Selling Lawsuits AMD Vs Intel

[Reynod]

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[Kari]

thats BS

 

[Amiga500]

A great little article here.

Not really.


Its dubious in the extreme to say Intel is in the same boat as the NFL. Intel have already been convicted of abusing their position in some parts of the world.



Mistakes within AMD have contributed to their current position, as has Intel's dodgy dealings. Which has contributed more is anyones guess, and you can bet the earnings lost to AMD through Intel's anti-competition practices in the K7/K8 era (when AMD was very well run) amount to much more than 3 dollars.


If AMD can demonstrate Barcelona was compromised, and their process transition was compromised by lack of funds (which would have resulted from Intel's dirty work) then they could receive a very sizable payout.

 

[Reynod]

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[LukeBird]

Well the website is a UK based one ..

Why does that matter?
And I would say it was American based, judging by the date alignment, adverts for US stores and the fact it's talking about American football....

 

[Amiga500]

Well the website is a UK based one ..

Are you getting them mixed up with overclockers.co.uk?

An etailer?

 

[Hellboy]

What I want to know is what does it matter wether or not its a UK site...


These sorts of comments are out of order and unecessary...


Like all the other sites have been trustworthy... but at least we got some.

 

[zenmaster]

AMD fans can complain all they want, but when AMD had the better product their factories were operating at full capacity and could not have supplied more processors if they wanted to do so. They were also in a position to charge a premium for their chips.

Where AMD failed is in the fact that it's been many years since they have created a great new product. The Phenom is a modest improvement at best over the old X2 chips. The only advantage it truly has is the extra cores. I suspect that AMD could have done just as well by making a simpler quad on the old technology.

If Phenom had shipped on time.
Had performed as touted.
AMD would be in the black and charging premium prices for their chips.

The truth is that AMD is producing chips that in general are inferior to Intel Chips which forces them to charge a low price. On top of that they are using 90nm and 65nm processes which are more expensive to run than Intel's 65nm/45nm processes. So they are getting caught from two directions.

Am I pulling for AMD?
Of Course! Competition is good.
Who is primarily responsible for AMD's current situation?
AMD.

 

[Reynod]

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[LukeBird]

Woah ... I wasn't knocking the UK.

That's the motherland for me ...

Us poor convict stock in down under come mostly from UK stock.

I had fish n chips for tea.

It probably is a US site then eh?

I just liked the article ... I thought it made some good points.

I know little about the US footy except the guys who play it must be scared to get hurt ... all that padding and the stopping and starting ... doesn't seem as manly as Rugby or Aussie rules.

You're let off then! 😉

 

[Amiga500]

Woah ... I wasn't knocking the UK.

Knock away dude...


Everyone hates the poms 😀

 

[Amiga500]

AMD fans can complain all they want, but when AMD had the better product their factories were operating at full capacity and could not have supplied more processors if they wanted to do so.

Erm, contract out - TSMC...

They were also in a position to charge a premium for their chips.

And the bstarts did

They pissed off alot of people charging hideous amounts for the X2s.

 

[jimmysmitty]

The only problem I have with this is that for the time K8 was on top AMD gained a massive amount of market share in that time. Of course there is no way that they could just take all of the market share.

Now the one reason I see that no matter what happens Intel will always sell more chips is due to the fact that they have a much larger manufacturing process and can make more chips and sell them for less. Plus Intels process is normally mature, like how P4 was with K8, therefore it cost them less to produce the CPUs.

I personally don't see how Phenom was effected by this. If they spent the money they used on ATI for Phenom there is no guarantee it would work better. But I mean come on. They spent all of their cash and got a loan for ATI and they want to say Phenom was effected by not having enough money to work on it? Thats a load of bull hockey.

 

[Reynod]

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[Reynod]

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[Hellboy]

Knock away dude...


Everyone hates the poms 😀

We wont mention the type of women we sent over to populate Austrailia.....Will we...

Oh no

 

[jimmysmitty]

Erm, contract out - TSMC...

They were also in a position to charge a premium for their chips.

And the bstarts did

They pissed off alot of people charging hideous amounts for the X2s.

Didn't AMD say they didn't want to do that? Or they might have to. But TMSC is what ATI uses so why wouldn't AMD do it to save money? Then maybe they could seel the chips for the same price but get a better margin.

I remember the crazy X2 prices. FX series was around 1k+. It was funny how people now go AMD to build a low end budget system but back then they couldn't unless it was a Sempron/Celeron POS.

Oh well. If Phenom had been the Core2 killer AMD was expecting, their CPUs would be high priced.

 

[Hellboy]

🙁 ......................

you mean you dont know.....

 

[Reynod]

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[zenmaster]

Erm, contract out - TSMC...

Contracting out is not a simple task for CPU Fabs.

It would requie massive amounts of investments from both parties to get those lines up and running.
You can't simply make one type of chip one day and decide to make another the next.

The Path AMD chose was to build a large number of their own FABS to meet demand instead of contracting out.

Now, It would have been cheaper and faster to contract out than build their own fabs but that is not the path they chose.

One very logical reason why many major builders did not go with AMD lines is that AMD had a constant shortage of CPUs. This made introducing an AMD line risky. On top of that, the shortage meant that AMD Chips were not the low price they are today. As we know, most retail shoppers were looking more for price than performance.
That just made Intel the safe choice.

And that is the funny thing.
Today AMD has a chip surplus and is selling them much cheaper but are not inferior.
However, you will find more AMD chips in retail systems than ever before.
This is because the vendors have a guarenteed supply and are likely getting incredible deals from AMD.
Something they could not swing when AMD did not have surplus capacity.

 

[Hellboy]

Eh??

I married one.

No regrets.

Im treading carefully here.....

You do know what I mean by what i said, dont you... What us Brits back in history did to populate Australia....

Unfortunately this is factual, as aposed to being antagonising...


Not that I am proud on some of what this country has done, but then again if it didnt then Australia and America wouldnt be the great countries they are today, would they

 

[Hellboy]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CE2DF1330F934A25750C0A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

This is what we did to America and Australia..

unreal but true...

This is History,, I have studied history for ages.. Imho its the most fantastic subject there is...

Remember even a second a go was history..

 

[Amiga500]

We wont mention the type of women we sent over to populate Australia.....Will we...

Oh no

Why did yez keep the ugly ones then? 😉 :lol:

 

[Hellboy]

Why did yez keep the ugly ones then? 😉 :lol:

We send them back next time round, when you were drunk

 

[Amiga500]

You do know what I mean by what i said, dont you... What us Brits back in history did to populate Australia....

I'm Irish boyo - I know exactly what yez did.