Star Wars: The Old Republic: PC Performance, Benchmarked

[Headspin_69]

First, you're quoting a 2-year old article. The PC world moves pretty fast.

Second, you're high if you think an overclocked 955 is on par with a stock i5-2500K.

You seem to think you know more than someone who does this for a living, so argue with the evidence:

StarCraft II: Phenom II X4 970 beaten by stock Core i3-2120
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,review-32128-8.html

Skyrim: Phenom II X4 and X6 at 3 GHz beaten by Core i3 @ 3 GHz, 3.0 GHz i5-2500 kicks major ass:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skyrim-performance-benchmark,3074-9.html

Deus Ex: Human Revolution: Dual core too slow, Core i3 at 3 GHz same as Phenom II X4 and X6, 3.0 GHz i5-2500 kicks major ass:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deus-ex-human-revolution-performance-benchmark,3012-7.html

Crysis 2: Dual Core can't even manage 20 FPS minimum:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-2-directx-11-performance,2983-8.html

And don't try cherry picked, this is only 4 of the last 6 reviews I've done.

Are you still going to argue that a 4 GHz Core 2 Duo can max out any game? Or that a Phenom II X4 955 can game as fast as the i5-2500K, when it struggles to perform on par with a similarly clocked Core i3?

The i5-2500K is in a different class entirely. Deal with it, and move on Bro.

Once again you have cherry picked all the current CPU intensive games on the market and they all play fine on a PII 955 chip which is why people are still building with PII chips for gaming rigs. I could make a list that goes on for pages of all the current and past games that run great on a PII 955 chip.

 

[markvenom]

1. The tester/reviewer is WoW Pro biased. It shines through all sorts of wording. Not sure why folks would not embrace the new king on the MMO hill. Just silly really.
2. To the reviewer: Have you actually spent ANY time past level 15-20? I didn't think so. LOL
3. What is that about the hardware specs? You looser. Sorry but that was just LYING to the public. The game runs fine at a playable 40FPS(crowded outdoors) to a smooth 50-60FPS (instancing) with a Quad9450 @ stock speed with a single HD5850. Runs at 100+FPS at 98% of the time on my SLI GTX570s with an i7-2600k.
4. To anyone: Just ignore this review. Trust that your 1-2 year old rig can play the game, that it is plain FUN and you get your money's worth over and over. And the feel is just awesome. Boom sucka!!

Peace.

 

[Headspin_69]

[citation][nom]markvenom[/nom]1. The tester/reviewer is WoW Pro biased. It shines through all sorts of wording. Not sure why folks would not embrace the new king on the MMO hill. Just silly really.2. To the reviewer: Have you actually spent ANY time past level 15-20? I didn't think so. LOL3. What is that about the hardware specs? You looser. Sorry but that was just LYING to the public. The game runs fine at a playable 40FPS(crowded outdoors) to a smooth 50-60FPS (instancing) with a Quad9450 @ stock speed with a single HD5850. Runs at 100+FPS at 98% of the time on my SLI GTX570s with an i7-2600k. 4. To anyone: Just ignore this review. Trust that your 1-2 year old rig can play the game, that it is plain FUN and you get your money's worth over and over. And the feel is just awesome. Boom sucka!!Peace.[/citation]
This SWTOR looks to me like an all around great game and personally I like the art direction but some people think we need an i5 2500K @ 4ghz to play games smoothly but from what I am seeing my GTX 275 and Phenom II x2 555 @ 3.8ghz should max this game out @ 60fps 95% of the time no problem.

 

[markvenom]

Probably not 60fps but it will be playable depending on detail level chosen.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]Headspin_69[/nom]Once again you have cherry picked all the current CPU intensive games on the market and they all play fine on a PII 955 chip which is why people are still building with PII chips for gaming rigs. I could make a list that goes on for pages of all the current and past games that run great on a PII 955 chip.[/citation]

Cherry picked? I just showed the majority of recent game reviews. Majority does not = cherry picking.

There's an obvious and clear trend in gaming to use more IPC. I can see it, everyone who pays attention to CPU usage in games for the past year can see it. It's inevitable. If you want to call that cherry picking, I can't help you. You've pre-decided that the CPU doesn't matter, no matter how much evidence there is to show you that the truth is otherwise.

