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I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:

Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an
ATI 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it
then.

Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might
control this but can not find anything.

Any help?
 
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)

You may try enabling cleartype in XP....It is made for flatpanel LCD
displays etc.

From XP Help....


"Open Display in Control Panel.
On the Appearance tab, click Effects.
In the Effects dialog box, select the Use the following method to
smooth edges of screen fonts check box.
Click ClearType in the list. "
Notes

"To open Display, click Start, click Control Panel, and then
double-click Display.
ClearType is ideal for portable computer and other flat screen
monitors. ClearType may appear slightly blurry on desktop computer
monitors.
Whether you select Standard or ClearType from the list, you must have
a video card and monitor that support a color setting of at least 256
colors. Best results are achieved with High color (24-bit) or Highest
color (32-bit) support. Click the Settings tab to set Color quality."




On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:52:07 GMT, Thomas Gill <thomasgill@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>
>Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
>displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an
>ATI 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it
>then.
>
>Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might
>control this but can not find anything.
>
>Any help?
 
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Heywood wrote:
> You may try enabling cleartype in XP....It is made for flatpanel LCD
> displays etc.
>
> From XP Help....
>

thanks ... I have cleartype enabled and the highest res supported by
card/LCD ( 1280x1024 ). I have tested monitor with test-pattern
generator and non-text displays flawlessly ... ghosting only appears
with text display leading me to suspect problem is with the way it is
being rendered in XP.
 
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"Thomas Gill" <thomasgill@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>
> Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
> displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an
> ATI 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it
> then.
>
> Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might
> control this but can not find anything.

Cheap video cable. Is it analog or DVI?

Do you have the resolution set to the NATIVE resolution of the LCD monitor?
 
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Thomas Gill wrote:
> I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>
> Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
> displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an
> ATI 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice
> it then.
>
> Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might
> control this but can not find anything.

Try this for change:

Go to system properties (right-click 'my computer'-icon for instance)
Go to the tab 'Advanced'
In the box 'performance' click 'Settings'-button
At visual effects select 'Adjust for best performance'

Yes, windows will look like windows 95 🙂 But, there is some setting there
that makes the letters unclear on some displays. If the text is clear now,
you can re-enable the visual things until you see what is causing the
problem.

Good luck, hope this works.

Thomas.
 
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Taking a moment's reflection, Thomas Gill mused:
|
| thanks ... I have cleartype enabled and the highest res supported by
| card/LCD ( 1280x1024 ). I have tested monitor with test-pattern
| generator and non-text displays flawlessly ... ghosting only appears
| with text display leading me to suspect problem is with the way it is
| being rendered in XP.

Do you see this on all text in all apps, or just desktop/window icon
labels?
 
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mhicaoidh wrote:
> Taking a moment's reflection, Thomas Gill mused:
> |
> | thanks ... I have cleartype enabled and the highest res supported by
> | card/LCD ( 1280x1024 ). I have tested monitor with test-pattern
> | generator and non-text displays flawlessly ... ghosting only appears
> | with text display leading me to suspect problem is with the way it is
> | being rendered in XP.
>
> Do you see this on all text in all apps, or just desktop/window icon
> labels?
>
>

Yes, the text ghosts in all Win apps. Other elements however, such as
borders and graphics will display cleanly.
 
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Noozer wrote:
> "Thomas Gill" <thomasgill@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:He1Ad.600767$%k.385757@pd7tw2no...
>
>>I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>>
>>Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
>>displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an
>>ATI 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it
>>then.
>>
>>Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might
>>control this but can not find anything.
>
>
> Cheap video cable. Is it analog or DVI?
>
> Do you have the resolution set to the NATIVE resolution of the LCD monitor?
>
>


cable is analog though monitor is digital-capable. Not sure what NATIVE
resloution is ... am running at max supported by both monitor and 9200
card: 1280 x 1024
 
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)

> Try this for change:
>
> Go to system properties (right-click 'my computer'-icon for instance)
> Go to the tab 'Advanced'
> In the box 'performance' click 'Settings'-button
> At visual effects select 'Adjust for best performance'
>
> Yes, windows will look like windows 95 🙂 But, there is some setting there
> that makes the letters unclear on some displays. If the text is clear now,
> you can re-enable the visual things until you see what is causing the
> problem.
>
> Good luck, hope this works.
>
> Thomas.
>
>


Thanks ... good tip here ... these were the settings I was looking for.
Have disabled all effects but still does not make a difference. Maybe
will just have to live with it. Text also seems to ghost in Linux Gnome
environment. Think I will compare with other monitors to see if this
effect is common to all.
 
