T. Martin Incident

[wanamingo]

Pump those brakes homeboy.


I think the court system did exactly what it was supposed to do. You couldnt prove Zimmerman started the fight.... Because the only other witness was killed. So im not upset about the outcome, I just think we had one side of the story.

So the story is whatever Zimmerman says it was, which worked in his favor... So remember kids NO LOOSE ENDS!

 

[wanamingo]

In August 2011, he called to report a black male in a tank top and shorts acting suspicious near the development's back entrance. "[Complainant] believes [subject] is involved in recent S-21s"—break-ins—"in the neighborhood," the call log states. The suspect, Zimmerman told the dispatcher, fit a recent description given out by law enforcement officers.

Three days later, he called to report two black teens in the same area, for the same reason. "[Juveniles] are the subjs who have been [burglarizing] in this area," he told the dispatcher.

And last month, on Feb. 2, Zimmerman called to report a suspicious black man in a leather jacket near one of the development's units. The resident of that townhouse, Zimmerman told dispatch, was a white male. Police stopped by to investigate, but no one was there, and the residence was secure.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/trayvon-shooters-911-calls-potholes-piles-trash-black-men

Its not the first time Zimmerman called the cops because "Black people" were just..... I dont know hanging out... Is that illegal?

I guess we will only ever know 1/2 the story, but it doesnt make tons of sense from my end. TM just randomly selected GZ? Or did he do what he was legally allowed to do? Stand his ground if he was being pursued (Hint: GZ was following him)... But again we will never know.

I also want it to be noted that I dont think GZ is a bad guy he just wants to be the hero. Look at his failed police career, the guy wanted to be a cop pretty badly. He instead became a devoted Neighborhood Watchman, reporting every little detail to cops. It seems to me he stepped it up from calling it in and observing to getting out and following, which put him in a situation that ended up using his gun to kill someone.

 

[gropouce]

Why didn't Trayvon call the police to report a suspicious person following him around the neighborhood? That's what normal people do when they feel threatened. Not attack someone and start beating the hell out of them.

BTW, its' not illegal to follow someone, especially if you are the neighborhood watch.

Neighborhood watch... another thing due to which United States is derided.

But Oldman, do you really know 17 years old kids who can call the police to report a suspicious person?
Especially if the kid is followed, the LAST thing he mights think to do is call the police. Far behind having a run, having a fight, going back home etc...

 

[wanamingo]

Im not even sure what you are saying.... The fact he didnt call the cops means what to you exactly?

It also goes against the narrative you give in other threads. Why call the cops when TM is more than in the right to defend himself (Again assuming we heard more than GZ side)? So if Im being followed I have to call the cops, I cant confront the potential attacker?

 

[gropouce]

Yes I do. My own daughter did it when she was 16. So yes, unless you are taught otherwise, fighting etc. He should have called the police and reported Zimmerman just like Zimmerman called and reported Trayvon. Trayvon was looking to woop some ass at the urging of what's her face on the other end of the cell phone.

Yes but no.
Firstly, a girl may be afraid of being raped while a teenage boy will not be afraid to flaunt his brand new testosterone.

And then, instead of the guy who died, I'm not sure I would have contacted the police. (If I am in a country that needs neighborhood watch IN ADDITION TO police, maybe the police should not be super effective ... so for the confidence, we can forget.)

 

[wanamingo]

Hmm... one guy is out with candy and a drink the other is out with a gun, who do you think is looking for a fight?

 

[Beachnative]

Im not even sure what you are saying.... The fact he didnt call the cops means what to you exactly?

It also goes against the narrative you give in other threads. Why call the cops when TM is more than in the right to defend himself (Again assuming we heard more than GZ side)? So if Im being followed I have to call the cops, I cant confront the potential attacker?

Hmm... one guy is out with candy and a drink the other is out with a gun, who do you think is looking for a fight?

The one who threw the first punch?

Remember, you can say whatever you want to someone. You can even follow them around. You just can't touch them.

Once again, you and others seem to want to excuse thug behavior. I shun it and refuse to excuse it as "oh, he's just being a typical 17 year old."

