So, when does NVIDIA Pascal come out?

[sterlin22]

Told myself that now that I have a job, I'd snag a GTX 1080, or equivalent, on the conditions that I maintain this job until then, have wiggle room for money, and on the condition that I do well in school and keep up good health (lots of conditions).

Current GPU is a 970.

Main questions I have are:

1) Do we have a price estimate for the GTX 1080 yet?

2) Do we have any idea how it compares to the GTX 900 series? I know that it's supposed to have 4 stacks of HBM2 (compared to the FuryX's 4 stacks of HBM1), and since it's a whole new architecture it's supposed to have extra transistors and stuff, but is there anything solid on the performance difference? There's leaks regarding the fact there's 16GB and 32GB VRAM Cards coming out, but my assumption is that these would be specifically for Super Computers.

3) Do we know of any rumors or leaks as to when the GPU comes out specifically?

4) Would an i7-4790k CPU at stock speeds (4ghz quad-core) become a bottle-neck when used in conjunction with a high-end NVIDIA Pascal for gaming?

5) What resolution would you assume to be the "limit" for "ultra" next-gen gaming with a single high-end NVIDIA Pascal card for sufficient frame rates(GTX 1080 or equivalent specifically)?

 

[Knicks2012]

I think were gonna get a new brand with the HBM cards for Nvidia. We already have titan (black, x, z). Doesnt make sense for a titan A, B, YYZ. I hope we get something at CES and Im sure will get the cards before the summer.

 

[mr91]

I think Pascal is going to be a lot faster at the high end, mainly because it represents more of a paradigm shift. Not only the move to 16nm and HBM2, but also new architecture, including NVLink and twice as many transistors as Maxwell. Official word from Nvidia is that Pascal will be 10x faster than Maxwell, which we know is not going to happen, but still. Bottom line, is this is probably not a normal Kepler to Maxwell update, it could be something more significant.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2400163/gtc-2015-nvidias-next-gen-gpu-pascal-will-be-10-times-faster-than-maxwell
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-pascal-volta-gpus-sc15/

I agree! I think the architecture in theory can have 10x compute however my guess is the next flagship will be 2 x as powerful as the Titan X.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

10X faster what a joke.

 

[17seconds]

To be fair, here's the exact quote from the article:

"He announced that the upcoming GPU technology will offer roughly 10 times the performance of Maxwell-powered GPUs in terms processing power related to "deep learning" apps."

 

[RobCrezz]

Thats not unrealistic, recent nvidia gpus have not been great on the compute site, hence the old Fermi GTX 580 being the gpu of choice of nvidia based compute for quite a while.

 

[renz496]

people pay too much attention to that 10 times more performance lol. what's important is nvidia will be officially support FP16 in all their gpu with Pascal. right now only tegra x1 support FP16. the way i heard about it mobile gpu (SoC) has been using FP16 for a long time now. just that it is not commonly used by AMD and nvidia on the dekstop. and nvidia finds that stuff like machine learning are good enough to be done in FP16.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Thats not unrealistic, recent nvidia gpus have not been great on the compute site, hence the old Fermi GTX 580 being the gpu of choice of nvidia based compute for quite a while.

I found that the 560Ti got stomped on by the 660Ti which has in turn been kicked to the kerb by the 960, I'm only folding though so maybe they're better at something else.

 

[RobCrezz]

Thats not unrealistic, recent nvidia gpus have not been great on the compute site, hence the old Fermi GTX 580 being the gpu of choice of nvidia based compute for quite a while.

I found that the 560Ti got stomped on by the 660Ti which has in turn been kicked to the kerb by the 960, I'm only folding though so maybe they're better at something else.

Yeah good point to be fair, I should have specifically mentioned FP64 which was intentionally kerbed on kepler and maxwell I believe.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Thats not unrealistic, recent nvidia gpus have not been great on the compute site, hence the old Fermi GTX 580 being the gpu of choice of nvidia based compute for quite a while.

I found that the 560Ti got stomped on by the 660Ti which has in turn been kicked to the kerb by the 960, I'm only folding though so maybe they're better at something else.

Yeah good point to be fair, I should have specifically mentioned FP64 which was intentionally kerbed on kepler and maxwell I believe.

That's because they're "gaming" cards but they were/are still pretty good at OpenCL which is what the F@H client uses.

 

[RobCrezz]

Not cuda wps on nvidia cards on f@h?

 

[Mousemonkey]

Not cuda wps on nvidia cards on f@h?