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:38:52 -0800, Heywood <> wrote:

>You may try enabling cleartype in XP....It is made for flatpanel LCD
>displays etc.
>
>From XP Help....
>
>
>"Open Display in Control Panel.
>On the Appearance tab, click Effects.
>In the Effects dialog box, select the Use the following method to
>smooth edges of screen fonts check box.
>Click ClearType in the list. "
> Notes
>
>"To open Display, click Start, click Control Panel, and then
>double-click Display.
>ClearType is ideal for portable computer and other flat screen
>monitors. ClearType may appear slightly blurry on desktop computer
>monitors.
>Whether you select Standard or ClearType from the list, you must have
>a video card and monitor that support a color setting of at least 256
>colors. Best results are achieved with High color (24-bit) or Highest
>color (32-bit) support. Click the Settings tab to set Color quality."
>

After following these instuctions check out this M$ site to fine tune
it.

http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/1.htm?fname=%20&fsize=

Pluvious


>
>On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:52:07 GMT, Thomas Gill <thomasgill@shaw.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>>
>>Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
>>displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an
>>ATI 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it
>>then.
>>
>>Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might
>>control this but can not find anything.
>>
>>Any help?
 
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Pluvious wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:38:52 -0800, Heywood <> wrote:
>
>
>>You may try enabling cleartype in XP....It is made for flatpanel LCD
>>displays etc.
>>
>
>>From XP Help....
>
>>
>>"Open Display in Control Panel.
>>On the Appearance tab, click Effects.
>>In the Effects dialog box, select the Use the following method to
>>smooth edges of screen fonts check box.
>>Click ClearType in the list. "
>>Notes
>>
>>"To open Display, click Start, click Control Panel, and then
>>double-click Display.
>>ClearType is ideal for portable computer and other flat screen
>>monitors. ClearType may appear slightly blurry on desktop computer
>>monitors.
>>Whether you select Standard or ClearType from the list, you must have
>>a video card and monitor that support a color setting of at least 256
>>colors. Best results are achieved with High color (24-bit) or Highest
>>color (32-bit) support. Click the Settings tab to set Color quality."
>>
>
>
> After following these instuctions check out this M$ site to fine tune
> it.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/1.htm?fname=%20&fsize=
>
> Pluvious
>

Thanks for the link ... ran it and improved the look of the type but
ghosting persists.
 
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Thomas
How about your LCD monitor settings ? On your LCD monitor MENU if you have a
Phase and or Clock adjustment try them. I have found that the Phase
adjustment can crisp up the text quite a bit on LCD monitors. The Auto
button does not always do the best job in adjusting the settings of a LCD
monitor.
Rich
"Thomas Gill" <thomasgill@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:He1Ad.600767$%k.385757@pd7tw2no...
>I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>
> Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
> displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an ATI
> 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it then.
>
> Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might control
> this but can not find anything.
>
> Any help?
 
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"Thomas Gill" <thomasgill@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:3ujAd.601963$nl.85057@pd7tw3no...
> Noozer wrote:
>> "Thomas Gill" <thomasgill@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:He1Ad.600767$%k.385757@pd7tw2no...
>>
>>>I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>>>
>>>Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
>>>displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an
>>>ATI 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it
>>>then.
>>>
>>>Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might
>>>control this but can not find anything.
>>
>>
>> Cheap video cable. Is it analog or DVI?
>>
>> Do you have the resolution set to the NATIVE resolution of the LCD
>> monitor?
>>
>>
>
>
> cable is analog though monitor is digital-capable. Not sure what NATIVE
> resloution is ... am running at max supported by both monitor and 9200
> card: 1280 x 1024

Pity your ATI 9200 doesn't have a DVI output or you could try using that to
connect the monitor. DVI connections normally improve such defects and also
provide better/more stable screen positioning in my experience.

