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It's been several years since I upgraded the nvidia driver for my
64MB NVidia Geforce2 MX/MX 400. The present driver is 21.83 and I have
downloaded v 45.33 as a file
45.33_2.13wdm_win2kxp_international_whql.exe
with the intention of finally upgrading (albeit not to a very recent
version.)

What exactly are the recommended steps I should take to reliably
install it please? If I use the Device Manager>Update Driver method,
do I just specify the HD download location of that file above? I'm
also confused as to whether I should first uninstall 21.83? If I do
so, what will be the status when my XP Home PC reboots?

All help gratefully received.

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK
 
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I take it you didnt see fit to read the 'how to install' on Nvidia site

"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> It's been several years since I upgraded the nvidia driver for my
> 64MB NVidia Geforce2 MX/MX 400. The present driver is 21.83 and I have
> downloaded v 45.33 as a file
> 45.33_2.13wdm_win2kxp_international_whql.exe
> with the intention of finally upgrading (albeit not to a very recent
> version.)
>
> What exactly are the recommended steps I should take to reliably
> install it please? If I use the Device Manager>Update Driver method,
> do I just specify the HD download location of that file above? I'm
> also confused as to whether I should first uninstall 21.83? If I do
> so, what will be the status when my XP Home PC reboots?
>
> All help gratefully received.
>
> --
> Terry, West Sussex, UK
>
 
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Yes, first Uninstall the old driver. Then reboot the computer and it will
start up using a built in generic VGA driver that works for all video cards.
Then perform the install of the new driver. That's it.

--
DaveW



"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> It's been several years since I upgraded the nvidia driver for my
> 64MB NVidia Geforce2 MX/MX 400. The present driver is 21.83 and I have
> downloaded v 45.33 as a file
> 45.33_2.13wdm_win2kxp_international_whql.exe
> with the intention of finally upgrading (albeit not to a very recent
> version.)
>
> What exactly are the recommended steps I should take to reliably
> install it please? If I use the Device Manager>Update Driver method,
> do I just specify the HD download location of that file above? I'm
> also confused as to whether I should first uninstall 21.83? If I do
> so, what will be the status when my XP Home PC reboots?
>
> All help gratefully received.
>
> --
> Terry, West Sussex, UK
>
 
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"MrGrumpy" <dl@spoofmail.notme> wrote:

>I take it you didnt see fit to read the 'how to install' on Nvidia site

Well, you take it wrong then. If the information there was clear,
consistent and unambiguous then I wouldn't be asking. I'd have thought
that was fairly obvious from the points I raised.

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK
 
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Use "add remove programs" in control panel and uninstall the old driver.
Reboot and cancel through all attempts by plug and play to load a driver.
Then run the new driver executable and follow the instructions. After
rebooting, go into display properties and set things like screen resolution
and refresh rate.

DaveL


"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> "MrGrumpy" <dl@spoofmail.notme> wrote:
>
>>I take it you didnt see fit to read the 'how to install' on Nvidia site
>
> Well, you take it wrong then. If the information there was clear,
> consistent and unambiguous then I wouldn't be asking. I'd have thought
> that was fairly obvious from the points I raised.
>
> --
> Terry, West Sussex, UK
>
 
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"DaveL" <dave1027@comcast.net> wrote:

>Use "add remove programs" in control panel and uninstall the old driver.
>Reboot and cancel through all attempts by plug and play to load a driver.
>Then run the new driver executable and follow the instructions. After
>rebooting, go into display properties and set things like screen resolution
>and refresh rate.
>
>DaveL

Many thanks.

Will I be able to use the 'Revert to previous driver' option if
necessary after using that procedure please?

That phrase 'cancel through all attempts by plug and play to load a
driver' makes me a bit apprehensive, but I expect it will be
straightforward in practice?

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK
 
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"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> "DaveL" <dave1027@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Use "add remove programs" in control panel and uninstall the old
>> driver. Reboot and cancel through all attempts by plug and play to
>> load a driver. Then run the new driver executable and follow the
>> instructions. After rebooting, go into display properties and set
>> things like screen resolution and refresh rate.
>>
>> DaveL
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Will I be able to use the 'Revert to previous driver' option if
> necessary after using that procedure please?
>
> That phrase 'cancel through all attempts by plug and play to load a
> driver' makes me a bit apprehensive, but I expect it will be
> straightforward in practice?