You are making assumptions based on what was told at the trial not what really happened. The prosecton's witnesses were horrible along with his performance. The old saying a good prosecutor could convict a ham sandwich does not apply to him... personally I thing both were to blame.
GZ for a myriad of reasons including not listening to the dispatcher, having the hero mentality, not abiding by the HOA rules for carrying a CW and TM for trersspassing and probably being confrontational.
GZ was trained by a MMA professional and was probably trying to be a tough guy instead, it was him that got his ass beat by a 17 year old, had to use a gun to stop his aggressor and by his own admission was the crying bitch on the tape.........can you say p^ssy?

I know there are three sides of truth in this case, GZ's, TM's parents and the real truth. It was a bad sequence of events that we all must accept depite what we believe and/or what the court has ruled.

Sick of beating this dead horse.

 

[wanamingo]

I wouldnt kill them thats for sure. I also wouldnt follow them...

 

[Beachnative]

Im not even sure what you are saying.... The fact he didnt call the cops means what to you exactly?

It also goes against the narrative you give in other threads. Why call the cops when TM is more than in the right to defend himself (Again assuming we heard more than GZ side)? So if Im being followed I have to call the cops, I cant confront the potential attacker?

Hmm... one guy is out with candy and a drink the other is out with a gun, who do you think is looking for a fight?

The one who threw the first punch?

Remember, you can say whatever you want to someone. You can even follow them around. You just can't touch them.

Once again, you and others seem to want to excuse thug behavior. I shun it and refuse to excuse it as "oh, he's just being a typical 17 year old."

You are making assumptions based on what was told at the trial not what really happened. The prosecton's witnesses were horrible along with his performance. The old saying a good prosecutor could convict a ham sandwich does not apply to him... personally I thing both were to blame.
GZ for a myriad of reasons including not listening to the dispatcher, having the hero mentality, not abiding by the HOA rules for carrying a CW and TM for trersspassing and probably being confrontational.
GZ was trained by a MMA professional and was probably trying to be a tough guy instead, it was him that got his ass beat by a 17 year old, had to use a gun to stop his aggressor and by his own admission was the crying bitch on the tape.........can you say p^ssy?

I know there are three sides of truth in this case, GZ's, TM's parents and the real truth. It was a bad sequence of events that we all must accept depite what we believe and/or what the court has ruled.

Sick of beating this dead horse.

I'm making assumptions? Really? I'm drawing conclusions and assumptoins based on the evidence. You're the one making assumptions about Zimmerman's behavior based on nothing.

Again, you guys seem to want to excuse thug behavior. I think it should be confronted, shunned, and shamed all week and twice on Sunday.

Look, here's some thugs.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22926770/video-flash-mob-robbery-at-dc-convenience-store#axzz2a3EMV000

I suppose you would excuse them as just being typical 17 year teenagers. Let them have their Friday night fun, right?

You made assumptions based on TM's text messages, remember? You seem to think that every 17 year old would have made the right decision at the right time as long as they don't wear a hoodiie, smoke pot or impose the thug look. You are dead wrong, they are minors under the law, why? Because of their inability to make decisions for themselves, heck look what adults do. Look at Rush Limbaugh, media Mogul and hypocrit.....

I'm not giving TM a free pass but I sure as hell know that GZ was a wannabe hero, failed police training, trained for MMA and couldn't beat his way out of a wet paperbag, he doesn't get a pass either...

Two wrongs don't make a right!

If I call the police and the dispatcher says not to follow, out of respect I'll listen. GZ did not show respect for the law..........now you'll probably chime in and say something like it's not against the law, BFD, neither is farting in an elevator! Someone died because of his lack of respect for the law....

 

[linkgx1]

Just gonna say this. For everyone saying 'SYG wasn't into the case' and 'oh, well you obviously haven't been keeping up on the trial'....um...that doesn't seem to be the case for Juror B37's mind.

"JUROR: Right. Because of the heat of the moment and the Stand Your Ground. He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right."

Why mention it...if SYG is not supposed to play apart at all? Just sayin'.

 

[wanamingo]

Well SYG did play a part GZ defense told the jury to take it into account. And if you remember correctly the original hoopla was about the fact he wasnt taken into custody for several weeks.... because of SYG.