Stanford moved to an OpenCL client a few years ago because the AMD faithful were complaining about the unfair advantage that Nvidia users had, unfortunately for them that advantage remains because AMD cards are also pants when it comes to dealing with an OpenCL app! :lol:

 

[SweMan574]

I have another question, will there be a new card with a price equal to the GTX 970? Because I was planning on buying that.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Chances are there will.

 

[renz496]

You mean pascal based card that will replace 970 price point? If you were talking price wise specifically i'm not sure if the next x70 will also priced at 330. Historically nvidia x70 card were priced at 350-400.

470: $350
570: $350
670: $400
770: $400
970: $330

Depending on how the situatuon is at launch nvidia might put x70 version of pascal at $400. Now in the past few days we just heard something interesting. Heard that AMD delaying FuryX2 launch to Q2 2016 instead of releasing them in Q4 this year as early planned. It could mean Artic Island will be delayed in Q3 or even Q4 2016. Now that nvidia pascal was rumored to come out as early as late Q1 2016. Knowing that AMD doesn't have anything to counter nvidia new line up nvidia could play with the price to increase their profit instead.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I don't believe Pascal is Q1, I see it being Q2 or Q3.

 

[renz496]

I think Pascal will come out in Q2. Q3 seems way too late for Pascal. Or at least nvidia probably going to launch Tesla based pascal first before launching geforce pascal in Q3. For sure they can't afford to be very late with tesla based pascal.

 

[mr91]

You mean pascal based card that will replace 970 price point? If you were talking price wise specifically i'm not sure if the next x70 will also priced at 330. Historically nvidia x70 card were priced at 350-400.

470: $350
570: $350
670: $400
770: $400
970: $330

Depending on how the situatuon is at launch nvidia might put x70 version of pascal at $400. Now in the past few days we just heard something interesting. Heard that AMD delaying FuryX2 launch to Q2 2016 instead of releasing them in Q4 this year as early planned. It could mean Artic Island will be delayed in Q3 or even Q4 2016. Now that nvidia pascal was rumored to come out as early as late Q1 2016. Knowing that AMD doesn't have anything to counter nvidia new line up nvidia could play with the price to increase their profit instead.

Good point however there could be many reasons for the price difference of the x70 series.
Such as competition, the strength of the USD and cost of manufacturing.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I am curious as to how they will release it. The GTX 970 and 980 came way before any other cards in August 2014, the 960 and 980Ti came far later, the 950 and even later.

The xx70 will be $400 guaranteed. The GTX 970 is their best selling of the 900 series, so I totally see them jacking up the price. I don't expect the xx70 to be the best price to performance this time around.

 

[mr91]

The 980 was released September 18 2014 However 1st gen maxwell was released feb 18 2014 as the 750 series.

 

[renz496]

Well feel free to speculate but sometimes things ends up nit like many have expected 😀

 

[mr91]

Absolutely & I think the pascal launch will be a suprise however I still think a Titan flagship variant will suface in the beginning whenever pascal is launched to tackle VR or provide better solution for it

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I can't stand how when it comes to GPUs, CPUs, and other PC parts, release dates are always a mystery. Yet, I do somewhat like that at the same time.

 

[sterlin22]

I can't stand how when it comes to GPUs, CPUs, and other PC parts, release dates are always a mystery. Yet, I do somewhat like that at the same time.

It's definitely painful, and causes me to agonize over the mystery of "what's the min/max thing to do, given my current rig, the new GPUs that have come out over the last couple of months, and the lack of information regarding the Pascal / next-gen AMD release dates and performance benchmarks?"

In the end I always come to one conclusion:

When in doubt, wait it out.

The longer you wait, the better off you are when it comes to PC upgrades. A harsh truth, as I love the idea of upgrading the rig right here and now, but we'll save more and get better performance the longer we wait.

 

[TechyInAZ]

I know what you mean. I personally am waiting to upgrade my monitor, graphics card, and corsair fans since there are new models coming out "soon" (ie. OLED monitors, Pascal, next gen corsair fans). The agony is that you have to rely on rumors, not actual facts. 🙁

 

[renz496]

Hence just upgrade your stuff when you need it instead of playing waiting games. Here is a fun fact: Pascal will come out in 2016. But there also talks about Pascal will be short lived as nvidia will have Volta ready in 2017 (they have supercomputer contract that has to be done in 2017 and it's confirm to use volta instead of pascal). So when pascal arrive next year will you wait for Volta instead? 😛