Yes. As DaveL said, when you uninstall the drivers and reboot, the
system will come up in VGA mode using a very basic universal driver for
all cards. XP will also want to immediately install a driver itself,
and this dialog you cancel. I've seen up to 3 times I've had to hit
cancel, normally it's twice. Then you get the desktop. Don't be
alarmed, it's VGA and likely no more than 800x600 though I used to get
640x480-16 color all the time. Now you execute the nVidia installer
package for the driver set you downloaded. Accept the EULA, allow it
to put its files into a folder somewhere. It will unpack the files then
install and register them. When it's all done, you reboot again. Make
your settings changes for resolution and color. When all is
satisfactory to you and it appears your system works well with the
drivers, and the programs and games run fine with them...you can then
delete the folder that the driver set created to run/install the files
from.

Since I change out video cards and switch drivers kind of often, I keep
those. But I have them installed to a particular place [C:\Program
Files\Nvidia Corporation\Win2KXP\61.77, 67.03, 71.84] as example. But
it's really not necessary, I do it as a convenience for me. Also,
they're not 'installed' per se there, they are simply unpacked in their
respective folders.

It really is a fairly straightforward process. You UNinstall the old
driver through ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS, reboot. On bootup, cancel the
dialog(s) to install drivers. Once you have the desktop (and no more
dialogs), you run the new driver installer package. That's it. :)
McG.
 
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> It really is a fairly straightforward process. You UNinstall the old
> driver through ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS, reboot. On bootup, cancel the
> dialog(s) to install drivers. Once you have the desktop (and no more
> dialogs), you run the new driver installer package. That's it. :)

It used to be that most people suggested using programs to remove remnants
of the old driver. Is that unnecessary now?
 
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"Mr. Brian Allen" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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>> It really is a fairly straightforward process. You UNinstall the old
>> driver through ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS, reboot. On bootup, cancel the
>> dialog(s) to install drivers. Once you have the desktop (and no more
>> dialogs), you run the new driver installer package. That's it. :)
>
> It used to be that most people suggested using programs to remove
> remnants of the old driver. Is that unnecessary now?

It's been a rare thing going from nvidia card and driver to a new card
and driver to need something like that. When an uninstall/install goes
pear shaped, then it's needful to remove the scraps and clean the
registry. There are 'scrubbers' for both nvidia and ati drivers on
their sites.

Normally, uninstalling a 'healthy' driver set then installing a new one
works with no problems.

McG.
 
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"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

>Yes. As DaveL said, when you uninstall the drivers and reboot, the
>system will come up in VGA mode using a very basic universal driver for
>all cards. XP will also want to immediately install a driver itself,
>and this dialog you cancel. I've seen up to 3 times I've had to hit
>cancel, normally it's twice. Then you get the desktop. Don't be
>alarmed, it's VGA and likely no more than 800x600 though I used to get
>640x480-16 color all the time. Now you execute the nVidia installer
>package for the driver set you downloaded. Accept the EULA, allow it
>to put its files into a folder somewhere. It will unpack the files then
>install and register them. When it's all done, you reboot again. Make
>your settings changes for resolution and color. When all is
>satisfactory to you and it appears your system works well with the
>drivers, and the programs and games run fine with them...you can then
>delete the folder that the driver set created to run/install the files
>from.
>
>Since I change out video cards and switch drivers kind of often, I keep
>those. But I have them installed to a particular place [C:\Program
>Files\Nvidia Corporation\Win2KXP\61.77, 67.03, 71.84] as example. But
>it's really not necessary, I do it as a convenience for me. Also,
>they're not 'installed' per se there, they are simply unpacked in their
>respective folders.
>
>It really is a fairly straightforward process. You UNinstall the old
>driver through ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS, reboot. On bootup, cancel the
>dialog(s) to install drivers. Once you have the desktop (and no more
>dialogs), you run the new driver installer package. That's it. :)
>McG.
>
Thanks very much for the follow-ups, particularly that comprehensive
detailed step-by-step from McGrandpa. I now feel much more confident.

My only remaining hesitation is down to a different issue. I suspect
my monitor is on the blink. I first posted about this in: 'Playing DVD
switches monitor ON/OFF'. But I'm now pretty sure it's a *hardware*
failure of the 19" Mitsubushi Diamondtron 920, (maybe triggered by
some programs more than others). Last night I swapped it for my old
17" IIyama VisionMaster Pro 400, and - although it's a bit premature
to draw any firm conclusion - so far I've had no repetition of the
problem (sudden switching on/off of power). So at present my monitor
appears as 'Default Monitor', and I'm considering my options.

