Sony Says Make Restore Discs Yourself

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norfindel

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It's pretty common with the low-cost notebooks in Argentina.

A few months ago, i was creating a set of 2 recovery DVDs for a Compaq notebook. The process took the ridiculously long time of 4 hours!!!
I don't even know how is that someone can make such a shitty application, taking into account that the recovery partition is on the machine's HDD. I would gladly accept that the recovery disks were present as images taking storage on the machine, instead of waiting such amounts of time.
 
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We purchase HP XW workstations at work and they have not come with Recovery CD's for a while now. We were told that Microsoft no longer wanted these included with the systems and that we need to create our own restore set.
 
This isn't anything new, HP haven't offered recovery discs for nearly 6 years.

Not like I ever use the recovery discs anyway, I install a fresh copy of whatever Windows I'm using with a legit workaround.
 

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I bought a Dell and a Toshiba in December, both came with disks.

I would say that Sony is "penny wise and pound foolish", and that is a premium-priced computer.
 

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It's been this way for awhile, and a restore partition doesn't help if the drive dies.

What always confused me is I always thought part of the OEM Windows license was that the OS disc had to ship with the PC it was installed on.

Isn't this stuff illegal from a license perspective?

Also some desktops, like Acer, don't even ship with extra drive cage mounts or drive bay covers. You need to order them separate.
 

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yea its been that way for a while, but i think it came with the rise of putting a second partition on the hard disk as a system restore
 

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Most major brands of computers don't come with restore discs. HP, Compaq, and EMachines haven't had restore discs for years.
 

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At least that's how it's always been.
Since when? HP and Compaq quit shipping restore discs with laptops that had CD/DVD burners in them years ago. Instead, they shipped a blank disc(s) for you to create your own back-up when you complete your initial setup. The last HP or Compaq we got in this house that actually came with restore discs only had a CD-ROM in it, not a burner. The fact that it had a mobile Pentium 3 in it should be a clear indication of it's age.
 
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Most manufacturers of laptops have been doing this for years, HP has been doing it for 3+ years now. It's nothing new in the laptop market and I'm sure has nothing to do with the current economy.
 

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I am a retail employee, so I can vouch for the fact that only dell and apple still include restore disks with their computers, at least with computer brands sold at something that rhymes with Test Guy.
 

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Most of you guys are uninformed for working at best buy, the blue label special comes with restore discs for hp and toshiba, the only other manufacturers taht come with restore cds that best buy sells are dell, apple, Asus. thats it.
 

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I think most people who post comments here think the world only exists for them, and forget that a lot of people buy computers to do things with them, and not just to buy a computer. Many of them may not have technical abilities with computers, just like most of the people here drive a car, but wouldn't know how to change the transmission, install shocks, or replace a head gasket. Yet you use the car. Why be so hard on them?

I get calls from family/friends who buy PoS computers from bottom feeding companies like Dell, HP and Sony. By the time I am talking to them, it's often too late to create backup disks. They buy computers to do their jobs, and they know a lot more about their jobs than I do, so I am not so quick to judge them on their technical abilities, and get upset with them. I get annoyed with these half-rate companies that are too cheap to provide people with these inexpensive disks.

The computer field has changed. 20 years ago the typical computer user was a computer user. Now, virtually everyone uses a computer. The technical expertise of the typical user is consequently a lot lower. And you can judge the users as incompetent, but until you know how to change crystals to overclock, or cut electrical paths and run trace wires to do upgrades, you would be judged much the same way 20 years ago. So, be easy on the people who buy these things, it's not their job to know computers, it's just a tool they use to do their job. Just like you use a car, but can't change a timing belt (most of us, anyway).

Discs should be included with a laptop. Anything less is a disservice to the customer.
 