Do you have a DVI connector equipped VGA card you could test it out with, or
perhaps another PC with a DVI connector that you could temporarily hook the
monitor up to for testing?

Paul
 
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:50:06 GMT, Thomas Gill <thomasgill@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>Pluvious wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:38:52 -0800, Heywood <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You may try enabling cleartype in XP....It is made for flatpanel LCD
>>>displays etc.
>>>
>>
>>>From XP Help....
>>
>>>
>>>"Open Display in Control Panel.
>>>On the Appearance tab, click Effects.
>>>In the Effects dialog box, select the Use the following method to
>>>smooth edges of screen fonts check box.
>>>Click ClearType in the list. "
>>>Notes
>>>
>>>"To open Display, click Start, click Control Panel, and then
>>>double-click Display.
>>>ClearType is ideal for portable computer and other flat screen
>>>monitors. ClearType may appear slightly blurry on desktop computer
>>>monitors.
>>>Whether you select Standard or ClearType from the list, you must have
>>>a video card and monitor that support a color setting of at least 256
>>>colors. Best results are achieved with High color (24-bit) or Highest
>>>color (32-bit) support. Click the Settings tab to set Color quality."
>>>
>>
>>
>> After following these instuctions check out this M$ site to fine tune
>> it.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/1.htm?fname=%20&fsize=
>>
>> Pluvious
>>
>
>Thanks for the link ... ran it and improved the look of the type but
>ghosting persists.

Bad news then.. sounds more serious then some software fix. 🙁

Pluvious
 
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"Thomas Gill" <thomasgill@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:He1Ad.600767$%k.385757@pd7tw2no...
>I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>
> Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
> displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an ATI
> 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it then.
>
> Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might control
> this but can not find anything.
>
> Any help?

Sounds like the phasing setup on the LCD, if as you say none of the XP
suggestions have fixed it. Try adjusting that, or resetting the LCD to
defaults, or is there an auto adjust?


H
 
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> Do you have a DVI connector equipped VGA card you could test it out with, or
> perhaps another PC with a DVI connector that you could temporarily hook the
> monitor up to for testing?
>
> Paul
>
>

Nope ... no DVI video card to test. I suppose the ghosting is something
I can live with. Overall the display quality is still better than my 19"
CRT.

thomas
 
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Rich Elgin wrote:
> Thomas
> How about your LCD monitor settings ? On your LCD monitor MENU if you have a
> Phase and or Clock adjustment try them. I have found that the Phase
> adjustment can crisp up the text quite a bit on LCD monitors. The Auto
> button does not always do the best job in adjusting the settings of a LCD
> monitor.
> Rich
> "Thomas Gill" <thomasgill@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:He1Ad.600767$%k.385757@pd7tw2no...
>
>>I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>>
>>Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
>>displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an ATI
>>9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it then.
>>
>>Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might control
>>this but can not find anything.
>>
>>Any help?
>
>
>


Success! Adjusting the 'sharpness' control proved to be the solution ...
ghosting eliminated. Thanks Rich for the suggestion to look at the LCD
settings ... don't know why I didn't think to look there first.
 
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Heckler ²°°³ wrote:
> "Thomas Gill" <thomasgill@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:He1Ad.600767$%k.385757@pd7tw2no...
>
>>I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>>
>>Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
>>displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an ATI
>>9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it then.
>>
>>Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might control
>>this but can not find anything.
>>
>>Any help?
>
>
> Sounds like the phasing setup on the LCD, if as you say none of the XP
> suggestions have fixed it. Try adjusting that, or resetting the LCD to
> defaults, or is there an auto adjust?
>
>
> H
>
>

Thanks for reply ... problem solved ... see previous.
 
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Yep, sure sign the monitor is on its last legs, or there may be interference
because of a damaged video cable, or a cheap video cable.