The obvious one is to try to get Mitsubishi to replace it again (it's
a refurbished monitor, following the failure of the original just
inside its guarantee in November). Is it necessary to wait until the
'new' monitor is present before installing the new driver?

Another option is to yield to growing temptation to buy a flat screen
display. If I go that route, are there any special driver needs
please? Or will the 45.33 be OK?

Thanks for the help, which is much appreciated.


--
Terry, West Sussex, UK
 
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"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes. As DaveL said, when you uninstall the drivers and reboot, the
>> system will come up in VGA mode using a very basic universal driver
>> for all cards. XP will also want to immediately install a driver
>> itself, and this dialog you cancel. I've seen up to 3 times I've
>> had to hit cancel, normally it's twice. Then you get the desktop.
>> Don't be alarmed, it's VGA and likely no more than 800x600 though I
>> used to get 640x480-16 color all the time. Now you execute the
>> nVidia installer package for the driver set you downloaded. Accept
>> the EULA, allow it to put its files into a folder somewhere. It
>> will unpack the files then install and register them. When it's all
>> done, you reboot again. Make your settings changes for resolution
>> and color. When all is satisfactory to you and it appears your
>> system works well with the drivers, and the programs and games run
>> fine with them...you can then delete the folder that the driver set
>> created to run/install the files from.
>>
>> Since I change out video cards and switch drivers kind of often, I
>> keep those. But I have them installed to a particular place
>> [C:\Program Files\Nvidia Corporation\Win2KXP\61.77, 67.03, 71.84] as
>> example. But it's really not necessary, I do it as a convenience
>> for me. Also, they're not 'installed' per se there, they are simply
>> unpacked in their respective folders.
>>
>> It really is a fairly straightforward process. You UNinstall the old
>> driver through ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS, reboot. On bootup, cancel the
>> dialog(s) to install drivers. Once you have the desktop (and no more
>> dialogs), you run the new driver installer package. That's it. :)
>> McG.
>>
> Thanks very much for the follow-ups, particularly that comprehensive
> detailed step-by-step from McGrandpa. I now feel much more confident.
>
> My only remaining hesitation is down to a different issue. I suspect
> my monitor is on the blink. I first posted about this in: 'Playing DVD
> switches monitor ON/OFF'. But I'm now pretty sure it's a *hardware*
> failure of the 19" Mitsubushi Diamondtron 920, (maybe triggered by
> some programs more than others). Last night I swapped it for my old
> 17" IIyama VisionMaster Pro 400, and - although it's a bit premature
> to draw any firm conclusion - so far I've had no repetition of the
> problem (sudden switching on/off of power). So at present my monitor
> appears as 'Default Monitor', and I'm considering my options.
>
> The obvious one is to try to get Mitsubishi to replace it again (it's
> a refurbished monitor, following the failure of the original just
> inside its guarantee in November). Is it necessary to wait until the
> 'new' monitor is present before installing the new driver?
>
> Another option is to yield to growing temptation to buy a flat screen
> display. If I go that route, are there any special driver needs
> please? Or will the 45.33 be OK?
>
> Thanks for the help, which is much appreciated.

From the manufacturers sites you should be able to download the .inf
file for the monitors you're using. These will provide better timing
info than the default windows 'drivers' (.inf also). You can use the
45.33 driver set, but for improvments to the overall control applett I'd
suggest 53.03 or higher. Nvidias driver sets are downward compatible
all the way back to the TnT based cards. It won't hurt for you to use
the very latest set, your MX440 is covered as well as my 6800GT.
When you get the *.inf file for your monitor, just right click on it and
select INSTALL. Windows puts it into a particular place and registers
the info. It's not much, these .inf files are very tiny.
You're welcome!
McG.
 
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> Yes. As DaveL said, when you uninstall the drivers and reboot, the system
> will come up in VGA mode using a very basic universal driver for all
> cards.

BEWARE OF THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO, which in fact happened to me:

1) uninstalled the nvidia driver.
2) rebooted.
3) Black Screen Of Death. Monitor Wouldn't Turn On.
4) F8 VGA-only and Safe Mode both worked, but worthless as no way to install
drivers
5) Resorted to Repair Install of Windows.