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Let me put it to some of you this way:

Computers in this day and age don't come with restore discs. They haven't for years, and I've worked at two major retail electronics stores. Instead they will give every hard drive a restore partition for the users to create the discs themselfs. The reasoning is not DVD costs, is labor costs. A Geek Squad recovery disc creation is sold at $39.99 and takes anywhere from 3-5 hours depending on the PC. It is also not a simple matter of shoving a disc in the drawer and going outside to sunbathe. You have to follow a few prompts much like you do during a Windows installation. You basically have to babysit it. Now while the company who makes the laptops will obviously do it much cheaper (for an example lets just say its $20 for Sony to do it), imagine how much money would be saved by keeping $20 for every single laptop produced at the factory. Even if it was just one model of laptop, manufacture for only a month. That's huge savings. Is it at the users inconvenience? Absolutely. Should they give you the discs? Yes. Will they? No. More and more companies are jumping off the "free accessories" bandwagon every year. Just last year Toshiba gave a pair of restore DVD's in every box. They stopped doing that as of January 2009. The only two brands sold retail that give you discs are now Dell and Asus, that's it.

As far as people who use computers not being required to be competent, that's not really a lot to ask of companies. I see one of the latest commenters mentioned that just because you have a car doesn't mean you need to know how to change a timing belt. That's absolutely correct, because you have mechanics to do it for you. The mechanic profession has lasted for hundreds of years, and various car repair chains have lasted for decades. With computer hardware, that isn't so. Only people lucky enough to have a Geek Squad or EasyTech desk in their area have the luxury of having other people do your work for you. And you know what? As much as I hate to glorify retail sales: Customers spit in your face at the mere idea of charing them labor to do their work for them, even if it's guarenteed, even if we're sure they're stupid and aren't adept enough to do it themselfs, etc.

Believe it or not, a lot of retail sales people (yes even supervisors and managers) are humans too, not sharks who smell blood in the water. If I ever contacted a customer who obviously could install anti-virus himself, I could probably talk him into letting the store techs do it for him for $29.99. I didn't. Instead I gave the customer a good feeling about coming to me to buy all of his electronics by telling him he can save money by following the setup wizard, and instead having him and his friends use us for more complex tasks. This helps to strengthen customer relationships and give them the feeling that we actually care if they like us when they shop with us. In a good retail store, the solution that's best for the customer is NOT always the one that makes the company money. But by the same token, anybody with business sense knows that a good experience leads to trust and willingness to buy more fine products from the same fine people.

Coming back the technical expertise though, I've seen a lot of stupid things. I've seen people who vacuum their computers, people who block heat vents with fabric, people who have actual bug nests inside their desktops, clueless kids who download porn viruses, games with trojans and people who simply just don't take our advice because of stupid column writers in magazines like Consumer Reports, and end up worse off because of it. And guess who they come back to blame? The companies who make the merchandice and the people who sell it.

Should you have to know every aspect of internals like pin configurations, jumper settings and bios readings? No. But should you have a basic understanding of the "rules of the road"? I think so. It takes a license to drive doesn't it? Why arent there manditory courses for you to take before being able to use a computer on the largest information superhighway of all? The internet. That's one hell of a reference, I know. But I think it makes perfect sense. There are "rules" that need to be taught and abided by.
 

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[citation][nom]tenor77[/nom]Well MS should be loving this policy."But I had Windows on there already. Why do I have to buy it again?"So what percentage of users do you think do this without being prompted?[/citation]
Of course you don't have to buy it. What counts is the sticker with serial number on the bottom of the laptop.
I didn't event bother creating such recovery disc and did a clean reinstall of Vista using the serial key (just get the installation DVD from ANYWHERE - I got mine downloaded via friend's MSDN subscription). Toshibas come preinstalled with load of crap.
 

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I laugh at recovery disc. Old wanky drivers. I prefers to do it the manual way. Not everyone can though. I guess cost cutting have to go somewhere. Next time you drop a laptop and later on it doesn't work then you know where the cost cutting is. Drop my 5.6lb Asus lappy on wood floor and nothing is worng beside a few minor scratches. I wouldn't say that to the rest of the brand specially the thin and ultra portable ones.
 

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ThinkPads still come with recovery discs.