JK

"Pluvious" <Pluvious@knowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ss14t0902fsvval5antbr4fclndn8f1fif@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 21:50:06 GMT, Thomas Gill <thomasgill@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Pluvious wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:38:52 -0800, Heywood <> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>You may try enabling cleartype in XP....It is made for flatpanel LCD
>>>>displays etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>>>From XP Help....
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Open Display in Control Panel.
>>>>On the Appearance tab, click Effects.
>>>>In the Effects dialog box, select the Use the following method to
>>>>smooth edges of screen fonts check box.
>>>>Click ClearType in the list. "
>>>>Notes
>>>>
>>>>"To open Display, click Start, click Control Panel, and then
>>>>double-click Display.
>>>>ClearType is ideal for portable computer and other flat screen
>>>>monitors. ClearType may appear slightly blurry on desktop computer
>>>>monitors.
>>>>Whether you select Standard or ClearType from the list, you must have
>>>>a video card and monitor that support a color setting of at least 256
>>>>colors. Best results are achieved with High color (24-bit) or Highest
>>>>color (32-bit) support. Click the Settings tab to set Color quality."
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After following these instuctions check out this M$ site to fine tune
>>> it.
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/1.htm?fname=%20&fsize=
>>>
>>> Pluvious
>>>
>>
>>Thanks for the link ... ran it and improved the look of the type but
>>ghosting persists.
>
> Bad news then.. sounds more serious then some software fix. 🙁
>
> Pluvious
>
>
 
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If someone has a web site, I can make available a test pattern generator
program for analog LCD adjustment that can legally be distrubed as
freeware. I don't want to E-Mail it to dozens or hundreds of people,
but it can be posted for download. The program is not one that I wrote,
but it's one that I know can be distributed. It's a very old program, a
Windows 3.1 program written in visual basic, but it still works very
well. It's installation is unobtrusive, it makes not registry entries
or system changes at all.


Thomas Gill wrote:

> I am maybe in the wrong forum for this question but here it is:
>
> Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text is
> displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card is an
> ATI 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't notice it
> then.
>
> Have looked for display settings in XP and the ATI s/w that might
> control this but can not find anything.
>
> Any help?
 
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This is subjective, but in my opinion, and the opinion of lots of
others, cleartype makes things worse, not better.

Also, you do need to run at the native resolution of the LCD panel.
That is absolutely critical. However, lowering the refresh rate (to
60Hz instead of 70Hz) may help ghosting problems, as it lowers the
frequency and rise-times of the pulses, and reduces the severity of
transmission line issues.


Thomas Gill wrote:

> Heywood wrote:
>
>> You may try enabling cleartype in XP....It is made for flatpanel LCD
>> displays etc.
>>
>> From XP Help....
>>
>
> thanks ... I have cleartype enabled and the highest res supported by
> card/LCD ( 1280x1024 ). I have tested monitor with test-pattern
> generator and non-text displays flawlessly ... ghosting only appears
> with text display leading me to suspect problem is with the way it is
> being rendered in XP.
 
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On 12/30/2004 7:20 AM Barry Watzman brightened our day with:

> If someone has a web site, I can make available a test pattern
> generator program for analog LCD adjustment that can legally be
> distrubed as freeware. I don't want to E-Mail it to dozens or
> hundreds of people,
> but it can be posted for download. The program is not one that I
> wrote, but it's one that I know can be distributed. It's a very old
> program, a Windows 3.1 program written in visual basic, but it still
> works very well. It's installation is unobtrusive, it makes not
> registry entries or system changes at all.
>
Do you have a program that will fix the red pixel in the upper left
corner of my screen? Perhaps I should buy one of those green lasers
people are pointing at airplanes and shoot it at the damned pixel for a
couple hours.
Maybe an ice pick might work?

--
Steve ¤»Inglo«¤
www.inglostadt.com
 
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.videocards.ati (More info?)

> Do you have a program that will fix the red pixel in the upper left
> corner of my screen? Perhaps I should buy one of those green lasers
> people are pointing at airplanes and shoot it at the damned pixel for a
> couple hours.
> Maybe an ice pick might work?

Dude, chill!... Just set your background to Ferrari red! That pixel will be
so GONE and the screen is, like, so cool... Just gotta find a Ferrari logo
to put on the START button!

: )
 
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Try a different, high quality, video cable

"Thomas Gill" <thomasgill@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:He1Ad.600767$%k.385757@pd7tw2no...
> Have just purchased a new 17" LCD monitor and notice that all text
> is displayed with ghosting to the left of the letter. My video card
> is an ATI 9200. Perhaps this was also there with my CRT but I didn't
> notice it then.
 
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