Some Preliminary Results of AMD Thuban @ 2.8GHz (OC'd too)

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But all of those are just things, Jenny - nobody actually has to purchase an iphone (and there are plenty of competitors), they can use Linux, AMD cpus, etc etc.

I'd bet the Tiananmen Square protestors would find your preoccupation with Intel, nVidia, MS, etc rather silly in comparison to their human rights complaints. Just because you may personally have it good in Scotland doesn't mean you should ignore large parts of the rest of the world by focusing in on some companies you disagree with.

You know, I support my wife's extended family in Vietnam to the tune of around $15K a year. That means the difference between a life of poverty and being able to rent a nice house, furniture, and send the youngest to good schools since the gov't over there doesn't offer much in the way of basic services such as clean hospitals or decent schools - you have to pay up front if you want an hospital bed instead of a mat on the floor, clean dressings, medicine, etc. Most of her family is decent and hard-working, but when the average monthly salary in Saigon is < $100, it's hard to afford the basics let alone necessities.

Anyway, just saying that there are far more important issues to get involved with than some cpu-making company with somewhat shady marketing that for some unknown reason you have developed a real hate for.
 


I did notice that correlation and although I initially did find it interesting... that was until I noticed that the two i7s there are different processor models/slightly different architectures (one is a Lynnfield while the other is a Bloomfield model). You can see that in other images available in the same thread on Xtremesystems (like this one: http://www.hkepc.com/forum/attachments/month_1004/10041322410cf3f312c6444d59.jpg)

Cinebench is either very sensitive to memory bandwidth or latency or maybe both (I don't recall which one to be honest). :)
 


That's a smokescreen and you fine well know it elmo. This is what bugs me most about you btw lol. 😀

Ok so Lynnfield performs a bit better because it has more memory? If AMD's '6 threads' has to beat intels '8 threads with better memory' in order to impress you, then you're asking a bit much don't you think?
 


Well your post was discussing processor scaling and you used an example of two different processing architectures to make a point (by that I mean Core i7 860 vs. Core i7 960). I am only pointing out that one cannot really derive valid observations (or formulate a conclusion) when one is using two different processing architectures to compare processor scaling.

I don't know how that counts as a smokescreen. I thought it to be a fair criticism.

I'm sure you know that to really impress me... AMD would have to release a processor which beats Intel's best. Thuban is a step forward... but it doesn't impress me (because as I said before... I've been running on similar performance for a year now).

Bulldozer... now that enthuses me.
 


A "future dictated by greedy corporations" is still far better than no future at all - see my previous post about supporting people directly where I can.

I have a friend at work, an older lady who had to flee south Vietnam during the fall in '75 with her husband who was an officer in the south Vietnamese army at the time. Luckily he flew the big Chinook helicopters so he was able to gather up all of his family and wife, and fly out to one of the US helicopter carriers. Otherwise he and most of his family would have been exterminated, the lucky ones sent to a "reeducation" camp (like what my mother-in-law, who had 4 young daughters at the time, was forced to endure even though her only "crime" was having a brother in the south Vietnamese army). Anyway, my friend eventually got her US citizenship and a well-paid job, so she considers it her duty to help the less fortunate in her home village. She will arrange for a contractor to build a small but nice concrete house with indoor plumbing for someone, once or twice a year. She does this because she has no immediate family left alive now, whereas my wife does.

Even though I make an above-average salary, I've got a daughter in college and a 3-yr-old son, plus my wife's mother who is not in the best of health, to look after, so I drive a cheap Honda to work instead of a Lexus so that we can continue to support my wife's family back home as well. To me, this is far more beneficial to my "karma" than flaming on forums about CPU companies.

Anyway, there are lots of things one person can do, to provide direct help and comfort to others in need. You just have to look for them, is all..
 


And if AMD dies out, Linux too? Do you remember rejoicing at AMD hitting $1.62 over a year ago fazers? I do - I remember you rejoicing at it.

I'd bet the Tiananmen Square protestors would find your preoccupation with Intel, nVidia, MS, etc rather silly in comparison to their human rights complaints. Just because you may personally have it good in Scotland doesn't mean you should ignore large parts of the rest of the world by focusing in on some companies you disagree with.

I'm not ignoring it, however I have no means of making any kind of difference.

You know, I support my wife's extended family in Vietnam to the tune of around $15K a year. That means the difference between a life of poverty and being able to rent a nice house, furniture, and send the youngest to good schools since the gov't over there doesn't offer much in the way of basic services such as clean hospitals or decent schools - you have to pay up front if you want an hospital bed instead of a mat on the floor, clean dressings, medicine, etc. Most of her family is decent and hard-working, but when the average monthly salary in Saigon is < $100, it's hard to afford the basics let alone necessities.

The problem I have with you fazers is - you would still have these people spend more on intel cpu's if they had it. Think about that.

Anyway, just saying that there are far more important issues to get involved with than some cpu-making company with somewhat shady marketing that for some unknown reason you have developed a real hate for.