The Phenoms cannot hack high settings in a lot of games. I never said they're useless, I said they're limited at high settings and the i5 series kills them.

People using them for gaming systems doesn't prove that they aren't a gaming bottleneck, I'm not sure what logic you're using there. It might suggest that they're a good budget choice though, and I don't disagree with that.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]markvenom[/nom]1. The tester/reviewer is WoW Pro biased. It shines through all sorts of wording.[/citation]

Um... no. I did nothing but praise the game. I think it's better than WoW, actually. I just don't think it's the second coming of the MMO christ.

I'm amazed at how many fanboys get upset if you don't say this game is the BEST EVAR!!!!!

[citation][nom]markvenom[/nom]2. To the reviewer: Have you actually spent ANY time past level 15-20? I didn't think so. LOL[/citation]

To you: Yes. Um... LOL?

[citation][nom]markvenom[/nom] What is that about the hardware specs? You looser. Sorry but that was just LYING to the public. The game runs fine at a playable 40FPS(crowded outdoors) to a smooth 50-60FPS (instancing) with a Quad9450 @ stock speed with a single HD5850. Runs at 100+FPS at 98% of the time on my SLI GTX570s with an i7-2600k. [/citation]

It's funny you would use the term 'loser'. That suggests that you feel personally insulted at the results, and that your self esteem is tied to this game. That is kind of sad, but whatever works for you. You do have my pity though, for what its worth.

I also find it interesting that you quote results without having performed the same benchmark I have. FYI, did you know that quoting results is useless unless A) you actually take them, and B) you replicate the conditions of the experiment?

Just as a side note... the 5850 is a bit faster than the 6850, and in my tests I showed the 6850 got 46 min FPS/65 avg FPS, max detail , no AA, at 1920x1080. That's really close to your results, chief. I don't even doubt your 570's in SLI average over 100 FPS.

You've spent a lot of time raging, and accusing us of lying. But your own results validate what we've done.

I see a lot of humor in that, how about you?

[citation][nom]markvenom[/nom]4. To anyone: Just ignore this review. Trust that your 1-2 year old rig can play the game, that it is plain FUN and you get your money's worth over and over. And the feel is just awesome. Boom sucka!!Peace.[/citation]

To you: the review is approaching a million viewers fast, and your comment just reached three. BOOM SUCKA! Peace bro.

 

[Headspin_69]

[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]First, you're quoting a 2-year old article. The PC world moves pretty fast. Second, you're high if you think an overclocked 955 is on par with a stock i5-2500K in todays games.You seem to think you know more than someone who does this for a living, so argue with the evidence:StarCraft II: Phenom II X4 970 beaten by stock Core i3-2120http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best [...] 128-8.htmlSkyrim: Phenom II X4 and X6 at 3 GHz beaten by Core i3 @ 3 GHz, 3.0 GHz i5-2500 kicks major ass:http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 074-9.htmlDeus Ex: Human Revolution: Dual core too slow, Core i3 at 3 GHz same as Phenom II X4 and X6, 3.0 GHz i5-2500 kicks major ass:http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 012-7.htmlCrysis 2: Dual Core can't even manage 20 FPS minimum:http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 983-8.htmlAnd don't try cherry picked, this is only 4 of the last 6 reviews I've done. I barely had to look.Are you still going to argue that a 4 GHz Core 2 Duo can max out any game? Or that a Phenom II X4 955 can game as fast as the i5-2500K, when it struggles to perform on par with a similarly clocked Core i3?The i5-2500K is in a different class entirely. Deal with it, and move on Bro.[/citation]

To all them busted CPU benchmark games you listed they are busted on an Intel Chip just like they are busted on an AMD Chip and I still fail to see how a min framerate of well under 60fps for both Intel and AMD is somehow playable on INTEL but not AMD they are both busted because of poor CODING. On the other hand DeusX played at a smooth 60fps locked V-Synch on my AMD based rig so how is that any less playable than an INTEL base rig LOL.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]Headspin_69[/nom]To all them busted CPU benchmark games you listed they are busted on an Intel Chip just like they are busted on an AMD Chip[/citation]

Wow, you're a moving target!