The defense didnt invoke it because it would have led to a sh*tstorm of precedent.

 

[Beachnative]

Im not even sure what you are saying.... The fact he didnt call the cops means what to you exactly?

It also goes against the narrative you give in other threads. Why call the cops when TM is more than in the right to defend himself (Again assuming we heard more than GZ side)? So if Im being followed I have to call the cops, I cant confront the potential attacker?

Hmm... one guy is out with candy and a drink the other is out with a gun, who do you think is looking for a fight?

The one who threw the first punch?

Remember, you can say whatever you want to someone. You can even follow them around. You just can't touch them.

Once again, you and others seem to want to excuse thug behavior. I shun it and refuse to excuse it as "oh, he's just being a typical 17 year old."

You are making assumptions based on what was told at the trial not what really happened. The prosecton's witnesses were horrible along with his performance. The old saying a good prosecutor could convict a ham sandwich does not apply to him... personally I thing both were to blame.
GZ for a myriad of reasons including not listening to the dispatcher, having the hero mentality, not abiding by the HOA rules for carrying a CW and TM for trersspassing and probably being confrontational.
GZ was trained by a MMA professional and was probably trying to be a tough guy instead, it was him that got his ass beat by a 17 year old, had to use a gun to stop his aggressor and by his own admission was the crying bitch on the tape.........can you say p^ssy?

I know there are three sides of truth in this case, GZ's, TM's parents and the real truth. It was a bad sequence of events that we all must accept depite what we believe and/or what the court has ruled.

Sick of beating this dead horse.

I'm making assumptions? Really? I'm drawing conclusions and assumptoins based on the evidence. You're the one making assumptions about Zimmerman's behavior based on nothing.

Again, you guys seem to want to excuse thug behavior. I think it should be confronted, shunned, and shamed all week and twice on Sunday.

Look, here's some thugs.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22926770/video-flash-mob-robbery-at-dc-convenience-store#axzz2a3EMV000

I suppose you would excuse them as just being typical 17 year teenagers. Let them have their Friday night fun, right?

You made assumptions based on TM's text messages, remember? You seem to think that every 17 year old would have made the right decision at the right time as long as they don't wear a hoodiie, smoke pot or impose the thug look. You are dead wrong, they are minors under the law, why? Because of their inability to make decisions for themselves, heck look what adults do. Look at Rush Limbaugh, media Mogul and hypocrit.....

I'm not giving TM a free pass but I sure as hell know that GZ was a wannabe hero, failed police training, trained for MMA and couldn't beat his way out of a wet paperbag, he doesn't get a pass either...

Two wrongs don't make a right!

If I call the police and the dispatcher says not to follow, out of respect I'll listen. GZ did not show respect for the law..........now you'll probably chime in and say something like it's not against the law, BFD, neither is farting in an elevator! Someone died because of his lack of respect for the law....

Wow! It seems your argument has come down to, "George the wannabe hero should not have been such a **** and fought harder and better than Trayvon." Got it.

As a concealed carry permit holder and someone who carries and has carried for almost 15 years I can tell you emphatically, the last thing you want to do when carrying is get into a hand to hand, MMA style fistfight. If he has any sort of training and it sounds like he does, he would not have started a fist fight with TM.

If you want to continue to excuse the thug life go right ahead. I hope it doesn't consume you one day. I for one will publicly shun and condemn it, and yes that includes the idiotic looking bling bling grill. It is destroying generations of young people of ALL colors, creed, and background.

Using your logic Trayvon Martins past is fair game but George Zimmermans isn't, what do you call that? I call it hypocrisy.

Two wrongs don't make a right....

Read this: http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/25/justice/zimmerman-juror-b29-interview/


"The juror, who used only her first name of Maddy out of concerns for her safety, told ABC that she and others on the panel felt Zimmerman was guilty, but that wasn't enough.

"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty," she said. "But we had to grab our hearts and put it aside and look at the evidence."
A friend that is a lawyer said the jurors are not beig told the full truth in the meaning of "reasonable doubt " saying the defense sold "fleeting doubt" and the jurors bought it.

 

[wanamingo]

Yeah right I mean TM was arrested 3 times once for domestic assault resisting an officer with violence and speeding, with a record like that no wonder he was being profiled.... Oh wait thats George Zimmerman.....