And yes, the "shock" of a NO recovery discs is funny! Geez, its been years since most companies stop doing that. They (including Dell, Lenovo) and most others use recover partitions as its faster and more up todate. Of course the big problem is when the HD itself dies... ops!

The other reason that manufactures don't want to deal with Recovery discs is that those discs are made weeks or months in advanced... if an update or change is made while the PC is on the line - the recovery discs become out-dated and perhaps incompatible... and have to be thrown away.

But the problem with Home-made recovery discs (Usually takes about 1hr argh!) is that DVD-R and CD-Rs have a limited life span. They can start to go corrupt within a few months after burning. So a year or so later, your recover discs are completely useless!

The other thing is that almost everyone has an internet connections and the drivers are downloadable. But what about the OS disc?

Thats the easiest thing they SHOULD all do... include an OS disc and basic drivers - enough to get the product to go online and get more drivers.
 
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Why this was published in the news in THG? This is a story by somebody who has nothing to do with personal computers. All laptops come without restore disks these days and it was like that for year. What, now every idiot, who got out of a cave and sees a laptop for the fist time in his life will publish here? Or may be it's just tolling. Well, it got me.
 

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I think it's quite crap really, OEM's offloading their costs onto consumers once again. Technically a customer is only paying for the licence so that's how they get around it. but it's like buying a car only to find out you have to pay for the manual as an extra OR ordering a cappucino and having to pay for choclate sprinkles!!!!!
 

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This is nothing new. My Sony VGN-150 from a couple years back didn't come with recovery disks either...just a CD seleve reminding me to make a backup...plus there was a recovery sector on the drive.
 
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This is old news.
My Sony Vaio is from 2006, and neither came with recovery disks!
There is a recovery partition, but it is useless if the OS fails to boot!

I wrote the recovery DVD's (2; 1,5 DVD'a to be exact), and removed the recovery partition. It gave me an additional 6GB of HD space.

It's an additional $25 you save if Sony writes them,and costs you only $4 for the 2 DVD's and about 30minutes to burn them.
 

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My Acer came the same way but needed 2 DVD, 4 DVD for sony says tons of crapware to me. I made the recovery disks in case I ever want to put Millennium II back on but the drive was wiped for Linux, no dual boot.
 

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when companies do this, it means go f... yourself. when people buy stuff, they don't really care for these things, they want to set everything up and start playing, not start doing the work that was suppose to be already done for you when you bought the machine.

this means it isn't about the consumer but about the company first then the consumer. this has nothing to do with the economy as several have mentioned that this practice was done years before the recession.

so what are you waiting for, go f... yourself for buying electronics from these type of companies.
 

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[citation][nom]ta152h[/nom]I think most people who post comments here think the world only exists for them, and forget that a lot of people buy computers to do things with them, and not just to buy a computer. Many of them may not have technical abilities with computers, just like most of the people here drive a car, but wouldn't know how to change the transmission, install shocks, or replace a head gasket. Yet you use the car. Why be so hard on them? I get calls from family/friends who buy PoS computers from bottom feeding companies like Dell, HP and Sony. By the time I am talking to them, it's often too late to create backup disks. They buy computers to do their jobs, and they know a lot more about their jobs than I do, so I am not so quick to judge them on their technical abilities, and get upset with them. I get annoyed with these half-rate companies that are too cheap to provide people with these inexpensive disks.The computer field has changed. 20 years ago the typical computer user was a computer user. Now, virtually everyone uses a computer. The technical expertise of the typical user is consequently a lot lower. And you can judge the users as incompetent, but until you know how to change crystals to overclock, or cut electrical paths and run trace wires to do upgrades, you would be judged much the same way 20 years ago. So, be easy on the people who buy these things, it's not their job to know computers, it's just a tool they use to do their job. Just like you use a car, but can't change a timing belt (most of us, anyway). Discs should be included with a laptop. Anything less is a disservice to the customer.[/citation]

this guy knows. it proves the point, company first, customers last.
i hope people who agreed that having the restore disc not included a good thing enjoy the f...ing from these companies.
 
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