Star Wars: The Old Republic: PC Performance, Benchmarked

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]King_Philippe[/nom]Yes I understand that, but I also thought that the 6850>GTX 460, but somehow the 460 edges out the 6850 ever so slightly.[/citation]

Nope... once again, the 6850/460 are on par.

Depends on the game, they're quite close.

 

[Guest]

We think Bioware’s creation has the chops to pull a lot of people into its well-crafted web, but only time will tell if it has what it takes to keep them there, particularly when its subscription-based model is forced to compete against some impressive free-to-play titles.

I hope the "free-to-play" titles DO get better... And the idea of having to pay to get good equipment instead of just finding it in a game is some what less applealing.

Tor: Phenom II x2 550 and ATI HD 5770w/ 1GB. Played real well.

 

[duroc]

Hi guys I have two options (I hope) that I can run the game on. I just need to know if either of these will work. One is a laptop the other a PC. Hoping that at least one of them will be able to run the game at minimum requirements. Here are the specs on them both.

Laptop Specs:
OS: Windows Home Premium 32-bit
Processor: Intel Core Duo CPU T6400 @ 2.00 GHz
Ram: 3.0GB Ram
Graphics: Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family
Make: Sony
Model: Vaio
Model Number: VGN-NS240E

PC Specs:
OS: Windows Home Premium Vista 32-bit
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad @ 2.40 GHz (4 CPU'S)
Ram: 2020 MB Ram (2gb)
Graphics: Intel G33/G31 Express Chipset Family
Chip Type: Intel GMA 3100

I'm very ignorant when it comes to working or updating computers. Please let me know if anyone of these two systems will at least run the game at minimum. I'am on a very tight budget due to the holidays, it would be great if one of these could run the game.
Thanks & I'm looking forward to the help!

 

[Guest]

I played with high settings and a 3/4 viewing distance with:
Core 2 Duo e840
Nvidia GTS 8800

The above poster I think says enough for itself. It's not that demanding. If you can run it with this system, you can run it on nearly anything, just not on high detail.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]Adrekian[/nom]I played with high settings and a 3/4 viewing distance with:Core 2 Duo e840Nvidia GTS 8800The above poster I think says enough for itself. It's not that demanding. If you can run it with this system, you can run it on nearly anything, just not on high detail.[/citation]

The above poster is using integrated Intel, not a discrete GeForce GTS 8800. That's a HELL of a lot more powerful.

I doubt this game runs decently on any integrated chipset, except maybe a Llano.

 

[Headspin_69]

[citation][nom]Adrekian[/nom]I played with high settings and a 3/4 viewing distance with:Core 2 Duo e840Nvidia GTS 8800The above poster I think says enough for itself. It's not that demanding. If you can run it with this system, you can run it on nearly anything, just not on high detail.[/citation]
The C2DUO E8400 still maxes out any game today including SWTOR and the 8800 GTS as compared to the Intel GMA 3100 would be like a GTS 250 as compared to a GTX 580 LOL.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]Headspin_69[/nom]The C2DUO E8400 still maxes out any game today including SWTOR and the 8800 GTS as compared to the Intel GMA 3100 would be like a GTS 250 as compared to a GTX 580 LOL.[/citation]

I agree about the graphics, but the E8400 will get destroyed by a lot of CPU-intensive titles.

The old Republic is not one of them, but there are a lot of newer games that will put the hurt on a Core 2 Duo.

 

[Headspin_69]

[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]I agree about the graphics, but the E8400 will get destroyed by a lot of CPU-intensive titles. The old Republic is not one of them, but there are a lot of newer games that will put the hurt on a Core 2 Duo.[/citation]
I agree but a C2DUO E8400 @ 4ghz backed up with a good GPU will not be a game breaker for any game even tho it is at a disadvantage and FPS loss will be noticeable but still very playable.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]Headspin_69[/nom]I agree but a C2DUO E8400 @ 4ghz backed up with a good GPU will not be a game breaker for any game even tho it is at a disadvantage and FPS loss will be noticeable but still very playable.[/citation]

Maybe at low detail, but at highest details there's a number of games that'll be crippled by an E8400.

 

[Headspin_69]

[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]Maybe at low detail, but at highest details there's a number of games that'll be crippled by an E8400.[/citation]
That's funny because my secondary rig that has a C2DUO E8400 @ 4ghz and 8800GTX plays all they games I own old and new alike at playable FPS and that includes Skyrim maxed out at 30-50fps maxed out funny but true.