The unarmed shooting of a minor should go to court....

 

[wanamingo]

Still more of a record than an unarmed 17 year old.

Yup, you're right. Crazy, racist, white, homo cracka Zimmerman. How much have you changed in the past 7 years mingo and beachnative?

How much would TM have changed in 7 years?

Side Note: I hate the way the site embeds quotes....

 

[Beachnative]

Yeah right I mean TM was arrested 3 times once for domestic assault resisting an officer with violence and speeding, with a record like that no wonder he was being profiled.... Oh wait thats George Zimmerman.....

The unarmed shooting of a minor should go to court....

Oh yeah, real hardened criminal there.


In 2005, Zimmerman, then 20, was arrested and charged with “resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence” and then waived when he entered an alcohol education program. Contemporaneous accounts indicate he shoved an officer who was questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking at an Orange County bar.

In August 2005, Zimmerman’s ex-fiancee, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman counterfiled for a restraining order against Zuazo. The competing claims were resolved with both restraining orders being granted.

In December 2006, Zimmerman was charged with speeding. The case was dismissed when the officer failed to show up in court.

Yup, you're right. Crazy, racist, white, homo cracka Zimmerman. How much have you changed in the past 7 years mingo and beachnative?

Ahhh so you want to change the game ot suit your beliefs, selective processing... got it. But fails, why? Psychologists can look back to childhood anaomolies for mass murders that paint a picture of how they got to where they are. Are you saying they are wrong?

 

[aford10]

Yeah right I mean TM was arrested 3 times once for domestic assault resisting an officer with violence and speeding, with a record like that no wonder he was being profiled.... Oh wait thats George Zimmerman.....

The unarmed shooting of a minor should go to court....

The minor wasn't unarmed if he was using his fists and the concrete as weapons. I've personally seen a few cases, where fists were considered deadly weapons (the same category as a gun). The fact of the matter, is just because he didn't have a gun or knife, doesn't mean he wasn't armed and able to attack with deadly force. And that is all that's needed to shoot someone in self defense.

 

[aford10]

I'm right there with you on that.

GZ probably put himself in a bad situation unnecessarily (legally), but I have no doubt his actions were justified by the reaction of TM.

 

[riser]

Yeah right I mean TM was arrested 3 times once for domestic assault resisting an officer with violence and speeding, with a record like that no wonder he was being profiled.... Oh wait thats George Zimmerman.....

The unarmed shooting of a minor should go to court....

17: The age of the youngest Navy Seal.
17: Wilfred Benitez was the world champion boxer.
17: Age at which you can join the military

The prosecution and media played up the minor stuff too much. He wasn't a 13 year old minor, he was a near adult capable of much more than a minor. Again, this is a legal term, but at 17, people are very capable, much more so than a year or two earlier.

 

[riser]

Yeah right I mean TM was arrested 3 times once for domestic assault resisting an officer with violence and speeding, with a record like that no wonder he was being profiled.... Oh wait thats George Zimmerman.....

The unarmed shooting of a minor should go to court....

The minor wasn't unarmed if he was using his fists and the concrete as weapons. I've personally seen a few cases, where fists were considered deadly weapons (the same category as a gun). The fact of the matter, is just because he didn't have a gun or knife, doesn't mean he wasn't armed and able to attack with deadly force. And that is all that's needed to shoot someone in self defense.

Great point. Hitting the arms and legs of someone is considered non-lethal force. Hitting someone in the head or body can be considered lethal force.

 

[Beachnative]

Pulling a Zimmerman- When someone chooses not listening to police, harassing someone, getting your ass beat by a kid, then pulling a gun because oyu are too much of a ****, killing a kid then claiming you were being harassed and getting away with it.

AKA 100% wimp!

"The minor wasn't unarmed if he was using his fists and the concrete as weapons. I've personally seen a few cases, where fists were considered deadly weapons (the same category as a gun). The fact of the matter, is just because he didn't have a gun or knife, doesn't mean he wasn't armed and able to attack with deadly force. And that is all that's needed to shoot someone in self defense."

Zimmerman was training with an MMA trainer and still got his ass beat, 100% wimp!