First, you say a Core 2 Duo will max out any game
Then you say if it's overclocked to 4 GHz...
Then you say a Phenom II X2 555 will...
Then you say, if the dormant cores are unlocked...
Then, you say I'm cherry picking games...
Then, you say the games are busted on AMD chips...

Geez. That's a lot of changing going on there.

Unfortunately, none of it has anything to do with the fact that an i5-2500K will destroy the Phenom II X4 955/X2 555/Core 2 Duo in a very obvious way when it comes to gaming in many titles, as demonstrated in minimum frame rates in the benchmarks provided.

 

[Headspin_69]

[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]Wow, you're a moving target!First, you say a Core 2 Duo will max out any gameThen you say a Phenom II X2 555 will...Then you say, if the dormant cores are unlocked...Then, you say I'm cherry picking games...Then, you say the games are busted on AMD chips...Geez. That's a lot of changing going on there.Unfortunately, none of it has anything to do with the fact that an i5-2500K will destroy the Phenom II 955 in a very obvious way when it comes to gaming.[/citation]
V-Sync 60fps on INTEL is the same as V-Sync 60fps on AMD and trust me it is not smoother on Intel at the parameters I have outlined LOL and the game I play are all running fine on my AMD Dragon Platform that I paid in total $500 Canadian for.

 

[cleeve]

V-Sync 60fps on INTEL is the same as V-Sync 60fps on AMD and trust me it is not smoother on Intel at the parameters I have outlined LOL and the game I play are all running fine on my AMD Dragon Platform that I paid in total $500 Canadian for.

Sorry, I should have added VSYNC to your list of excuses and changes up there.

You do, of course, realize that even if you have Vsync enabled: when the frame rate drops below 60 it doesn't magically keep pushing out 60 FPS?

And in the case of The Phenom II/Core 2 Duo, there are a lot of times that the frame rate drops below 30 FPS in modern games at high detail?

But in the case of the i5-2500K that doesn't happen.

So what you're saying makes no sense according to the benchmark evidence I provided.

You know that, right?

EDIT: I think maybe you're not understanding what i'm saying here. I'm not saying that the Phenom II X4 sucks. It's a great budget gaming CPU. What I'm saying is, the i5-2500K is notably better, you dig? You will notice the difference. Where the Phenom II X4 will lag, the i5-2500K won't, you see what I'm saying?

 

[Headspin_69]

Sorry, I should have added VSYNC to your list of excuses and changes up there.

You do, of course, realize that even if you have Vsync enabled: when the frame rate drops below 60 it doesn't magically keep pushing out 60 FPS?

And in the case of The Phenom II/Core 2 Duo, there are a lot of times that the frame rate drops below 30 FPS in modern games at high detail?

But in the case of the i5-2500K that doesn't happen.

So what you're saying makes no sense according to the benchmark evidence I provided.

You know that, right?

EDIT: I think maybe you're not understanding what i'm saying here. I'm not saying that the Phenom II X4 sucks. It's a great budget gaming CPU. What I'm saying is, the i5-2500K is notably better, you dig? You will notice the difference. Where the Phenom II X4 will lag, the i5-2500K won't, you see what I'm saying?

Some games I play maxed out settings on my AMD Phenom II based rig that never drop below 60fps on maxed out settings include MW2, MW3, WoW, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Left 4 Dead, LOTRO, Mafia II, Portal 2, FEAR 3, RAGE, DC Universe, DeusX Human Revolution, CSS, TRINE, Hard Reset, etc and all other games are playable on max settings 1680x1050.

 

[clonazepam]

No problems with MSI Afterburner's screenshots and video captures today with retail, they're scaled properly to 16:9... umm .. yay.

 

[venur]

Anyone else feel like that below 50 avg FPS for a 500$ card seem a bit low ? I mean even BF3 have bether results.

 

[cleeve]

Some games I play maxed out settings on my AMD Phenom II based rig that never drop below 60fps on maxed out settings include MW2, MW3, WoW, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Left 4 Dead, LOTRO, Mafia II, Portal 2, FEAR 3, RAGE, DC Universe, DeusX Human Revolution, CSS, TRINE, Hard Reset, etc and all other games are playable on max settings 1680x1050.