There isn't. My dislike of intel is the dislike I have for any corporation who treats us like sheep. Note I'm not talking about myself here, because clearly I am free of that influence. I make decisions based on morality and logic, and I am completely immune to advertising and fashion.

Why are so many AMD fanboys/girls so aggressive? This is what it feels like to be doing the right thing no matter the consequences Fazers. People like myself, Baron Matrix, KeithLM and others are driven by this need to help set you and others free. I would bet you anything that all three of us would say the same thing (I don't know either of them but I would assume so) - it's not about supporting AMD, it's about harming intel so we can all reap the benefits.
 

:lol: All 3 of you are in desperate need of psychiatric treatment.

The way you view so many things is perverse and ludicrous.

In your crazy world's, you have magnified Intel's "wrong doings" by ridiculous amounts and are blind to AMD's failings, thus it is impossible to have meaningful rational conversations with any of you in a consistent manner.

Oh sure you might appear rational occasionally, but then you must forget to take your medication or just get drunk again.

In your list of superstars, don't forget your spiritual leader Sigh02/ZootyGay.
 
See this is what I mean. 😉

It doesn't matter how civil the conversation can get - there will always be one complete and utter moron who is out to ruin it. Now imagine me being civil over and over in every single thread...and one or two intel fanboy morons who are out to ruin it...

Every. Single. Thread.



Step up Chad, once again you are that moron. But that's ok, I'm sure I'll be the one who gets banned in the end :)
 


You had to ruin it when everyone was just finding common ground. 🙁
 

What other manufacturer of goods do you strive to sully in people's eyes besides Intel?
 

Don't kid yourself.

Jenny is not going to change a lifetime of irrational Intel hate, just because you guys are asking her to. :ange:
 


Who kidding who? :heink:

As for asking change, i dont see anyone asking her to do anything..... Looks like to me Elmo was finding coming things between Him and Her. Which make better understanding between two parties.



 

Which he will find to be a fruitless and pointless exercise because Elmo is interested in honest discussion of technology and Jenny has an agenda to push.

There ain't no common ground there.

It doesn't matter if you don't agree with me today, in three months time(or less), you will see Jenny will be just as irrational as ever.
 


You really haven't been following the conversation have you?

I already said that I will never give up my dislike of intel. That isn't up for discussion and never will be.
 

Oh but I have, it is the others who can't see you for what you are that haven't been paying enough attention.
 


I'm guessing he didn't read.
 


Or have we? Maybe you just looking things way beyond what they need to be.

You know, live in the now. Not the past nor the future.
 

It doesn't take Nostradamus to work out what every "now" with Jenny is going to be like, forever more.
 
Harming Intel so we can benefit instead of just going with the better product? Thats like harming Google so Yahoo can benefit when in fact Google still is one of the best search engines out there. That logic is absurd.

Harming Intel wont benefit anyone. What about all the people intel employs? You want to harm Intel and then have those people who work hard lose their jobs?

The best thing is seeing what offers the best performance in your price range. Its like Fermi. Its expensive (not much more than a HD5870) and performs only a little better. But its with early drivers. Over time that will improve and possibly offer better value. Hell its SLI scaling with the stock drivers is impressive.

Trying to harm a company to benefit yourself is just selfish. In the end it will benefit you maybe, but also harm others. I don't want to see people lose their jobs. I don't want to see AMD go down. I am happy AMD is executing better but they really do need to step it up because in truth with or without the Intel Dell deal, AMD is what holds us behind. Sure they have a cheap 6 core, but its performance is not impressive enough and it doesn't pound even current Core i7s. Intel has delayed its products by 1-2 quarters because they are too far ahead of AMD.

There are people who will buy out of loyalty, I do for Asus, Corsair and Seagate since they have been great to me. But there are the majority of us (myself, elmo and a few others) who look at it from a price perspective. If I budget $200 for my CPU, which one gives me the best performance? Intel or AMD? If its Intel, whats the problem with that? Should I just go AMD and lower my potential performance? Why would I do that? SHould I have bought a GTX260 thats on par with a HD4870? I went with the HD4870 because I don't spend more than $200 on a GPU these days hence why I don't have a HD5870 yet.

Its kinda funny though. This thread started fine. People were discussing it. You came and that all changed. And you get banned because you consitently insult people. Even if they are petty kid style insults it is against the TOS and you get warned and banned temporarily. Considering how many times I would think you would have learned not to call people idiots, stupid or morons for not falling in line with AMD.

Then again some people never learn.
 
The really amazing thing about that last comment Chad is you still have the same sig.

I really hope it appalls you lol, but you are just like me, except backing the wrong side. You are just as offensive to the AMD crowd as I am to the intel crowd. 😀
 

Only a dumb person would think we are the same.

If AMD produces better chips than Intel, I would happily buy one if I am in the market for a new computer.

You on the other hand only through gritted teeth and because the Phenom was so bad, went with a Q6600.