MORAL OF THE STORY:
Set the videodriver to Microsoft VGA *before* uninistalling nvidia drivers.
This is similar to the mandate of setting the HD controller to the builtin
MS driver before swapping motherboards.

rms
 
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"rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
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>> Yes. As DaveL said, when you uninstall the drivers and reboot, the
>> system will come up in VGA mode using a very basic universal driver for
>> all cards.
>
> BEWARE OF THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO, which in fact happened to me:
>
> 1) uninstalled the nvidia driver.
> 2) rebooted.
> 3) Black Screen Of Death. Monitor Wouldn't Turn On.
> 4) F8 VGA-only and Safe Mode both worked, but worthless as no way to
> install drivers
> 5) Resorted to Repair Install of Windows.
>
> MORAL OF THE STORY:
> Set the videodriver to Microsoft VGA *before* uninistalling nvidia
> drivers. This is similar to the mandate of setting the HD controller to
> the builtin MS driver before swapping motherboards.
>
> rms
>

You must have had something screwed up beforehand because simply
uninstalling the video driver and rebooting should force windows to
automatically fall back to VGA mode.

DaveL
 
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>So at present my monitor
> appears as 'Default Monitor',

See if you can find your specific monitor in Add Hardware, or get the
..inf from mitsubishi.

rms
 
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"DaveL" <dave1027@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "rms" <rsquires@flashREMOVE.net> wrote in message
> news:1Ow6e.181$hk4.163@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>>> Yes. As DaveL said, when you uninstall the drivers and reboot, the
>>> system will come up in VGA mode using a very basic universal driver
>>> for all cards.
>>
>> BEWARE OF THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO, which in fact happened to me:
>>
>> 1) uninstalled the nvidia driver.
>> 2) rebooted.
>> 3) Black Screen Of Death. Monitor Wouldn't Turn On.
>> 4) F8 VGA-only and Safe Mode both worked, but worthless as no way to
>> install drivers
>> 5) Resorted to Repair Install of Windows.
>>
>> MORAL OF THE STORY:
>> Set the videodriver to Microsoft VGA *before* uninistalling nvidia
>> drivers. This is similar to the mandate of setting the HD controller
>> to the builtin MS driver before swapping motherboards.
>>
>> rms
>>
>
> You must have had something screwed up beforehand because simply
> uninstalling the video driver and rebooting should force windows to
> automatically fall back to VGA mode.
>
> DaveL

Especially so for XP.
 
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"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

>From the manufacturers sites you should be able to download the .inf
>file for the monitors you're using. These will provide better timing
>info than the default windows 'drivers' (.inf also). You can use the
>45.33 driver set, but for improvments to the overall control applett I'd
>suggest 53.03 or higher. Nvidias driver sets are downward compatible
>all the way back to the TnT based cards. It won't hurt for you to use
>the very latest set, your MX440 is covered as well as my 6800GT.
>When you get the *.inf file for your monitor, just right click on it and
>select INSTALL. Windows puts it into a particular place and registers
>the info. It's not much, these .inf files are very tiny.
>You're welcome!
>McG.
>

Thanks. Managed to sort this a while later, without downloading
further drivers. The key step I'd missed when using the Update Driver
dialog in XP was to uncheck the 'Show compatible devices' box. Must
say it seems sort of counter-intuitive to me, as I *do* want to use
'compatible' monitors! I suppose it means 'compatible with Default
Monitor', not 'compatible with your PC'? With it checked, I was
offered only one other option: Plug 'n Play. Anyway, with it
unchecked, a full list appeared, from which I selected my IIyama
VisionMaster Pro 400.

Can't say I've so far noticed any visible difference though. I'm still
using same resolution (1024x768) and same 85 Hz refresh rate. But from
your comments above, I'm sure there are some subtle 'timing'
improvements.

Of course, I'm now using a 5 year old 17" CRT instead of the 3-4 year
old 19", so I'm not especially happy. And I'm having second thoughts
about a 17" LCD. For a start, I see that quite a proportion of users
believe some aspects of performance is arguably inferior to CRT. But
the main snag is that I've just learned that you should only use
'native resolution'. So far all the 17" models I've seen advertised
have native resolution of 1280x1024. That's fine for my son, but not
for me!