I guess I could cherry pick the easy games, too (although I don't necessarily agree all of those games would run on a 955 without dipping below 30 FPS at times).

If you have the i5-2500K, thoguh, you don't have to worry about cherry picking games: it works with everything without dropping frames when things get tough.

Which is my point.

 

[Headspin_69]

[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]I guess I could cherry pick the easy games, too (although I don't necessarily agree all of those games would run on a 955 without dipping below 30 FPS at times). If you have the i5-2500K, thoguh, you don't have to worry about cherry picking games: it works with everything without dropping frames when things get tough.Which is my point.[/citation]
LOL then you have must have been gaming on a GTS 250 with that Phenom II 955 for it to drop to low framrates LOL

 

[cleeve]

LOL then you have must have been gaming on a GTS 250 with that Phenom II 955 for it to drop to low framrates LOL

I have a hard time you're being serious. You saw some of the benches I linked to, right?

Are you paying attention to the information out there? Your responses seem like you simply ignore evidence that doesn't support what you already believe.

 

[Headspin_69]

I have a hard time you're being serious. You saw some of the benches I linked to, right?

Are you paying attention to the information out there? Your responses seem like you simply ignore evidence that doesn't support what you already believe.

The only evidence I need is I own a Phenom II 955 and use it with a GTX 275 and I was just playing MW2 a min ago @ V-Synch locked framerate 60fps and it never dips below 60fps ever on maxed setting plus full AA/AF peace out TTYL.

 

[cleeve]

The only evidence I need is I own a Phenom II 955 and use it with a GTX 275 and I was just playing MW2 a min ago @ V-Synch locked framerate 60fps and it never dips below 60fps ever on maxed setting plus full AA/AF peace out TTYL.

MW2 is one of the easiest games to run of all time. That proves nothing.

I never said that the Phenom II can't max out easy games. I said that there are many modern games that the 955 can't max out at high detail.

Once again, it's like you're not paying attention. You're not even making valid arguments at this point, it's kind of sad.

You have my pity.

 

[Headspin_69]

MW2 is one of the easiest games of all time. that proves nothing.

The links I provided prove something.

Just like your post that proves that unoptimized poorly coded games run like *** on INTEL and AMD except DeusEX Revolution that runs @ 60fps on INTEL an AMD.

 

[cleeve]

Just like your post that proves that unoptimized poorly coded games run like *** on INTEL and AMD except DeusEX Revolution that runs @ 60fps on INTEL an AMD.

It is fascinating (and sad) that you are unable to understand the difference between 'poorly coded' and 'demanding'.

 

[Headspin_69]

It is fascinating (and sad) that you are unable to understand the difference between 'poorly coded' and 'demanding'.

Thank the consoles for those few games you mentioned that are poorly coded but its a good thing I have the CPU grunt Phenom II B55 @ 3.8ghz to feed info to my GTX 275 golden oldie so I can still run any game on the market today. I was just playing Metro 2033 Maxed settings DX9 1680x1050 with an average of 35fps mostly staying in the mid 40s.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]Headspin_69[/nom]Thank the consoles for those few games you mentioned that are poorly coded but its a good thing I have the CPU grunt Phenom II B55 @ 3.8ghz to feed info to my GTX 275 golden oldie so I can still run any game on the market today. I was just playing Metro 2033 Maxed settings DX9 1680x1050 with an average of 35fps mostly staying in the mid 40s.[/citation]

"demanding' does not = 'poorly coded' because the Phenom II can't hack it.

G'night

 

[Headspin_69]

[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]"demanding' does not = 'poorly coded' because the Phenom II can't hack it.G'night[/citation]
The Phenom II 955 is still one of the most popular gaming rig CPUs ever.

 

[clonazepam]

Gonna take a wild guess... spare time waiting for benchmark runs?

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]Headspin_69[/nom]The Phenom II 955 is still one of the most popular gaming rig CPUs ever.[/citation]

The VW beetle is one of the most popular cars ever. That doesn't make it a good choice for a racecar.

Popularity doesn't win races, and the 955 loses to the Core i3 when it comes to gaming.

2500K is the way to go if you're serious about it.