By the way, the idiots on AMDZone were arguing that the Phenom was better than the Q6600. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 


IIRC it was $1.63 😛. However my remarks were directed at how inept AMD's management (namely Hector Ruiz) was, with his marketshare-at-all-costs philosophy. Not to mention sitting on their butts back when they had the technical lead over Intel. To understand somebody's viewpoint, you really have to follow it instead of looking at just a few posts. Plus my attitude is more akin to a reaction over the Barcelona disappointment - made me go out and buy a Q6700 instead :kaola: . I haven't permanently given up on AMD, despite what you think.

I'd bet the Tiananmen Square protestors would find your preoccupation with Intel, nVidia, MS, etc rather silly in comparison to their human rights complaints. Just because you may personally have it good in Scotland doesn't mean you should ignore large parts of the rest of the world by focusing in on some companies you disagree with.

I'm not ignoring it, however I have no means of making any kind of difference.

But you do. Everybody here who can afford a gaming rig just for purely selfish entertainment, can afford to make a small difference. Everybody. Even if it's just giving $20 or so a month to a decent (!) charitable organization. And the exclamation point means to do some research and not contribute to those organizations where they skim off the bulk of the funds so that just a trickle finds its way to the needy.

You know, last time I was in Vietnam, we came across a bunch of Cambodian refugees begging in one of the Saigon streets. Most of the Vietnamese, I hate to say, would cross the street or look the other way. But I also understood that when you can barely support yourself, you probably cannot help the even more needy, despite being embarrassed about it. Anyway, I insisted that the taxi driver go round the traffic circle again so that I could hand out the 2 or 3 hundred thousand dong ($10 or $15) that I had on me. Yeah, I know the parents probably dirtied up their kid's faces to make them look even more needy, but if you could see the hungry yet vacant stare in their faces, you'd still sympathize.

I've traveled fairly extensively and even lived in Europe for 3 years as a teen, and have come to personally realize the "7 degrees of separation" adage is quite true - we're all related to each other by an average of 7 ancestral generations...

You know, I support my wife's extended family in Vietnam to the tune of around $15K a year. That means the difference between a life of poverty and being able to rent a nice house, furniture, and send the youngest to good schools since the gov't over there doesn't offer much in the way of basic services such as clean hospitals or decent schools - you have to pay up front if you want an hospital bed instead of a mat on the floor, clean dressings, medicine, etc. Most of her family is decent and hard-working, but when the average monthly salary in Saigon is < $100, it's hard to afford the basics let alone necessities.

The problem I have with you fazers is - you would still have these people spend more on intel cpu's if they had it. Think about that.

LOL - obviously you have not seen my in-laws 😛. Whenever I come to visit, it's "mot-hai-ba-YO!!" (One-two-three-DRINK!) time... I don't think I have ever even said the word "Intel" once during my many visits. Even if I did, they wouldn't understand me. The only prosetylizing I may have done is giving the eldest brother an old Dell laptop, and I seriously doubt he knew what kind of CPU it had. Seriously, I'm much more interested in learning the history and and culture and customs of the places I visit, not some silly CPU war.

Anyway, just saying that there are far more important issues to get involved with than some cpu-making company with somewhat shady marketing that for some unknown reason you have developed a real hate for.

There isn't. My dislike of intel is the dislike I have for any corporation who treats us like sheep. Note I'm not talking about myself here, because clearly I am free of that influence. I make decisions based on morality and logic, and I am completely immune to advertising and fashion.

Why are so many AMD fanboys/girls so aggressive? This is what it feels like to be doing the right thing no matter the consequences Fazers. People like myself, Baron Matrix, KeithLM and others are driven by this need to help set you and others free. I would bet you anything that all three of us would say the same thing (I don't know either of them but I would assume so) - it's not about supporting AMD, it's about harming intel so we can all reap the benefits.

Well if that's your self-appointed mission in life, so be it. Myself, I consider it a bit on the dubious side. However one could make the argument that helping those who would probably die off and leave more for the rest of us, is not a worthy goal. Or one could argue that humanity should do both - help the less fortunate plus advance the standard of living for the fortunate, on the theory that the first preserves what makes us human while the 2nd eventually benefits all.

I hold Intel in fairly high regard because they invented the general-purpose CPU (the 4004), and have done far more to advance the personal computer industry that any other company I can think of, with the remotely possible exception of Microsoft. If it weren't for Intel, very few of us would be here on Tom's expounding on our world views to the detriment and boredom of our fellow posters :kaola: .
 


Ah the inbuilt paradox. It does amuse me this one.

You are backing intel all the way, yet saying intel is deliberately holding back progress because of AMD's relative ineptitude.

So lets say intel perfects this, and keeps AMD at a constant state of being just behind - never enough to seriously threaten intel, but just enough to never go under.

That sounds like a ripe situation for abuse to me, and it seems like you are supportive of that jimmy. So intel can hold back AMD through a lack of funds, while holding back progress because AMD can't compete due to the same lack of funds? What better way to keep chalking up $billions more?

Yep Jimmy, I always knew you were the most dangerous of them all, because you support this gladly.
 


LOL - I was expecting everyone to break out in e-kissing, or some such! :kaola:

At least hold virtual hands and sing a couple stanzas of Kumbaya:

Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, the Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

Of course, we'll have to keep a close eye on Rick & Jenny - I detect some hotness between those two! 😀