 

[Beachnative]

Im not even sure what you are saying.... The fact he didnt call the cops means what to you exactly?

It also goes against the narrative you give in other threads. Why call the cops when TM is more than in the right to defend himself (Again assuming we heard more than GZ side)? So if Im being followed I have to call the cops, I cant confront the potential attacker?

Hmm... one guy is out with candy and a drink the other is out with a gun, who do you think is looking for a fight?

The one who threw the first punch?

Remember, you can say whatever you want to someone. You can even follow them around. You just can't touch them.

Once again, you and others seem to want to excuse thug behavior. I shun it and refuse to excuse it as "oh, he's just being a typical 17 year old."

You are making assumptions based on what was told at the trial not what really happened. The prosecton's witnesses were horrible along with his performance. The old saying a good prosecutor could convict a ham sandwich does not apply to him... personally I thing both were to blame.
GZ for a myriad of reasons including not listening to the dispatcher, having the hero mentality, not abiding by the HOA rules for carrying a CW and TM for trersspassing and probably being confrontational.
GZ was trained by a MMA professional and was probably trying to be a tough guy instead, it was him that got his ass beat by a 17 year old, had to use a gun to stop his aggressor and by his own admission was the crying bitch on the tape.........can you say p^ssy?

I know there are three sides of truth in this case, GZ's, TM's parents and the real truth. It was a bad sequence of events that we all must accept depite what we believe and/or what the court has ruled.

Sick of beating this dead horse.

I'm making assumptions? Really? I'm drawing conclusions and assumptoins based on the evidence. You're the one making assumptions about Zimmerman's behavior based on nothing.

Again, you guys seem to want to excuse thug behavior. I think it should be confronted, shunned, and shamed all week and twice on Sunday.

Look, here's some thugs.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22926770/video-flash-mob-robbery-at-dc-convenience-store#axzz2a3EMV000

I suppose you would excuse them as just being typical 17 year teenagers. Let them have their Friday night fun, right?

You made assumptions based on TM's text messages, remember? You seem to think that every 17 year old would have made the right decision at the right time as long as they don't wear a hoodiie, smoke pot or impose the thug look. You are dead wrong, they are minors under the law, why? Because of their inability to make decisions for themselves, heck look what adults do. Look at Rush Limbaugh, media Mogul and hypocrit.....

I'm not giving TM a free pass but I sure as hell know that GZ was a wannabe hero, failed police training, trained for MMA and couldn't beat his way out of a wet paperbag, he doesn't get a pass either...

Two wrongs don't make a right!

If I call the police and the dispatcher says not to follow, out of respect I'll listen. GZ did not show respect for the law..........now you'll probably chime in and say something like it's not against the law, BFD, neither is farting in an elevator! Someone died because of his lack of respect for the law....

Wow! It seems your argument has come down to, "George the wannabe hero should not have been such a **** and fought harder and better than Trayvon." Got it.

As a concealed carry permit holder and someone who carries and has carried for almost 15 years I can tell you emphatically, the last thing you want to do when carrying is get into a hand to hand, MMA style fistfight. If he has any sort of training and it sounds like he does, he would not have started a fist fight with TM.

If you want to continue to excuse the thug life go right ahead. I hope it doesn't consume you one day. I for one will publicly shun and condemn it, and yes that includes the idiotic looking bling bling grill. It is destroying generations of young people of ALL colors, creed, and background.

Mark Zuckerberg wears a hoodie but rides in a limo,,,, so the lim is the only thing separating him from being a thug? Got it, nice logic. Next you will point to TM's pictures or text, GZ couldn't have known that so he had already past judgement on TM. Also, wimp ass had a gun, why didn't he pull it out first when confronting TM?

 

[wanamingo]

What a great police state argument you guys are making.

WATCH OUT! he HAS BOTH HANDS OUT OF HIS POCKETS! HE COMING RIGHT AT US!

Or just take body shots... and thats somehow legal? So what you are really saying is if TM punched him everywhere besides the head he would have been in the clear?

Thanks aford10. They don't seem to grasp this concept. I keep asking if they've seen the pictures of Zimmerman's face. If they only watch the lame stream media they probably haven't. Explains a lot.

