So, when does NVIDIA Pascal come out?

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Told myself that now that I have a job, I'd snag a GTX 1080, or equivalent, on the conditions that I maintain this job until then, have wiggle room for money, and on the condition that I do well in school and keep up good health (lots of conditions).

Current GPU is a 970.

Main questions I have are:

1) Do we have a price estimate for the GTX 1080 yet?

2) Do we have any idea how it compares to the GTX 900 series? I know that it's supposed to have 4 stacks of HBM2 (compared to the FuryX's 4 stacks of HBM1), and since it's a whole new architecture it's supposed to have extra transistors and stuff, but is there anything solid on the performance difference? There's leaks regarding the fact there's 16GB and 32GB VRAM Cards coming out, but my assumption is that these would be specifically for Super Computers.

3) Do we know of any rumors or leaks as to when the GPU comes out specifically?

4) Would an i7-4790k CPU at stock speeds (4ghz quad-core) become a bottle-neck when used in conjunction with a high-end NVIDIA Pascal for gaming?

5) What resolution would you assume to be the "limit" for "ultra" next-gen gaming with a single high-end NVIDIA Pascal card for sufficient frame rates(GTX 1080 or equivalent specifically)?
 
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Two good rumor websites to check out are:
http://videocardz.com/
http://wccftech.com/

Here's some Pascal news:

Nvidia gets first samples of GP100 from TSMC, begins internal tests
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/nvidia-receives-first-samples-of-gp100-chips-from-tsmc-begins-to-test-them/
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Absolutely! The rumor that a New Titan with the Pascal architecture in the 2nd quarter makes sense.

My guess is people will need to wait for the more affordable variants....
 
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I dont see them doing refreshes of maxwell and pascal in the same year nor i see them doing maxwell refreshes 2016 and pascal in 2017

I say pascal will drop 2016 which is rumored
 
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Since the rumors already include test samples of Pascal being spotted, which was quite some time ago, I'm expecting a March/April time frame. That would match up with the Q2 expectations from reports I have read.
 
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In my opion that is possible for the 1000 USD Titan variant however unless AMD comes out with something really good I think that the pascal that replaces the 980 ti will come June or July best case scenirio.

Titan x is doing a good Job driving my my xb271hu for now.

 
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I'm planning ahead for Oculus CV and this is highly relevant. I believe my old 2500k @ 4.8 will be fine, plus either a 970 that I could grab now or wait for the step change with Pascal. They reckon a 970 is plenty, but why bother when waiting will mean much more grunt and hence more options. 4k gaming doesn't interest me and everything does 2d 4k just fine. What is the bet however that Pascal makes a 970 look shabby and for less money? On the other hand, I know GPU development is a massive oligopoly so they'll dole out the improvements at the rate that suits them, not us. Hmmm.
 
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i still see them doubling the amount of vram on the 980s and 970s. they could probably release the refresh along with pascal. pascal being top end and the refresh card forming the midrange.

it makes so much business sense especially when AMD's offering is not that fanciable.
 
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AMD's 390 is perfectly competitive with the 970 and many people (including me) actually choose it over it. I don't see how it's not fanciable. The 380 performs better than the 960 for the same price, too.

Also, a 4GB 390 is coming out (actually I think they already are out) that are even cheaper and definitely beat the 970 in price/performance.
 
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Thats a bit far out imo and i really dont see them doing refreshes of maxwell either i got a feeling we going to see pascal sooner then later
 
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I disagree however anything is possible... When do you think Pascal will arrive?
 
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my prediction? GP104 will spear head the launch with GTX1800/1700 (or what ever they called it) on consumer side with GP100 will be exclusive to tesla line up for quite sometime. the next titan (GP100) will launch in Q1 2017. and we might see the return of 'true titan' with unlock DP performance. for sure they must have GP100 to be ready in Q1 or Q2 2016 because of intel. also they might not going to wait for AMD to launch first.
 
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You think Nvidia is going to launch a successor to the gtx 980/GM204 built on 16FF and have HBM2 memory?

My guess is such a card would be much faster than the Titan x & Gtx 980 ti...

I think they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand if such a card was created immediately. This would also be bad for Maxwell sales...

I think Big pascal will come to the consumer/prosumer market as a Titan.
Big Pascal will also come to professional market however i wouldn't be surprised if they do the same thing that the did for maxwell and create a small pascal without HBM2 memory like they did for the 750/750ti.

" I still think there will be delays and 2nd Quarter 2016 is best case scenario"
 
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You think Nvidia is going to launch a successor to the gtx 980/GM204 built on 16FF and have HBM2 memory?
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not sure about HBM2 but for sure it will be based on TSMC 16nm node. GP104 probably about equal or 10% faster than current 980Ti.

I think they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand if such a card was created immediately. This would also be bad for Maxwell sales...
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why would it be bad for maxwell? nvidia launch maxwell in 2014. they make major architecture change for every 2 years so 2016 is about right for Maxwell to be EOLed and introduce Pascal to the market.

anyway most of this just my prediction. i don't know what nvidia will actually do. in the past people predict but in the end something else happen. and there were talks about Pascal will be short live because it is pretty much confirm that volta will come out in 2017 (because nvidia have contract to complete two new super computer in 2017 using Volta instead of Pascal).
 
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I still think it will be Big Pascal first however based on past precedents you might be correct.

For example if they sell a 1070 or whatever they call it for around $400 and it is as fast or 10% slower the 980 ti who is going buy the 970, 980 or 980 ti?


The 1080 might be a good choice if it's 20% faster than the 1070 if it sell for 500-550 for people wanting the best.

I think it will be a Titan series and cost $1000 USD with HBM2 with an the chip will manufactured in the16nm process.

This card will sell like hot cakes because based on info revealed the Pascal architecture will be a game changer...
 
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I think Pascal is going to be a lot faster at the high end, mainly because it represents more of a paradigm shift. Not only the move to 16nm and HBM2, but also new architecture, including NVLink and twice as many transistors as Maxwell. Official word from Nvidia is that Pascal will be 10x faster than Maxwell, which we know is not going to happen, but still. Bottom line, is this is probably not a normal Kepler to Maxwell update, it could be something more significant.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2400163/gtc-2015-nvidias-next-gen-gpu-pascal-will-be-10-times-faster-than-maxwell
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-volta-gpus-sc15/
 
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I do wonder though do u think there will be another maxwell update or will it go str8 into pascal?

 
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think about fermi to kepler upgrade. maxwell able to gain more performance even on the same on as kepler because of a few things. first because nvidia totally throw out DP stuff from maxwell. second probably the fine grain changes nvidia made on maxwell to increase GPU usage efficiency. probably why in certain cases maxwell able to do a lot better than kepler. with Pascal nvidia also going to bring back in DP stuff back. right now we don't know how will this going to affect Pascal gaming performance.
 
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Essentially though, Kepler and Maxwell are the same type of architecture. One is more efficient than the other, but not much else changed. It was an incremental advancement. For Pascal, we're seeing a combined package of improvements, from process node, to memory systems, architecture, and so on. This is something different than we have seen in recent generational advances.
 
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To some maxwell is much more pure gaming architecture than kepler. Hence there were speculation if nvidia can tackle the problem; creating and architecture that will excel at both gpgpu and gaming. For AMD GCN i think their architecture is more gaming oriented than nvidia. Hence in HPC despite the big advantage ot GCN in DP compared to Kepler most super computer turn into nvidia tesla. With Pascal we know they will go back to their GPGPU root. It will be an interesting to see what nvidia will bring with Pascal.
 
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