw kerosene on the fire, but I just caught this story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_en_mo/canada_film_piracy_3

Canada just keeps getting screwed. But they're not the only ones. Did anyone hear about the IESB.net controversy with "Iron Man"? Totally F'd up:
http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2449&Itemid=75

Again, I'm not arguing that DRM doesn't suck or that the law is perfect. Far from it. But BucNews is right. The best way to hurt them is to not buy what they're selling. That will lower the price and and hopefully get them to relax DRM whereas illegal donwloading and pirating will most likely lead to more laws and restrictive DRM. Oh, and Canada not getting any love, too.

Other thoughts:

Tesla...wow...

I must have missed something here between RichPLS and Hergie. Did you really report him? I'm confused.

And finally, to Wicko.
EDIT: I was kind of hoping that Rob meant, it is illegal to circumvent copy protection, and he wasn't refering to Digg not censoring that number. But with your posting, now I'm doubtful that that is the case.

Well, I meant it for both the former and the latter. The reason I said it was illegal for the latter, concerning Digg, was simple. Digg could have made half-hearted attempts to censor stories with the HD-DVD code in them and simply told the AACS that, hey, we're trying but there are just too many members posting the code (wink wink nod nod). Instead, Digg made it public that not only were they not going to censor the content, but Kevin Rose said the site was going to support the mob's anti-DRM crusade.

Well then, I wasn't aware that Kevin Rose had said he would SUPPORT the anti-DRM crusade, only that he said he wasn't going to censor the articles (which I still believe is a legal move, but apparently thats debatable, heh).

On the topic of canada, well, being canadian, I really don't know anyone that goes to these advance screenings. So, not missing anything there. And about those stats about camcordings? Well, not only does it sound absurd (how would they know where it came from? The people that do it, I'm sure they try to remain anonymous) but I also don't know anyone who downloads camcordings anyway. If anything, it's either after a movie is released (people will download the DVD rip or something), or they get the DVD or VHS screener. They make no mention of where those come from. More often than not, people I know go see the movie in theatre whether they downloaded it or not. I have not gone to see less movies ever since I knew about bittorrent.

And I certainly don't know anyone that has ever sold these movies to people. What, do they think we have little stands next to our igloos, handing out burned DVDs for a couple bucks? If Fox does prevent movies from releasing early as "punishment", well, I really don't think thats going to help their "situation" any.
 
EHH!?
Do we even know how to operate camcorders in Canada.
We don't even own guns.

Besides we can't even sneak food into a theater, what makes anyone think they can get a camcorder into one.

Maybe it was a DVD screener on a cellular: one big blurry blob, the down loader would be getting Hairy Potter thinking they were watching Spider-man 3.
:lol:

http://www.boulder.swri.edu/merline/press/fig1.html
ONE BIG BLURRY BLOB
 
To: Warner Bros
Subject: RE: No advance screenings for you!
From: canada@gov.ca


Dear Warner Bros,

OH NOES!

Sincerely,
Canada
 
1-800-GREASED
{I made the number up, Rob, so don't go calling it expecting playful banter}
+ googled it below
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=6oU&q=1-800-473-2733&btnG=Search&meta=
ACE GREASE
9035 State Route 163
Milstadt, IL
1-800-473-2733


below is a link to
A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
Pretty much stating for all those early adopters {the prime target audience for HD} that all their spent hard earned money has gone down the drain. So their left with Premium Content, and Premium Static.
Don't worry about M$ they will soon have their own premium content on the X360.

I think I'll stay with DVD for now, it really does "still looks great" especially when compared to HDTV at 720p {love that gemming / random artifacts / freezing audio that you get with the 20 channels of premium HD}.
 
Can someone tell me.
Is it 100% legal to copy a DVD I BUY for my own personal use?
Or if I buy a DVD, I will never be able to watch it on MY personal media player???
I just want to know.
Thanks!

seriously
IF I can not watch a DVD I buy on MY PMP, I will never buy another DVD.(The Man wins, I buy nothing. Like after a girl complains, she gets nothing)
 
Exactly: if your upset from terrible service and bad food, don't go back.

- I'll stick with my TV card in my computer, I record those shows and transfer them to my play back device of my choice, I don't need HD for a pmp anyway.
- I'll get a up-converting dvd player/pvr to replace my old one. {or make my own with http://www.mythtv.org/index.php }
- I'll use linux/gnu. bye bye M$, hello http://www.mozilla.org/ & http://www.openoffice.org/
- I'll only buy the hardware I want at the prices I choose, not the hardware the BIG CORPORATIONS tell me to get.

and I will wait for the industry to mature. DOWN WITH DRM!
Any news on good games coming to Linux? The main reason I don't jump to Linux yet.