Dude, you have been arguing with two people and you know I dont watch the news, stop regurgitating that insult.

 

[riser]

Pulling a Zimmerman- When someone chooses not listening to police, harassing someone, getting your ass beat by a kid, then pulling a gun because oyu are too much of a pussy, killing a kid then claiming you were being harassed and getting away with it.

AKA 100% wimp!

"The minor wasn't unarmed if he was using his fists and the concrete as weapons. I've personally seen a few cases, where fists were considered deadly weapons (the same category as a gun). The fact of the matter, is just because he didn't have a gun or knife, doesn't mean he wasn't armed and able to attack with deadly force. And that is all that's needed to shoot someone in self defense."

Zimmerman was training with an MMA trainer and still got his ass beat, 100% wimp!

Per Zimmerman's trainer, he was in there to lose weight because he was out of shape and didn't know how to fight at all. I believe the trainer even ranked him a -2 in fighting ability.

Per Zimmerman's statement to the 911 officer he was speaking with, he left his vehicle to get the address for the police to come to. He left his vehicle to see where TM went, but when told by police he didn't need to follow, he said he was going to get an address. This is all voice recorded. He gave the address, hung up the phone and was attacked within a minute after that.
The wimpy kid thing works though. It doesn't matter what we know now, it matters what Zimmerman thought at the time. If I had a gun on me, legally, and someone attacked me, I don't know how far someone else is willing to go.

Let me ask you this. If Zimmerman was knocked unconscious, TM took his gun and shot him to death with it, would it be a news article? Man with gun fails to defend himself and is shot. It would be a whole new guns right argument that people shouldn't have guns because they're not trained to properly defend themselves.

 

[Beachnative]

Pulling a Zimmerman- When someone chooses not listening to police, harassing someone, getting your ass beat by a kid, then pulling a gun because oyu are too much of a pussy, killing a kid then claiming you were being harassed and getting away with it.

AKA 100% wimp!

"The minor wasn't unarmed if he was using his fists and the concrete as weapons. I've personally seen a few cases, where fists were considered deadly weapons (the same category as a gun). The fact of the matter, is just because he didn't have a gun or knife, doesn't mean he wasn't armed and able to attack with deadly force. And that is all that's needed to shoot someone in self defense."

Zimmerman was training with an MMA trainer and still got his ass beat, 100% wimp!

Per Zimmerman's trainer, he was in there to lose weight because he was out of shape and didn't know how to fight at all. I believe the trainer even ranked him a -2 in fighting ability.

Per Zimmerman's statement to the 911 officer he was speaking with, he left his vehicle to get the address for the police to come to. He left his vehicle to see where TM went, but when told by police he didn't need to follow, he said he was going to get an address. This is all voice recorded. He gave the address, hung up the phone and was attacked within a minute after that.
The wimpy kid thing works though. It doesn't matter what we know now, it matters what Zimmerman thought at the time. If I had a gun on me, legally, and someone attacked me, I don't know how far someone else is willing to go.

Let me ask you this. If Zimmerman was knocked unconscious, TM took his gun and shot him to death with it, would it be a news article? Man with gun fails to defend himself and is shot. It would be a whole new guns right argument that people shouldn't have guns because they're not trained to properly defend themselves.

GZ trainer ranked him on a scale of 1 to 10 a .5 ............................................................................................ regardless the outcome of the trial is what we ALL must accept.
Even the juror that said GZ was guilty of murder yet found him innocent said there was not enough evidence to convict him......

 

[riser]

Guilty.. guilty of what though? Murder? No by text book law. Yes, he did kill Trayvon. It could go 50/50 that Trayvon could have walked away if Zimmerman pulled the gun but didn't fire. Or it could have gone the way it went. Or Trayvon could have taken the gun, etc.

Guilty of what is the question. Poor judgement? Sure. Guilty of something not on the books.

Mind you, if he had not shot Trayvon, it wouldn't even be a case. If he had shot Trayvon and he lived, I would argue that Zimmerman would still be Not Guilty based on physical damage to him from Trayvon who appeared to be untouched.

Hindsight is 20/20 but what matters if what happened that night, not afterwards.