On the other side of the coin, that 19" (which I've just struggled
downstairs with and out to the shed) is one heck of a size and weight.
It would only just fit onto my desk with room for the keyboard and gel
pad in front. And specs of replacements show no reduction in size.
Whatever happened to the march of technology in this area? <g>


--
Terry, West Sussex, UK
 
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"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@THESEdial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> "McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From the manufacturers sites you should be able to download the .inf
>> file for the monitors you're using. These will provide better timing
>> info than the default windows 'drivers' (.inf also). You can use the
>> 45.33 driver set, but for improvments to the overall control applett
>> I'd suggest 53.03 or higher. Nvidias driver sets are downward
>> compatible all the way back to the TnT based cards. It won't hurt
>> for you to use the very latest set, your MX440 is covered as well as
>> my 6800GT.
>> When you get the *.inf file for your monitor, just right click on it
>> and select INSTALL. Windows puts it into a particular place and
>> registers the info. It's not much, these .inf files are very tiny.
>> You're welcome!
>> McG.
>>
>
> Thanks. Managed to sort this a while later, without downloading
> further drivers. The key step I'd missed when using the Update Driver
> dialog in XP was to uncheck the 'Show compatible devices' box. Must
> say it seems sort of counter-intuitive to me, as I *do* want to use
> 'compatible' monitors! I suppose it means 'compatible with Default
> Monitor', not 'compatible with your PC'? With it checked, I was
> offered only one other option: Plug 'n Play. Anyway, with it
> unchecked, a full list appeared, from which I selected my IIyama
> VisionMaster Pro 400.
>
> Can't say I've so far noticed any visible difference though. I'm still
> using same resolution (1024x768) and same 85 Hz refresh rate. But from
> your comments above, I'm sure there are some subtle 'timing'
> improvements.
>
> Of course, I'm now using a 5 year old 17" CRT instead of the 3-4 year
> old 19", so I'm not especially happy. And I'm having second thoughts
> about a 17" LCD. For a start, I see that quite a proportion of users
> believe some aspects of performance is arguably inferior to CRT. But
> the main snag is that I've just learned that you should only use
> 'native resolution'. So far all the 17" models I've seen advertised
> have native resolution of 1280x1024. That's fine for my son, but not
> for me!
>
> On the other side of the coin, that 19" (which I've just struggled
> downstairs with and out to the shed) is one heck of a size and weight.
> It would only just fit onto my desk with room for the keyboard and gel
> pad in front. And specs of replacements show no reduction in size.
> Whatever happened to the march of technology in this area? <g>

That big glass cathode ray tube (CRT) is still a big ol thing of heavy
glass :)
Conversely; my 19" Envision LCD you can literally carry easily in one
hand, even has a built in hand hold in back of the top. It also sits
several inches further back than the front of a 19" crt would be on the
desk.
With a 19" monitor, what resolution are you happy running in? Sure, the
Envision is 1280x1024 native, but does 1024x768 very well also, using
monitor scaling. Its response time is 24ms, and that's slow for gaming.
But it doesn't stop me from gaming. I play Half Life 2 Deathmatch
online and don't even notice the 'ghosting'...and I know it's there.
March of technology? It's in flat panel displays! TFT is the 'thing'
right now, maybe tomorrow there will be a breakthrough in gas plasma and
we'll all have a 24" for $299!!
McG.
 
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"McGrandpa" <McGrandpaNOT@NOThotmail.com> wrote:

>That big glass cathode ray tube (CRT) is still a big ol thing of heavy
>glass :)
>Conversely; my 19" Envision LCD you can literally carry easily in one
>hand, even has a built in hand hold in back of the top. It also sits
>several inches further back than the front of a 19" crt would be on the
>desk.
>With a 19" monitor, what resolution are you happy running in? Sure, the
>Envision is 1280x1024 native, but does 1024x768 very well also, using
>monitor scaling. Its response time is 24ms, and that's slow for gaming.
>But it doesn't stop me from gaming. I play Half Life 2 Deathmatch
>online and don't even notice the 'ghosting'...and I know it's there.
>March of technology? It's in flat panel displays! TFT is the 'thing'
>right now, maybe tomorrow there will be a breakthrough in gas plasma and
>we'll all have a 24" for $299!!
>McG.
>

I'm still on the fence. Maybe I'll take my time, as this 17" CRT isn't
al that bad. I use 1024x768, which is fine. 1280x1024 gives text that
is just that bit too small for me to read for hours. Reckon the next
step is to get out and see a few 17" LCDs at 1024x768!

--
Terry, West Sussex, UK