 

[cleeve]

[citation][nom]Headspin_69[/nom]That's funny because my secondary rig that has a C2DUO E8400 @ 4ghz and 8800GTX plays all they games I own old and new alike at playable FPS and that includes Skyrim maxed out at 30-50fps maxed out funny but true.[/citation]

That's funny because you probably don't play every game that's ever been made, and you probably don't benchmark them like it's my job to do.

Let's see... jut off the top of my head, Crysis 2 and StarCraft II cripple dual-core CPUs at highest details. I can find lots more and link if you'd like. if you can wait a little I'm actually in the middle of a sub-$200 gaming CPU comparo that proves you wrong, it'll be published relatively soon...

 

[Headspin_69]

[citation][nom]Cleeve[/nom]That's funny because you probably don't play every game that's ever been made, and you probably don't benchmark them like it's my job to do. Let's see... jut off the top of my head, Crysis 2 and StarCraft II cripple dual-core CPUs at highest details. I can find lots more and link if you'd like. if you can wait a little I'm actually in the middle of a sub-$200 gaming CPU comparo that proves you wrong, it'll be published relatively soon...[/citation]
With all due respect I am an IT technician by profession and passion and I don't need a job like you as a reviewer to benchmark games professional and compile solid data and the only game that bungs up my dual core that I have benched with is World in Conflict that game has a massive performance gain on a quad core peace.

 

[cleeve]

With all due respect I am an IT technician by profession and passion and I don't need a job like you as a reviewer to benchmark games professional and compile solid data and the only game that bungs up my dual core that I have benched with is World in Conflict that game has a massive performance gain on a quad core peace.

With all due respect you must be ignoring all the games that are bottlenecked by slower CPUs.

I have hard benchmark data to back up what I'm saying, where's yours? I'd love to see your minimum frame rates on that E8400.

 

[Headspin_69]

With all due respect you must be ignoring all the games that are bottlenecked by slower CPUs.

I have hard benchmark data to back up what I'm saying, where's yours? I'd love to see your minimum frame rates on that E8400.

There are a many Videos on YT that certify my claims that C2Duo OCed is still a viable option today for mid range PC gaming and I never claimed anything about high end blazing fast framerates ether I am claiming playable framerates at or above 30fps in the vast majority of games. It is unfortunate that Industry is Pushing Sandy Bridge and i7 Upgrades on people that are unknowing that an older dual core a FAST older duel core overclocked is still a viable gaming option. I suppose when Benchmarks are cherry picked to favor one type or another architecture for example Dual Core or Quad Core or Nvidia or Radeon etc then it would be real easy to substantiate a cherry picked fact as the be all and end all without going any further. I run an AMD Phenom II x2 555 @ 3.8ghz and there is not a game that I cannot smoothly run albeit with respect to the limitations of the gracefully aging GTX 275 that I use to push the pixels. Thanx for your time and effort in your submissions of quality writeups / reviews and I wish you to be healthy ,wealthy, and happy PEACE ;-)

 

[cleeve]

I run an AMD Phenom II x2 555 @ 3.8ghz and there is not a game that I cannot smoothly run albeit with respect to the limitations of the gracefully aging GTX 275 that I use to push the pixels.

If 'respect the limitations' means you lower a lot of details, then sure, a dual core will be "playable". But there are still games where you'll see cracks in the armor.

In any case, I've found plenty of games that wouldn't be able to run smoothly on that config pushing high details, and I don't have to cherry pick to do it.

 

[Headspin_69]

If 'respect the limitations' means you lower a lot of details, then sure, a dual core will be "playable". But there are still games where you'll see cracks in the armor.

But I've found plenty of games that wouldn't be able to run smoothly on that config pushing high details, and I don't have to cherry pick to do it.

Sure you can cherry pick anything BF3 runs on high and looks great and performs good @ 40 to 60fps so good enough. I win because I paid less than $500 Canadian for my rig and it plays any game I throw at it. A CPU wont be the determining force for lowering the quality settings when you have a solid and fast CPU like a PHENOM II x2 555 @ 3.8ghz and when I need a quad I just unlock all four cores via the BIOS LOL.

 

[cleeve]

Sure you can cherry pick anything BF3 runs on high and looks great and performs good @ 40 to 60fps so good enough. I win because I paid less than $500 Canadian for my rig and it plays any game I throw at it. A CPU wont be the determining force for lowering the quality settings when you have a solid and fast CPU like a PHENOM II x2 555 @ 3.8ghz and when I need a quad I just unlock all four cores via the BIOS LOL.

No cherry picking, just modern games. And yes, a dual-core Phenom will be a huge bottleneck in a lot of new titles, even with four cores unlocked. The IPC is just nowhere near Intel's Sandy Bridge.

But what you're saying now is very different from what you first said: "The C2DUO E8400 still maxes out any game today".

It most certainly does not.

 

[Headspin_69]

No cherry picking, just modern games. And yes, a dual-core Phenom will be a huge bottleneck in a lot of new titles, even with four cores unlocked. The IPC is just nowhere near Intel's Sandy Bridge.

But what you're saying now is very different from what you first said: "The C2DUO E8400 still maxes out any game today".

It most certainly does not.

C2DUO OVERCLOCKED @ 4ghz It does maybe not at a Locked V-Synch 60fps smooth but it will play anything except the games that run like *** on any rig due to poor coding like Metro 2033 etc.

 

[cleeve]

C2DUO OVERCLOCKED @ 4ghz It does maybe not at a Locked V-Synch 60fps smooth but it will play anything except the games that run like *** on any rig due to poor coding like Metro 2033 etc.

Even overclocked to 4 GHz, it will not "max out any game today".

It will get its ass handed to it in a great many game titles.

 

[Headspin_69]

Even overclocked to 4 GHz, it will not "max out any game today".

It will get its ass handed to it in a great many game titles.

Ok then you now need an i7 2600K OCed to 6GHZ on Liquid Nitrogen to max out games LOL.

 

[cleeve]

Ok then you now need an i7 2600K OCed to 6GHZ on Liquid Nitrogen to max out games LOL.

Nah, an i5-2500K o/c'd to 4 GHz on air will do nicely.

It will beat the living snot out of a Core 2 Duo or Phenom II X4, regardless of the clocks...

 

[de5_Roy]

*munches on popcorn*

 

[Headspin_69]

Nah, an i5-2500K o/c'd to 4 GHz on air will do nicely.

It will beat the living snot out of a Core 2 Duo or Phenom II X4, regardless of the clocks...

Well to be honest yes it is common knowledge that an i5 2500K is the best it currently gets before diminished returns for you money but really an Overclocked Phenom II 955 is pretty well on par with an i5 2500K in gaming and that is why it is such a popular gaming rig CPU the 955 is. The bottle neck is put onto the GPU when you are running a Phenom II 955 and really it is not a game breaker at all Metro Maxed still gets ass like performance on an core i5 2500K.

 

[Headspin_69]

Nah, an i5-2500K o/c'd to 4 GHz on air will do nicely.

It will beat the living snot out of a Core 2 Duo or Phenom II X4, regardless of the clocks...

As said by Toms Hardware review on AMD Phenom II x4 955 and I quote "We’re still not looking at a Core i7-killer (or even competitor) here. After all, AMD’s fastest offering isn’t able to match even the slowest i7 chip, unless you count gaming, where most of these quad-core chips perform so similarly that it isn’t worth factoring in the tenths of a frame."

 

[cleeve]

As said by Toms Hardware review on AMD Phenom II x4 955 and I quote "We’re still not looking at a Core i7-killer (or even competitor) here. After all, AMD’s fastest offering isn’t able to match even the slowest i7 chip, unless you count gaming, where most of these quad-core chips perform so similarly that it isn’t worth factoring in the tenths of a frame."

First, you're quoting a 2-year old article. The PC world moves pretty fast.

Second, you're high if you think an overclocked 955 is on par with a stock i5-2500K in todays games.

You seem to think you know more than someone who does this for a living, so argue with the evidence:

StarCraft II: Phenom II X4 970 beaten by stock Core i3-2120
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,review-32128-8.html

Skyrim: Phenom II X4 and X6 at 3 GHz beaten by Core i3 @ 3 GHz, 3.0 GHz i5-2500 kicks major ass:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skyrim-performance-benchmark,3074-9.html

Deus Ex: Human Revolution: Dual core too slow, Core i3 at 3 GHz same as Phenom II X4 and X6, 3.0 GHz i5-2500 kicks major ass:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deus-ex-human-revolution-performance-benchmark,3012-7.html

Crysis 2: Dual Core can't even manage 20 FPS minimum:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-2-directx-11-performance,2983-8.html

And don't try cherry picked, this is only 4 of the last 6 reviews I've done. I barely had to look.

Are you still going to argue that a 4 GHz Core 2 Duo can max out any game? Or that a Phenom II X4 955 can game as fast as the i5-2500K, when it struggles to perform on par with a similarly clocked Core i3?

The i5-2500K is in a different class entirely. Deal with it, and move on Bro.